Microsoft doesn't recommend creating Vista "Lite" with vLite
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#1 Posted by ozgeek on 02 Feb 2008 - 11:16
- Very true. You strip what you THINK you won't need but what if a friend or you comes to need a specific program or tool that you cut in Windows? You are actually breaking Windows and causing more problems as you cut "useless" programs from Windows. No wonder sites such as Neowin are getting posts from people having problems with Vista after usage of these stripping programs.
I used to do Windows XP unattended installations but abandoned it as it caused me frustications more then it solved. The sole purpose of using such programs to strip components from Windows is to save hard drive space, but as hard drives gets larger, this is getting pointless.
If you do not want whatever came with Windows, that means you do not want Windows and should look at alternatives like Linux which have some small distros. -
#1.1 Posted by +Brandon Live on 02 Feb 2008 - 19:03
- (ozgeek said @ #1)Very true. You strip what you THINK you won't need but what if a friend or you comes to need a specific program or tool that you cut in Windows? You are actually breaking Windows and causing more problems as you cut "useless" programs from Windows. No wonder sites such as Neowin are getting posts from people having problems with Vista after usage of these stripping programs.
Or more likely, you delete SuchAndSuch.exe because you think, "I never run that. It's never in task manager. Why would I need that?"
Then you start complaining about Vista's reliability, app-compat, or performance, because you removed a vital COM server. -
#1.2 Posted by toadeater on 03 Feb 2008 - 00:00
- (ozgeek said @ #1)Very true. You strip what you THINK you won't need but what if a friend or you comes to need a specific program or tool that you cut in Windows?
You can install it later if something that unlikely could ever possibly happen. Which it won't. Ever.
MS continues to treat us all like idiots. The problem isn't removing components, it is that MS has designed Windows in such a way that it is a house of cards. The design of Windows is critically flawed. This was no accident, it was done so that the DoJ couldn't force MS to remove components and services that were deemed in violation of the antitrust settlement. Not just the DoJ, but the EU courts as well.
Windows 7 seems to be the first real attempt by MS to fix what it has been doing wrong all these years. I think MS is giving up on the idea that it can control the internet through Windows. -
#1.3 Posted by kaiwai on 03 Feb 2008 - 02:53
- (toadeater said @ #1.2)(ozgeek said @ #1)Very true. You strip what you THINK you won't need but what if a friend or you comes to need a specific program or tool that you cut in Windows?
You can install it later if something that unlikely could ever possibly happen. Which it won't. Ever.
MS continues to treat us all like idiots. The problem isn't removing components, it is that MS has designed Windows in such a way that it is a house of cards. The design of Windows is critically flawed. This was no accident, it was done so that the DoJ couldn't force MS to remove components and services that were deemed in violation of the antitrust settlement. Not just the DoJ, but the EU courts as well.
Windows 7 seems to be the first real attempt by MS to fix what it has been doing wrong all these years. I think MS is giving up on the idea that it can control the internet through Windows.
You do realise that even in Linux, Mac OS X and UNIX in general, there are components you cannot remove because they are vital? Yes, there is far too much interdependence in Windows, but even if they modularise the whole thing from top to bottom, you'll still have components that must stay. -
#1.4 Posted by Kushan on 03 Feb 2008 - 03:25
- (toadeater said @ #1.2)(ozgeek said @ #1)Very true. You strip what you THINK you won't need but what if a friend or you comes to need a specific program or tool that you cut in Windows?
You can install it later if something that unlikely could ever possibly happen. Which it won't. Ever.
MS continues to treat us all like idiots. The problem isn't removing components, it is that MS has designed Windows in such a way that it is a house of cards. The design of Windows is critically flawed. This was no accident, it was done so that the DoJ couldn't force MS to remove components and services that were deemed in violation of the antitrust settlement. Not just the DoJ, but the EU courts as well.
Windows 7 seems to be the first real attempt by MS to fix what it has been doing wrong all these years. I think MS is giving up on the idea that it can control the internet through Windows.
It's pretty obvious you have no idea how Windows (or even major programs in general) are designed. It's a completely modular system, with various bits and pieces plugged in together that for the most part work separately, with the Kernel communicating between them if they need to interact. Yes, some parts rely on others, but it's hardly a "house of cards" scenario.
