Windows Server 2008 & Windows Vista SP1 RTM Today
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#1 Posted by 
KoDeXeRo on 04 Feb 2008 - 14:11
- sweeet
I hope everything goes as planned so i can have them in my virtual palms soon
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#2 Posted by DKAngel on 04 Feb 2008 - 14:16
- whats the point of rtm and not rel it for a month :/
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#2.1 Posted by Skyfrog on 04 Feb 2008 - 14:25
- That's what I want to know. If it's RTM that means it's ready for release, and being a service pack doesn't it make sense to get it out as soon as possible? I never understood the logic of withholding them from the public.
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#2.2 Posted by JonathanMarston on 04 Feb 2008 - 14:32
- The mid-march release date is for Windows Update, it will probably appear for manual download before that like updates usually do. The reason for the delay on Windows Update is because of the prerequisite updates, and some driver issues that they have uncovered. They'll begin pushing out the prerequisites and driver updates now, then in mid-march, if the user has allowed Windows Update to install the prerequisites and updated drivers, SP1 will become available.
This will give users a smoother install experience (instead of restarting 4 times to install SP1, they'll restart 3 times over the next month, then once to install SP1), and prevent issues caused by improperly installed drivers.
It seems like MS has gotten tired of Windows being blamed for issues caused by IHV's poor drivers, so they're doing everything they can to avoid it these days... -
#2.3 Posted by whocares78 on 04 Feb 2008 - 23:52
- RTM means just that Release To Manufacturing, ALL software compnaies do this with all software,patches and updates, just most dont tell you about it. basically it means SP1 IS now final and there wont be any more changes, the RTM is so they can create media for MSDN and technet community and get it shipped to customers (they usually like to get it to the technical comunity before they give it to the rest of the world so the technical community is prepared for any issues or problems that may arise) they also need to organise for it to be placed on the web and to windwos update and test the web distribution methods arer actually workgin as expected, they also need to prepare it for distribution through other channels, all this stuff does take time.
so RTM definatley has a point, it means the developers are finished with it, which means we will get it when they say and unless some major show stoppers are found there will be no more delays..
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#3 Posted by +chorpeac on 04 Feb 2008 - 14:17
- I want to know what these "Problem Drivers" are that they are referring to. If I have them, I want to switch out my hardware asap. Anyone have any idea?
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#3.1 Posted by Tantawi on 04 Feb 2008 - 14:27
- They say simply reinstalling the driver will fix that.
Take BenQ 5000 scanner and ART UPS driver as an example of such hardware, this problem happened to me with SP1 RC0
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#4 Posted by +petroid on 04 Feb 2008 - 14:17
- Yay, Server 2008 RTM is available to download already in some channels. Bring on Vista SP1 and XPSP3 though
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#5 Posted by ibetheone on 04 Feb 2008 - 14:23
- Here's the timing for SP1 availability for current Windows Vista users:
In mid-March, we will release Windows Vista SP1 to Windows Update (in English, French, Spanish, German and Japanese) and to the download center on microsoft.com. Customers who visit Windows Update can choose to install Service Pack 1. If Windows Update determines that the system has one of the drivers we know to be problematic, then Windows Update will not offer SP1. Since we know that some customers may want to update to SP1 anyhow, the download center will allow anyone who wants to install SP1 to do so.
In mid-April, we will begin delivering Windows Vista SP1 to Windows Vista customers who have chosen to have updates downloaded automatically. That said, any system that Windows Update determines has a driver known to not update successfully will not get SP1 automatically. As updates for these drivers become available, they will be installed automatically by Windows Update, which will unblock these systems from getting Service Pack 1. The result is that more and more systems will automatically get SP1, but only when we are confident they will have a good experience.
The remaining languages will RTM in April.
So mid-march it will be public and mid-april for all languages, great.
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#6 Posted by hardgiant on 04 Feb 2008 - 14:25
- It will be anti-climatic I'm afraid. Some bugs will be fixed I'm sure but the hype around it is to much.
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#6.1 Posted by theyarecomingforyou on 04 Feb 2008 - 14:57
- Most of the hype died down when people tried the preview and found it did virtually nothing to performance (in fact for me it just introduced new bugs).
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#6.2 Posted by xiphi on 04 Feb 2008 - 15:02
- It didn't introduce any new bugs for me, but it did make my PC faster.