Microsoft is simply covering their backs here. You can use vLite to remove a lot of crap you don't need, but if you're not careful you could easily cripple your installation. Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has to test every single update against a wide variety of configurations, they're not going to test them against installations that have had components removed and should an update break an installation because of this, it's entirely your fault, not theirs.
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#2 Posted by Hum on 02 Feb 2008 - 11:28
- Really ??? I'm shocked ...
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#2.1 Posted by whocares78 on 04 Feb 2008 - 04:34
- +1
who ever woudl have thought MS woudl support a tool like this is out of their mind..
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#3 Posted by +tunafish on 02 Feb 2008 - 11:38
- i can see problems now, people will strip their windows using vlite then wonder why something wont install then blame ms
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#3.1 Posted by Chicane-UK on 02 Feb 2008 - 12:21
- I'd expect that most people smart enough to use vLite, or even know of its existence, would understand the implications of using such a tool and the effects that it might have on system dependencies, etc.
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#3.3 Posted by Deviate_X on 02 Feb 2008 - 12:50
- (Chicane-UK said @ #3.1)I'd expect that most people smart enough to use vLite, or even know of its existence, would understand the implications of using such a tool and the effects that it might have on system dependencies, etc.
If you were smart you would not use a program like vLite. Vista contains thousands of components whose dependancies are not widely known so, for example you won't be able to install SP1. -
#3.4 Posted by _dandy_ on 02 Feb 2008 - 14:38
- (Chicane-UK said @ #3.1)I'd expect that most people smart enough to use vLite, or even know of its existence, would understand the implications of using such a tool and the effects that it might have on system dependencies, etc.
You'd be surprised. There's an awful lot of people out there who know just enough to be a danger to themselves. -
#3.5 Posted by akav0id on 02 Feb 2008 - 14:42
- (Deviate_X said @ #3.3)(Chicane-UK said @ #3.1)I'd expect that most people smart enough to use vLite, or even know of its existence, would understand the implications of using such a tool and the effects that it might have on system dependencies, etc.
If you were smart you would not use a program like vLite. Vista contains thousands of components whose dependancies are not widely known so, for example you won't be able to install SP1.
If you were smart, you wouldn't be using Vista in the first place ;0 -
#3.6 Posted by sLm4ever on 02 Feb 2008 - 16:05
- if you were smart you'll know HOW to use vista ^^; ...
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and about people using vLite ... most of them are like (hmmm ... new free app ... let's DL it ... oh ... now my windows is smaller and working !! ... damn MS they make windows so big and useless !! ... I'm so l33t .. I'll go tell my friends) XD ... -
#3.7 Posted by Deviate_X on 02 Feb 2008 - 16:51
- (akav0id said @ #3.5)(Deviate_X said @ #3.3)(Chicane-UK said @ #3.1)I'd expect that most people smart enough to use vLite, or even know of its existence, would understand the implications of using such a tool and the effects that it might have on system dependencies, etc.
If you were smart you would not use a program like vLite. Vista contains thousands of components whose dependancies are not widely known so, for example you won't be able to install SP1.
If you were smart, you wouldn't be using Vista in the first place ;0
Really smart people make their own choices, based on real knowlege and not on idiots posting on stupid forums like slashdot and theregister. -
#3.8 Posted by Crysis Addict on 03 Feb 2008 - 06:05
- (akav0id said @ #3.5)(Deviate_X said @ #3.3)(Chicane-UK said @ #3.1)I'd expect that most people smart enough to use vLite, or even know of its existence, would understand the implications of using such a tool and the effects that it might have on system dependencies, etc.
If you were smart you would not use a program like vLite. Vista contains thousands of components whose dependancies are not widely known so, for example you won't be able to install SP1.
If you were smart, you wouldn't be using Vista in the first place ;0
PWNED!!!!!! -
#3.9 Posted by Deviate_X on 03 Feb 2008 - 18:46
- (Crysis Addict said @ #3.
(akav0id said @ #3.5)(Deviate_X said @ #3.3)(Chicane-UK said @ #3.1)I'd expect that most people smart enough to use vLite, or even know of its existence, would understand the implications of using such a tool and the effects that it might have on system dependencies, etc.
If you were smart you would not use a program like vLite. Vista contains thousands of components whose dependancies are not widely known so, for example you won't be able to install SP1.
If you were smart, you wouldn't be using Vista in the first place ;0
PWNED!!!!!!
retard
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#4 Posted by buzz99 on 02 Feb 2008 - 12:31
- Microsoft should have include such option when installing Vista. Not everybody needs all options in Ultimate, such as Media Center or Sidebar. Options to not install such gadgets would be great if ability to choose was built-in the OS setup routine.
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#4.1 Posted by MioTheGreat on 02 Feb 2008 - 18:48
- Then don't use those features.
They're just going to sit idle on the hard drive anyway. It's no loss to you other than the hard drive space, which is a virtually unlimitted resource these days. -
#4.2 Posted by Ledgem on 02 Feb 2008 - 20:51
- (MioTheGreat said @ #4.1)Then don't use those features.
They're just going to sit idle on the hard drive anyway. It's no loss to you other than the hard drive space, which is a virtually unlimitted resource these days.
You slightly missed the parent poster's point. He was saying that if a feature isn't going to be used, there should be an option to not install it at all. Having a ton of crap sitting around that you don't use it called bloat. Within the context of this article, there's gigabytes of bloat. And I always hate hearing the "HD space is virtually unlimited these days" - for one thing, it's not, and for another I'd rather be using the good majority of my HD space for storing my data and programs, not my operating system. -
#4.3 Posted by RealFduch on 02 Feb 2008 - 23:21
- Vista is not being "installed". It's being "unpacked". That's why it installs so fast. That's why they cannot let you manage components before the installation.
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#4.4 Posted by kaiwai on 03 Feb 2008 - 02:58
- (Ledgem said @ #4.2)(MioTheGreat said @ #4.1)Then don't use those features.
They're just going to sit idle on the hard drive anyway. It's no loss to you other than the hard drive space, which is a virtually unlimitted resource these days.
You slightly missed the parent poster's point. He was saying that if a feature isn't going to be used, there should be an option to not install it at all. Having a ton of crap sitting around that you don't use it called bloat. Within the context of this article, there's gigabytes of bloat. And I always hate hearing the "HD space is virtually unlimited these days" - for one thing, it's not, and for another I'd rather be using the good majority of my HD space for storing my data and programs, not my operating system.
True, what people also ignore is the fact that, sure, on the desktop you can get 750gb to 1tb drives, but in the mobile world, the maximum size out there IIRC is 320gb. Imagine if you have a 64gb SSD, you don't have alot of space to throw around. I have to admit though, all my stuff is saved on an external hard disk so the OS size doesn't matter to me. -
#4.5 Posted by whocares78 on 04 Feb 2008 - 04:35
- hahah then dont buy ultimate!!! you can get the basic version
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#5 Posted by cork1958 on 02 Feb 2008 - 12:40
- The "Lite" way is the ONLY to fly with Vista!! If you MUST use that POS, and I don't anymore!!
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#5.1 Posted by +TCLN Ryster on 02 Feb 2008 - 17:41
- Care to explain why you think it's a "POS" operating system? Or are you content with just being an anti-vista propaganda troll ?
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#5.2 Posted by P1R4T3 on 02 Feb 2008 - 18:43
- (TCLN Ryster said @ #5.1)Care to explain why you think it's a "POS" operating system? Or are you content with just being an anti-vista propaganda troll ?
I'd go with the troll option.
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#6 Posted by singularity0821 on 02 Feb 2008 - 12:41
- It's no surprise that Microsoft doesn't recommend it. Why should they recommend a tool that removes features they want the users to use?
I've used vLite before and it worked great until I wanted to try SP1. I'm not using the Media Center, the Sidebar, the support for Asian languages and so on - so why shouldn't I remove these features?
I will use vLite again when I'm able to create an image with SP1 included.