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#6.3 Posted by whocares78 on 04 Feb 2008 - 23:57
- (theyarecomingforyou said @ #6.1)Most of the hype died down when people tried the preview and found it did virtually nothing to performance (in fact for me it just introduced new bugs).
they were betas and RC's not final products. do you understadn what they are for, basically they are used by MS to save time and money by getting the custoerm to do the testing.. which basically gives them a much greater test bed.. so of course they will still have issues, thats why they werent released as final..
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#7 Posted by JonathanMarston on 04 Feb 2008 - 14:40
- Shouldn't the title read "Public beta phase of Windows Vista complete, RTM bits to be released in mid-March"?
Seriously, I like Vista, but there are some bugs that slipped through to RTM that should have been caught in the beta/RC testing phase. Most of the major ones have already been corrected (or at least improved) though the "fix packs", but its still apparent that Vista was rushed at the end to make sales and marketing happy... -
#7.1 Posted by creamhackered on 04 Feb 2008 - 14:42
- No, as stated in the article, RTW is different to RTM.
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#7.2 Posted by miguel_montes on 04 Feb 2008 - 15:07
- (creamhackered said @ #7.1)No, as stated in the article, RTW is different to RTM.
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#7.3 Posted by Skyfrog on 04 Feb 2008 - 16:41
- RTM means release to manufacturing (Dell, HP, etc). RTW means release to web, everyone can download it.
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#7.4 Posted by miguel_montes on 04 Feb 2008 - 17:13
- ... Yeah, but the SP is the same, right?... So... there's no difference... right?
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#7.5 Posted by JonathanMarston on 04 Feb 2008 - 17:23
- (creamhackered said @ #7.1)No, as stated in the article, RTW is different to RTM.
I don't think you understood my post. The title suggestion was a sarcastic comment designed to point out that the past year of Vista has been similar to a public beta because of the number and severity of bugs present in Vista RTM that normally would have been caught during a beta testing process, thus making Vista SP1 equivalent to what would normally be labeled as an "RTM" build... -
#7.6 Posted by whocares78 on 05 Feb 2008 - 00:03
- RTM means release to manufacturing (not dell, HP etc, although they will i am sure get a copy) it means it is released to the manudfacturing people at MS to go and create disks and prepare it for download via the various distribution methods....
RTW means released to the world, i.e. you can go and get it...
both versions are identical all it menas is that it is now FINAL
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#8 Posted by ralfs on 04 Feb 2008 - 15:02
- Currently downloading Windows Server 2008 Datacenter, Enterprise and Standard (x64) - DVD (English)
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#8.1 Posted by +Martog on 04 Feb 2008 - 16:23
- What kind of key did they give you for MSDN? On Technet they gave us a VAK 2.0/MAK key.Volume Activation 2.0/Multiple Activation Key: this key will activate Microsoft Windows Vista through the internet or telephone, and have a limited number of activations associated with them. Computers can be activated on an individual basis or by a central computer which can activate multiple computers at a time.
Now if I go to Server 2008 I doubt I'd use up all the activations they gave me (15) but seems kind of silly that even Server 2008 Standard is on the VLK activation scheme.Windows Server 2008 is designed to be activated with Key Management Service (KMS) by default. In order to activate using the Multiple Activation Key (MAK), you will need to follow these steps after installation completes
Oh well, supposed it doesn't matter but if you want to do test installations it is kind of meh
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#8.2 Posted by rev23dev on 04 Feb 2008 - 16:41
- (Martog said @ #8.1)What kind of key did they give you for MSDN? On Technet they gave us a VAK 2.0/MAK key.
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#8.3 Posted by +Martog on 04 Feb 2008 - 20:48
- (rev23dev said @ #8.2)(Martog said @ #8.1)What kind of key did they give you for MSDN? On Technet they gave us a VAK 2.0/MAK key.
MAK with 1500 activations
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#8.4 Posted by flashcore on 04 Feb 2008 - 21:28
- (Martog said @ #8.3)(rev23dev said @ #8.2)(Martog said @ #8.1)What kind of key did they give you for MSDN? On Technet they gave us a VAK 2.0/MAK key.
MAK with 1500 activations
1500? I want that many! I only have 15 haha.
I suspect there is some kind of bug in there site causing the 1500 number to pop up. Ive got a 1500 key with a Technet subscription, not that i am going to complain about it.
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#9 Posted by rev23dev on 04 Feb 2008 - 15:24
- yup. server 2008 is now on msdn. x64 anyways. apparently x86 will be there soon. the first box i'm going to upgrade is my team foundation server box is x86 though. doh!
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#10 Posted by Express on 04 Feb 2008 - 15:42
- Hopefully the a registry hack will soon be available to download SP1 from Windows Update.
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#10.1 Posted by Xenomorph on 04 Feb 2008 - 15:58
- (Express said @ #10)Hopefully the a registry hack will soon be available to download SP1 from Windows Update.
I don't think that will work the same way before.
When SP1 Final is on Windows Updates, everyone should be able to get it.
When SP1 Beta / RC was on Windows Updates, it was simply "hidden" so most users wouldn't get it (unless they KNEW what they were doing).
I doubt Microsoft is going to "hide" SP1 Final like that.
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#10.2 Posted by whocares78 on 05 Feb 2008 - 00:05
- not if they havent even posted it on windwos update yet!!!!
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#11 Posted by Randall_Lind on 04 Feb 2008 - 17:06
- Why make a big deal over SP 1 if it doesn't come out for another month or so? If it is RTM I don't really understand why it will take until mid March to be put on Windows Update site.
I can see people wanting to buy Vista waiting but if you own Vista you should be able to download it now! Microsoft doesn't seem to be in a rush to release it.
They want to own the net by buying Yahoo but, it takes them a month or so to figure out how to put a SP on their update site. No wonder why their Net plans fail they run it like the post office. -
#11.1 Posted by +abulfares on 04 Feb 2008 - 20:16
- Microsoft doesn't seem to be in a rush to release it.
You can never satisfy people. When Microsoft rushed Vista, people were unhappy. When Microsoft is taking its time to ensure smooth transition, people are unhappy.
Why dont u develop yr own OS for a change? or at least customize a linux build.
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#12 Posted by JonathanMarston on 04 Feb 2008 - 17:19
- It's not that they can't, or don't know how to, put it on Windows Update sooner, it's that they don't want to due to some driver issues causing SP1 to ruin some people's Windows installs. Over the next month they'll continue to identify which drivers have potential issues and push down driver updates through Windows Update to prepare people's systems for SP1. Also, if you installed the RC of SP1 you'd also know that there are a few prerequisite updates to SP1, so this also gives people time to install them before SP1 goes on WU.
I'd expect a manual installer to be available on the download center long before it goes on Windows Update. Although the blog doesn't mention it, this has been a common practice with MS in the past.
Edit: Just re-read the post, and realized they do say it will be mid-march for download center release as well. I can understand the wait for WU (for the above reasons), but why hold off on a download center release? Typically only technology minded people would even think to check download center, so they'd know how to update drivers, etc...
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#12.1 Posted by whocares78 on 05 Feb 2008 - 00:08
- i am sure it will be on MSDN and technet long before then, and most technical people wiill be able to access it there, that way the techies have time to play with it befroe their custoemrs roll it out, software companies have time to make sure none of their sofwtare has broken etc etc.. there are plenty of reasons..
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#13 Posted by Joni_78 on 04 Feb 2008 - 17:28
- WTF, they have update available for Vista but are holding it for a month???
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#13.1 Posted by +GreyWolfSC on 04 Feb 2008 - 17:38
- (Joni_78 said @ #13)WTF, they have update available for Vista but are holding it for a month???
No, they're not putting on Windows Update for a month. The release notes are already on the Microsoft Download site, so I assume the standalone service pack will be soon. -
#13.2 Posted by Joni_78 on 04 Feb 2008 - 18:04
- (GreyWolfSC said @ #13.1)(Joni_78 said @ #13)WTF, they have update available for Vista but are holding it for a month???
No, they're not putting on Windows Update for a month. The release notes are already on the Microsoft Download site, so I assume the standalone service pack will be soon.
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#13.3 Posted by JonathanMarston on 04 Feb 2008 - 19:03
- (GreyWolfSC said @ #13.1)(Joni_78 said @ #13)WTF, they have update available for Vista but are holding it for a month???
No, they're not putting on Windows Update for a month. The release notes are already on the Microsoft Download site, so I assume the standalone service pack will be soon.
It's odd that the release notes have a date of today, but still say "This Release Candidate" and "This document supports preliminary release of a software product...", isn't this SP1 final? -
#13.4 Posted by +GreyWolfSC on 04 Feb 2008 - 19:20
- (JonathanMarston said @ #13.3)(GreyWolfSC said @ #13.1)(Joni_78 said @ #13)WTF, they have update available for Vista but are holding it for a month???