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#7 Posted by stgeorge on 02 Feb 2008 - 13:15
- This article should read:
"Microsoft does not recommend using any tool to strip out applications from Windows Vista prior to installing it on your system, as it may affect your ability to download future Windows updates and service packs, and may cause your system to become unstable", the company said in an e-mail to CNET News.com. "Microsoft has developed Vista to become unstable on its own without the help of third party products." -
#7.1 Posted by Mav Phoenix on 02 Feb 2008 - 13:21
- And your post should read "I'm a troll." Vista is very stable.
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#7.2 Posted by 7Dash8 on 02 Feb 2008 - 14:06
- (Mav Phoenix said @ #7.1)And your post should read "I'm a troll." Vista is very stable.
Shhhh.... let the stupid person have his giggle while he can. Won't be long before the ZOMG VISTA SUCKS!!111!! crowd have to swallow their idiotic comments and actually upgrade to Vista. Maybe then they might actually learn the truth. -
#7.3 Posted by OblivionStalker on 02 Feb 2008 - 14:44
- You should have mentioned:
PS: I am a noob.
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#8 Posted by Jugalator on 02 Feb 2008 - 14:29
- Microsoft also doesn't recommend hacking the system files to run third party visual styles.
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#9 Posted by jwjw1 on 02 Feb 2008 - 14:43
- I can understand Microsoft somewhat...but WTF do I need with 2gigs of 'chinese,korean' laungages when they offer laungage packs. In fact I believe MS intentionally prevented updateing SP1 with a vlite'd or any other method used to remove components, how else will they save face to the bloat added. As of now you can't even intergrate a Service Pack because they fear you will then vlite the bloat out.
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#9.1 Posted by Rudy on 02 Feb 2008 - 15:55
- they did, Windows XP could update just fine (I'm not sure about SP3 but Sp2 would work fine on an nLite installation)
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#9.2 Posted by RealFduch on 02 Feb 2008 - 23:12
- (jwjw1 said @ #1)I can understand Microsoft somewhat...but WTF do I need with 2gigs of 'chinese,korean' laungages when they offer laungage packs. In fact I believe MS intentionally prevented updateing SP1 with a vlite'd or any other method used to remove components, how else will they save face to the bloat added. As of now you can't even intergrate a Service Pack because they fear you will then vlite the bloat out.
Are you saying you can install korean Vista from US Vista DVD? How? -
#9.3 Posted by MioTheGreat on 03 Feb 2008 - 01:51
- I would imagine that the SP1 installer is a very complex piece of software engineering. Adding the additional complexity of an unknown state of the system is asking a great deal.
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#10 Posted by OblivionStalker on 02 Feb 2008 - 14:46
- Space is not the issue anymore, functionality is. And if these languages add functionality then why not have them?
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#10.1 Posted by jwjw1 on 02 Feb 2008 - 14:48
- i guess you need 'chinese' when you visit your pirate sites....lol...not me...I use Microsofts recommended 'Google Translations'
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#10.2 Posted by Ledgem on 02 Feb 2008 - 20:54
- (OblivionStalker said @ #10)Space is not the issue anymore, functionality is. And if these languages add functionality then why not have them?
Why isn't space an issue anymore? Are you paying for everyone else's hard drives? The day that happens, I'll agree with you. Until then, I'm glad you have so much space free. Not all of us do. Don't assume that your own situation fits the rest of us. -
#10.3 Posted by RealFduch on 02 Feb 2008 - 23:14
- (Ledgem said @ #10.2)(OblivionStalker said @ #10)Space is not the issue anymore, functionality is. And if these languages add functionality then why not have them?
Why isn't space an issue anymore? Are you paying for everyone else's hard drives? The day that happens, I'll agree with you. Until then, I'm glad you have so much space free. Not all of us do. Don't assume that your own situation fits the rest of us.
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#10.4 Posted by Ledgem on 02 Feb 2008 - 23:22
- (RealFduch said @ #10.3)If you can pay for Vista why can't you spend 1$ for 5 GB of space?
Maybe because Vista isn't exactly cheap? Why do people like to assume that if you buy something expensive you suddenly don't mind dropping the rest of your money? -
#10.5 Posted by RealFduch on 04 Feb 2008 - 00:05
- (Ledgem said @ #10.4)(RealFduch said @ #10.3)If you can pay for Vista why can't you spend 1$ for 5 GB of space?