No, they're not putting on Windows Update for a month. The release notes are already on the Microsoft Download site, so I assume the standalone service pack will be soon.
It's odd that the release notes have a date of today, but still say "This Release Candidate" and "This document supports preliminary release of a software product...", isn't this SP1 final?
They must've updated the record but not the data.
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#14 Posted by Izlude on 04 Feb 2008 - 18:15
- Gee uhhh... My Bios just happened to be at 2099 upon install of Vista... Oh this must be a bug, four of my "timers" have stopped... Do you think it will be safe to upgrade to SP1? Or do I have to wait for "people on the web" to address this issue before I install SP1?
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#14.1 Posted by mel00 on 04 Feb 2008 - 18:35
- (Izlude said @ #14)Gee uhhh... My Bios just happened to be at 2099 upon install of Vista... Oh this must be a bug, four of my "timers" have stopped... Do you think it will be safe to upgrade to SP1? Or do I have to wait for "people on the web" to address this issue before I install SP1?
yeah.. Microsoft has fix the problem for you so won't happen anymore.. so is not safe at point to upgrade to sp1 if you get my drift. so have to wait for "people on the web" to fix the issue. -
#14.2 Posted by FATILA on 04 Feb 2008 - 18:49
- (mel00 said @ #14.1)(Izlude said @ #14)Gee uhhh... My Bios just happened to be at 2099 upon install of Vista... Oh this must be a bug, four of my "timers" have stopped... Do you think it will be safe to upgrade to SP1? Or do I have to wait for "people on the web" to address this issue before I install SP1?
yeah.. Microsoft has fix the problem for you so won't happen anymore.. so is not safe at point to upgrade to sp1 if you get my drift. so have to wait for "people on the web" to fix the issue.
Oh wow your euphemisms have me totally convinced you're not talking about ripping off software. -
#14.3 Posted by +abulfares on 04 Feb 2008 - 20:19
- (FATILA said @ #14.2)Oh wow your euphemisms have me totally convinced you're not talking about ripping off software.
what? dude, take it easy. do u work for RIAA or something?
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#14.4 Posted by Schmoe on 04 Feb 2008 - 20:49
- (abulfares said @ #14.3)what? dude, take it easy. do u work for RIAA or something?
You do realize a lot of people that read this site are software developers or work for software companies. Maybe it's a tiny bit rude to talk about stealing from their employer. Especially when that employer is the company that cuts their bonus checks and gives them raises (little things that help them pay their mortgages and send their kids to good schools). It's a pity we live in a world where people think it's perfectly fine to steal from big companies. -
#14.5 Posted by NightmarE D on 04 Feb 2008 - 20:54
- Why don't you just come out and say "I'm using a cracked version of Vista"? If you actually thought nobody would get what you were talking about, that's pretty bad
If you followed SP1 at all you would know that they referred to all the timer and bios hacks not very long ago and said they would no longer work with SP1.(abulfares said @ #14.3)(FATILA said @ #14.2)Oh wow your euphemisms have me totally convinced you're not talking about ripping off software.
what? dude, take it easy. do u work for RIAA or something?
The RIAA has nothing to do with the CRACK he's talking about
It's just annoying when people try to hide the fact they're using cracks when it's more than obvious. -
#14.6 Posted by +abulfares on 04 Feb 2008 - 22:25
- If it was too obvious that mel00 was suggesting stealing from big companies, then it went over my head (probably to his bad use of grammar).
Anyway, I am totally against stealing from developers or using a "cracked" version of Windows; I am a student and still bought a retail Vista Ultimate.
I am sorry for misunderstanding mel00's post. -
#14.7 Posted by jme621 on 05 Feb 2008 - 00:25
- (Izlude said @ #14)Gee uhhh... My Bios just happened to be at 2099 upon install of Vista... Oh this must be a bug, four of my "timers" have stopped... Do you think it will be safe to upgrade to SP1? Or do I have to wait for "people on the web" to address this issue before I install SP1?
get a job and buy stuff
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#15 Posted by The Guardian on 04 Feb 2008 - 19:01
- Anyone know the build number of Vista SP1 RTM?