Maybe because Vista isn't exactly cheap? Why do people like to assume that if you buy something expensive you suddenly don't mind dropping the rest of your money?
If 1$ is "the rest of your money" then... feel free to ask anyone for donation.
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#11 Posted by Foub on 02 Feb 2008 - 15:17
- I guess that they don't like it when someone else knows how to get rid of all of Vistas worthless bloat. Without the bloat Vista really isn't all that much to brag about when compared to other OSes, even the free ones. One truly has to feel sorry for those who are so easily impressed with shiny things and believe that all of Vista's bloat is a good thing. They are truly pathetic in their shallowness. They're even dumb enough to defend it.
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#12 Posted by Rudy on 02 Feb 2008 - 15:58
- Maybe people are using vLite to remove features that should have been removable during the installation (not everyone needs all the languages, Windows Defender, card games, etc etc). They use to let you remove SOME components in the 9x installation but they sadly stopped that.
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#13 Posted by hardgiant on 02 Feb 2008 - 16:00
- I have two versions of Vista install, one is the full version and the second is the vlite version. So far I have not needed to switch to the full version to install a update or run software. Everything is running well.
With SP1 I'm going to format and reinstall both.
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#14 Posted by Kreuger on 02 Feb 2008 - 16:10
- Of course they're going to say not to strip it down, you're removing all the extra crap they added
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#14.1 Posted by +TCLN Ryster on 02 Feb 2008 - 17:45
- Why? It's not like Microsoft lose anything from people running vlite... you already purchased all the stuff you are removing.
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#14.2 Posted by MioTheGreat on 02 Feb 2008 - 18:52
- (TCLN Ryster said @ #14.1)Why? It's not like Microsoft lose anything from people running vlite... you already purchased all the stuff you are removing.
It makes updates and service pack installs a crapshoot, which Microsoft invariably gets some blame for.
If you use these to remove part of something an update would patch, it may not install, leaving something else with an open vulnerability. It's just stupid. These things only eat up hard drive space if you don't use them, it's not like your machine is going to get any faster....And who knows if you'll be able to install SP1 if you've even touched vLite.
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#15 Posted by exotoxic on 02 Feb 2008 - 16:15
- The trouble is that it is getting more popular and more n00bs are using it.. vlite is NOT for n00bs if you know what components do and you understand what effect removing them will have then everything will run fine
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#16 Posted by Neo-Lenin on 02 Feb 2008 - 16:21
- If you want a "stripped down" version of Vista... use Basic! It will be cheaper too .... im quite happy with ALL the features that Vista Business has to offer!
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#18 Posted by mel00 on 02 Feb 2008 - 17:09
- Microsoft could kiss my ass..
because vlite give me the power remove all bloat crap is included in vista.. matter fact from 2gig of vista crap brought it down to 900mb image r.. Installing vista with my create lite version only take 30 mins to install.. less crap running in the background and extra space and memory free... There a lot stuff microsoft included in vista is not needed seriously like 700mb of printers driver if I remember correctly.. I remove windows search,index, languages, etc... kept aero, wmp, basic stuff. and work fine with windows update.
between, people claim if strip **** mess up Vista if you know which services and crucial part of Vista not remove you won't get problem... so if you don't know what you doing don't use the damn program period.
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#18.1 Posted by MioTheGreat on 02 Feb 2008 - 18:52
- You won't be able to install SP1 without a reformat.
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#18.2 Posted by +Brandon Live on 02 Feb 2008 - 18:58
- (mel00 said @ #1Microsoft could kiss my ass..
because vlite give me the power remove all bloat crap is included in vista.. matter fact from 2gig of vista crap brought it down to 900mb image r.. Installing vista with my create lite version only take 30 mins to install.. less crap running in the background and extra space and memory free... There a lot stuff microsoft included in vista is not needed seriously like 700mb of printers driver if I remember correctly.. I remove windows search,index, languages, etc... kept aero, wmp, basic stuff. and work fine with windows update.
between, people claim if strip **** mess up Vista if you know which services and crucial part of Vista not remove you won't get problem... so if you don't know what you doing don't use the damn program period.
Umm... I don't know what they're doing to "remove windows search" but that sounds disaterous. That's not an optional component, and deleting COM servers that are vital to the shell (and other systems) is a terrible, terrible idea.
Disabling system services like that is one thing. Generally a bad idea in this case as it'll just hurt performance. But deleting important system files? That's just idiotic.
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#19 Posted by tablet_user on 02 Feb 2008 - 17:32
- people strip it for the fun of it, people cant seriously be dumb enough to think they get the same results with less stuff do they?
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#19.1 Posted by toadeater on 02 Feb 2008 - 23:23
- (tablet_user said @ #19)people strip it for the fun of it, people cant seriously be dumb enough to think they get the same results with less stuff do they?
No, they know it is a fact that Vista runs better with certain services turned off. With vLite, you can eliminate them entirely.
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#20 Posted by Firecat on 02 Feb 2008 - 18:06
- So what else is new? Did you actually think Microsoft would come out to endorse 'vLite' ?? Get a clue already...
The majority of vLite/nLite users I know of use the program to remove components they don't use. If Microsoft were to offer users a CHOICE, there wouldn't be the need to use 'nLite', 'vLite', '98lite' or '2000/XPlite' to begin with... WHY can't Windows components like MSN, Movie Maker, Media Center, Speech (and the list goes on) be offered as optional or add-on components? Is it so difficult for the Windows development team to implement this? Jesus. This has been my single, biggest complaint since the days of Windows 98.
And yes, I have an nLite'd XP system (using it now as I type this) and it works PERFECTLY -- just the way I want it. As for vLite, I've applied it to several Vista "test" systems -- looks promising, just like its predecessor (nLite).
Bottom line... It would be great if we were offered a choice as to pick and choose what Windows components to install or not. I don't think it's too much to ask of Microsoft now is it?
P.S. Kudos to 'nuhi', keep up the good work my friend!
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#20.1 Posted by +Brandon Live on 02 Feb 2008 - 19:00
- (Firecat said @ #20)Bottom line... It would be great if we were offered a choice as to pick and choose what Windows components to install or not. I don't think it's too much to ask of Microsoft now is it?
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#20.2 Posted by Deviate_X on 02 Feb 2008 - 19:51
- (Firecat said @ #20)If Microsoft were to offer users a CHOICE, there wouldn't be the need to use 'nLite', 'vLite', '98lite' or '2000/XPlite' to begin with...
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#20.3 Posted by Esvandiary on 02 Feb 2008 - 21:16
- (Deviate_X said @ #20.2)The choice is called VISTA BASIC and XP HOME EDITION.
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#20.4 Posted by Firecat on 02 Feb 2008 - 21:23
- @Brandon live:
Of course not! Besides, I don't think it'll be that time-consuming... We need component installation options and a more comprehensive Add/Remove -- it's long overdue. The options that are currently available is very "limited". Having more choices will improve overall user experience, imho.
@Deviate_X:
XP HOME is useless to me without Group Policy, Remote Desktop let alone RIS which is available in XP PRO. As for Vista, HOME BASIC just doesn't cut it. When I do finally make the switch, Vista BUSINESS it will be -
#20.5 Posted by majortom1981 on 03 Feb 2008 - 05:16
- (Esvandiary said @ #20.3)(Deviate_X said @ #20.2)The choice is called VISTA BASIC and XP HOME EDITION.
Because obviously everyone only either wants a Smart Car or a Hummer, right?
That is completely wrong analogy. IF your going to turn off and remove tons of services why not buy vista basic in the first place which has most of the stuff not installed or inactive.
IT would be like buying a hummer and taking everything out so that a smart car runs better.
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#21 Posted by jamesyfx on 02 Feb 2008 - 18:22
- vLite is obviously notgoing to be recommended.. It's altering the system, and removing lots ofcomponents. You cant guarantee that things will work.
Plus, we CAN choose what components to install or not.
Start > Control Panel > Programs and Features -> Turn Windows Features on or off.
Plus there are different versions of the system. e.g. If you dont want a Media Center, buy Vista Basic.
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#22 Posted by AaronMT on 02 Feb 2008 - 18:32
- Using vLite is just as stupid as removing the wheels and engine from your vehicle expecting it to perform 'better', 'faster' and remove excess 'bloat'.