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#15.1 Posted by Chris123NT on 04 Feb 2008 - 19:19
- Yeah, it's the same as Server 2008, so they're both 6001.18000.080118-1840
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#15.2 Posted by rseiler on 04 Feb 2008 - 19:47
- Which is the same as the last RC release of SP1. So those who already have the RC have RTM, and those who don't can just reference the previously published WU mod to get it....
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#15.3 Posted by NightmarE D on 04 Feb 2008 - 20:55
- (rseiler said @ #15.2)Which is the same as the last RC release of SP1. So those who already have the RC have RTM, and those who don't can just reference the previously published WU mod to get it....
The RC builds only work up to a certain point. Just because they share the same build number, that doesn't mean they're the same exact build. They're could be minor changes while keeping the same build number.
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#17 Posted by digitalfreak on 04 Feb 2008 - 20:38
- Anyone seen Vista SP1 RTM on the Technet Plus download site? Still waiting on them to activate my account...
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#17.1 Posted by flashcore on 04 Feb 2008 - 21:26
- Vista SP1 is not on there yet but Windows 2008 Enterprise & Standard X64 is
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#17.2 Posted by TechNetPlus on 04 Feb 2008 - 23:07
- http://blogs.technet.com/technetplussubscr...-of-record.aspx
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#18 Posted by Powerless on 04 Feb 2008 - 21:21
- http://blogs.technet.com/technetplussubscr...-available.aspx
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#20 Posted by kiddingguy on 04 Feb 2008 - 22:25
- if it's RTM why not RTW?
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#21 Posted by xinary on 04 Feb 2008 - 23:06
- no reason to worry about it not being RTW you know as soon as it gets uploaded to technet or the likes it's going to be freely available, much to the dislike of the snobbier of the msdn subscribers who think they are holier than thou.
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#21.1 Posted by digitalfreak on 04 Feb 2008 - 23:41
- Neither MSDN nor Technet subscribers will bet getting SP1 until early March, according to this - http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1151. I expect it to be leaked from one of the OEMs in the next day or so.
Stupid Microsoft. Most likely just some moron marketing manager trying to kiss ass with the OEMs. Wish I still had the code to do my ASCII middle finger, 'cause that's basically what they're doing to their users.
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#22 Posted by excalpius on 04 Feb 2008 - 23:54
- I really hope they fixed the "dropping to reduced functionality" bug (wherein the control panel disappears, and you can't run applications etc.) that was present in the betas and RCs.
BTW, the fix for this is to rearm the WGA crap and re-authorize it again. Which may mean you need to call MS to get your Vista Update working correctly with your already licensed and validated Vista install, ahem. I've seen this with multiple MSDN and Technet installs, btw.
Instructions are http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-repli...cfm/875112.html
If this bug exists in the RTM upon widespread release, you can kiss Vista's shattered rep good-bye.
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#23 Posted by Linkin Park on 05 Feb 2008 - 00:27
- Can't wait to get this!
As for the server users, "Microsoft Windows Server 2008 x86 DVD-BetaInsiders" was just released.
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#24 Posted by InsaneNutter on 05 Feb 2008 - 00:38
- The Server 08 RTM build is on connect for anyone who was in the beta, no cd keys for it tho!
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#25 Posted by dogmatix on 05 Feb 2008 - 00:49
- Now downloading Vista SP1 6001.18000.08018-1840..... via "the usual channels"!!!
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#25.1 Posted by Dane2003 on 05 Feb 2008 - 01:08
- Same build number and different bits, apparently..see above. RC Refresh 2 is likely what you're downloading.
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#25.2 Posted by dogmatix on 05 Feb 2008 - 01:20
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See the above discussion for info on 6001.18000.08018-1840 - consensus seems to be that it is genuine SP1
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#25.3 Posted by dogmatix on 05 Feb 2008 - 01:22
- See also http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details...;DisplayLang=en
I think this confirms it.
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#25.4 Posted by +Raa on 05 Feb 2008 - 06:33
- (dogmatix said @ #25.3)I think this confirms it.
Actually it doesn't. Just because the AIK kit has a build of that number, doesnt mean the actual SP for Vista will.
Stop spreading FUD.
There is NO CONFIRMED build number at the moment, and SP1 has NOT been released officially on the web.