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#22.1 Posted by jwjw1 on 03 Feb 2008 - 03:10
- thats the stupidest comparison of the thread... its more like removing the 'ash-tray' because you don't smoke and using the space for something worth your while. You think removing the 'Games' because your not a 'game-boy fan' and have a life...is going to ruin the performace of Vista...Get Real!
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#22.2 Posted by 7Dash8 on 03 Feb 2008 - 06:44
- (jwjw1 said @ #22.1)thats the stupidest comparison of the thread... its more like removing the 'ash-tray' because you don't smoke and using the space for something worth your while. You think removing the 'Games' because your not a 'game-boy fan' and have a life...is going to ruin the performace of Vista...Get Real!
Actually your analogy of the ashtray is perfect. Someone comes along, removes the ashtray from a car because they "dont smoke". Then the next time they have a piece of garbage to throw away in the car, they realize they used to dump it in the ashtray, but they can't now because they removed it.
There are idiots removing IE and WMP from Vista thinking that some third party alternative will do the job, then they find that at some point something they want to run needs IE or WMP and they really wasted their time removing it.
Too many stupid people are using vlite like its some sort of competition to see who can strip down their windows to the smallest size possible, then when things become unstable they blame Vista because VISTA SUCKS!!1!!1! and not because of their own stupidity. I don't blame MS for warning these people who are too stupid for their own good. -
#22.3 Posted by +rm20010 on 03 Feb 2008 - 07:42
- (7Dash8 said @ #22.2)Actually your analogy of the ashtray is perfect. Someone comes along, removes the ashtray from a car because they "dont smoke". Then the next time they have a piece of garbage to throw away in the car, they realize they used to dump it in the ashtray, but they can't now because they removed it.
Then chuck your garbage out the window.
But I agree with your post. I myself stopped hacking apart Windows XP sometime ago after too many odd errors showed up and a handful of applications refusing to start. That goes for using programs such as XPlite and turning on/off individual services. (We can agree that Microsoft stupidly left several services on in the XP SP0 era that led to stuff like the wave of Messenger spam, but I think they've learned their lesson by now with XP SP2/3 and Vista.)
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#23 Posted by ajua on 02 Feb 2008 - 18:33
- Some people use vLite to strip down install times and resource usage.
But the way i prefer involves making an unattended installation of windows, programs, drivers, tweaks, disabling services and other stuff, all manually using MS recommended guidelines.
This way, you can install everything without ever disabling anything that can be necessary for an update or a program.
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#24 Posted by soldier1st on 02 Feb 2008 - 18:47
- it's easy to turn things off if you dont want them.
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#24.1 Posted by toadeater on 02 Feb 2008 - 23:20
- (soldier1st said @ #24)it's easy to turn things off if you dont want them.
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#24.2 Posted by MioTheGreat on 03 Feb 2008 - 00:50
- (toadeater said @ #24.1)(soldier1st said @ #24)it's easy to turn things off if you dont want them.
How about on a dozen PCs?
Group Policy?
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#26 Posted by Sin1st3r on 02 Feb 2008 - 22:19
- Jeez. So much Vista hate. If the people wanna use it, let them use it, without bothering them. I can understand where Microsoft is coming from.
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#27 Posted by buzz99 on 02 Feb 2008 - 23:08
- If you want to use vlite, go ahead. If you just don't know how to use it properly, than don't use it. I found it very usefull and handy.
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#28 Posted by S7un7 on 03 Feb 2008 - 01:01
- How many people actually pay attention to Microsoft's recommendations?.......
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#28.1 Posted by Meacham on 03 Feb 2008 - 10:57
- Not all EU take any notice of what Microsoft are saying any way, it's just common sense not to mess around with your OS when it can make it vulnerable and unstable. If you have a good HDD with the capacity to take Vista and run other programmes at the same time then why would you want to shrink the size of the OS to take up less HDD space does not make any sense to me at all.
I agree with Microsoft to be honest.
"Microsoft does not recommend using any tool to strip out applications from Windows Vista prior to installing it on your system, as it may affect your ability to download future Windows updates and service packs, and may cause your system to become unstable", the company said in an e-mail to CNET News.com.