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#26 Posted by Linkin Park on 05 Feb 2008 - 01:06
- ^ Pm'ed
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#27 Posted by torrentthief on 05 Feb 2008 - 01:27
- en_windows_server_2008_x64_dvd.iso - 2.47 GB (2,663,258,112 bytes) - 64bit
en_windows_server_2008_x86_dvd.iso - 1.75 GB (1,881,049,088 bytes) - 32bit
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#28 Posted by installshield_freak on 05 Feb 2008 - 02:15
- I have all the Server Systems in Connect..
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#30 Posted by +kpo6969 on 05 Feb 2008 - 06:59
- Vista SP1 6001.18000.08018-1840
This may or may not be the deal, all I know is:
SP1 RC 1 was:
6001.17052(x86) v. 668
SP1 RC1 Refresh was:
6001.17128(x86) v. 744 (currently have)
I wish they would release whatever the final version is soon than March/April
I spent the better part of 2 seperate days installing and uninstalling between the 2 RC's
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#30.2 Posted by xinary on 05 Feb 2008 - 07:42
- (raindrop said @ #30.1)Final version is: 6001.18000.080118-1840
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#30.3 Posted by raindrop on 05 Feb 2008 - 07:54
- I am downloading now the RTM build
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#30.4 Posted by +Raa on 05 Feb 2008 - 08:05
- (raindrop said @ #30.3)I am downloading now the RTM build
soon will post MD5-Sum
Post your source.
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#30.5 Posted by xinary on 05 Feb 2008 - 08:15
- (Raa said @ #30.4)(raindrop said @ #30.3)I am downloading now the RTM build
soon will post MD5-Sum
Post your source.
There is no final RTM build available yet btw.
I am downloading porno dvd rip right now, when im done il post the checksum.
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#31 Posted by dopey0 on 05 Feb 2008 - 10:07
- Anyone know the difference between:
from TechNet/MSDN: en_windows_server_2008_datacenter_enterprise_standard_x64_dvd_X14-26714.iso size: 2665758720
and
from Connect: 6001.18000.080118-1840_amd64fre_Server_en-us-KRMSXFRE_EN_DVD.iso size: 2663258112
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#32 Posted by RanCorX2 on 05 Feb 2008 - 14:12
- why does everyone think 6001.18000.080118-1840 is not RTM? has it occurred to anyone it might of been finalized on the 18th and in time leading up to now or march it has been an ongoing testing phase? to make sure theres no problems then they can release it.
fare enough if im talking bo**ocks, but why put rtm in the build string, and seeing as winsrv2k8 has the same build string it should make sense.
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#32.1 Posted by vegascoop on 05 Feb 2008 - 19:26
- 6001.18000.080118-1840 is almost certainly the RTM build. There is substantial evidence in support of this including: (1) the matching Sever 2008 numbers and (2) that fact that it says RTM right in the build number. In addition why in the world would MS issue an RTM product without at least sending it to 10,000 - 15,000 beta testers? How else would MS know about oddball driver issues? I for one am leaving it installed. It works great.
The people claiming 6001.18000.080118-1840 is not the RTM have not presented any evidence in support of their position other than "you don't know!!" -
#32.2 Posted by RanCorX2 on 06 Feb 2008 - 13:04
- (vegascoop said @ #32.1)6001.18000.080118-1840 is almost certainly the RTM build. There is substantial evidence in support of this including: (1) the matching Sever 2008 numbers and (2) that fact that it says RTM right in the build number. In addition why in the world would MS issue an RTM product without at least sending it to 10,000 - 15,000 beta testers? How else would MS know about oddball driver issues? I for one am leaving it installed. It works great.
The people claiming 6001.18000.080118-1840 is not the RTM have not presented any evidence in support of their position other than "you don't know!!"
not forgetting that the new windows vista automated installation kit comes with the same build string, thats 3 things with the same build string, come on thats no coincidence!
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#33 Posted by joeyddr on 05 Feb 2008 - 22:08
- http://www.majorgeeks.com/Microsoft_Vista_...ck_1_d5849.html
or
http://download.microsoft.com/download/9/c...0-kb3aik_en.iso
Windows Server 2008 is also being released to manufacturing on the same date and will be available to new customers on March 1. Microsoft Volume Licensing customers with active Microsoft Software Assurance coverage or an Enterprise Agreement will be able to download the new Server software toward the end of February as part of the joint Microsoft SQL Server 2008 and Visual Studio 2008 Heroes Happen Here launch event
Contrary to reports SP1 will not be RTW (release to web) today.