Microsoft is taking a lot of heat by announcing that Vista SP1 is ready, but then not making it available for the general public until some time in March. But Microsoft made the right move by delaying launch -- if SP1 were out today, plenty of people would be having very serious driver problems.
As Computerworld's Eric Lai reports, Microsoft delayed launching SP1 because of incompatibilities between the service pack and drivers on peoples' machine. Microsoft won't necessarily be fixing those drivers before launch. Instead, it is tracking down which drivers cause problems, and then ensuring that Microsoft Update, or some other method, will block SP1 from being installed on hardware with potential driver glitches.
As Computerworld's Eric Lai reports, Microsoft delayed launching SP1 because of incompatibilities between the service pack and drivers on peoples' machine. Microsoft won't necessarily be fixing those drivers before launch. Instead, it is tracking down which drivers cause problems, and then ensuring that Microsoft Update, or some other method, will block SP1 from being installed on hardware with potential driver glitches.
It's clearly the right move to delay launch. So why did Microsoft announce that SP1 had gone gold so far in advance of launch? After all, Microsoft could have simply waited until March to make the announcement.
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All seems a bit strange IMO. RTM is out there, but no RTW.
3% at one million uses is a lot of people.
3% at one million uses is a lot of people.
edit: as an aside, I'd still half like to see the redistributable version released earlier like I believe it was with XP SP2. I doubt thatd effect too many home users and generally youd hope people getting it would have a clue. But as above, they probably would rather be safe.
Last edited by Smigit on 06 Feb 2008 - 12:49
All seems a bit strange IMO. RTM is out there, but no RTW.
I agree Neobond, I have not experienced any problems running SP1_RF2 running as well and it's working like a dream, no issies with installation and/or compatability with drivers either. And no I don't ever recall them to change their mind either. To be honest I believe the reason was because of MSIE8 because they want to jump the gun before Firefox 3.x.x is released. I might be wrong.
A user cannot think for itself. It is the type to call up Tech Support when the computer turns on, when the hard drive makes a funny noise, when the desktop is "weird and I don't know exactly how", when the mouseball falls out of their optical mouse, when Internet Explorer maximizes and they can't figure out how to make it go away, when they've dragged a shortcut out of the Quicklaunch and can't put it back, when they minimize their windows and can't find them again, when they saved a file to "I don't remember where", when they changed their password and immediately forgot it, when they installed the Bonus Mega Free Superscreensaver pack with twenty exclamation points, and when they accidentally forwarded an e-mail list to half the world.
A user cannot think for itself. It is the type to call up Tech Support when the computer turns on, when the hard drive makes a funny noise, when the desktop is "weird and I don't know exactly how", when the mouseball falls out of their optical mouse, when Internet Explorer maximizes and they can't figure out how to make it go away, when they've dragged a shortcut out of the Quicklaunch and can't put it back, when they minimize their windows and can't find them again, when they saved a file to "I don't remember where", when they changed their password and immediately forgot it, when they installed the Bonus Mega Free Superscreensaver pack with twenty exclamation points, and when they accidentally forwarded an e-mail list to half the world.
Sounds like you have actually had to deal with users before - LOL!
Sure would like to see the ball on that "optical" mouse!
A user cannot think for itself. It is the type to call up Tech Support when the computer turns on, when the hard drive makes a funny noise, when the desktop is "weird and I don't know exactly how", when the mouseball falls out of their optical mouse, when Internet Explorer maximizes and they can't figure out how to make it go away, when they've dragged a shortcut out of the Quicklaunch and can't put it back, when they minimize their windows and can't find them again, when they saved a file to "I don't remember where", when they changed their password and immediately forgot it, when they installed the Bonus Mega Free Superscreensaver pack with twenty exclamation points, and when they accidentally forwarded an e-mail list to half the world.
I've been there. Boy, have I been there
A user cannot think for itself. It is the type to call up Tech Support when the computer turns on, when the hard drive makes a funny noise, when the desktop is "weird and I don't know exactly how", when the mouseball falls out of their optical mouse, when Internet Explorer maximizes and they can't figure out how to make it go away, when they've dragged a shortcut out of the Quicklaunch and can't put it back, when they minimize their windows and can't find them again, when they saved a file to "I don't remember where", when they changed their password and immediately forgot it, when they installed the Bonus Mega Free Superscreensaver pack with twenty exclamation points, and when they accidentally forwarded an e-mail list to half the world.
You may have dealt with them before, but I have to every night. My dad's been using computers as long as I have (around 10 years) and he still doesn't know how to use basic programs, how to open certain files, how to do anything besides click and type (which he does very slowly, like 15 or 20 words per minute.)
A user cannot think for itself. It is the type to call up Tech Support when the computer turns on, when the hard drive makes a funny noise, when the desktop is "weird and I don't know exactly how", when the mouseball falls out of their optical mouse, when Internet Explorer maximizes and they can't figure out how to make it go away, when they've dragged a shortcut out of the Quicklaunch and can't put it back, when they minimize their windows and can't find them again, when they saved a file to "I don't remember where", when they changed their password and immediately forgot it, when they installed the Bonus Mega Free Superscreensaver pack with twenty exclamation points, and when they accidentally forwarded an e-mail list to half the world.
You may have dealt with them before, but I have to every night. My dad's been using computers as long as I have (around 10 years) and he still doesn't know how to use basic programs, how to open certain files, how to do anything besides click and type (which he does very slowly, like 15 or 20 words per minute.)
Maybe your dad and my dad should get together and go bowling.
seems the problems are big enough for them to do this (I've been hit by one of these drivers snags and it's a real pain indeed)
not all users are newbies indeed, but such a large majority is...., therefore they'll spare themselves and the OEMs a great deal of support headaches by ensuring everything goes right
True but the majority of them ARE.
Talking which, wheres my mouse driver he wants to be driven to pet shop...
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_poi...66&cl=us,en
desinstalling Refresh 2 fixed the problem, so latest sp1 has some issues indeed, don't know if the drivers problem here reported are the cause of this random crashes but certainly its there something wrong
let them take their time to fix this stuff, better wait to a fixed sp1 than having random problems
Seriously I'm running Refresh 2 (the consensus RTM) and have not had any issues. In fact it fixed several issues with Quicktime -- so maybe that's the reason for the delay.
i personally had the driver issues they are talking about with build 18000 -- everyone is in a huge hurry to get this buggy build even tho its NOT the RTM and its now not only widespread rumor-mill but in fact verified by MS that yes, its buggy, so dont get it, wait like 2 days for .2040 or one of the other builds
Vista is not a mess. IT has worked perfectly fine for the three computers that I have it installled on. One is even a pentium m 1.5ghz laptop.
So, newoinians, you maybe ready for SP1, but the general population is not.
I've read that is has problems but I want to know what those problems are and if they could happen to my machine should I choose to install SP1 now.
Obviously with even just the above mentioned bits of kit, they are in VERY wide use as they're in a huge proportion of laptops if nothing else.
Bring SP1 on Microsoft
How useful. I had to remove about 10 programs last time I did a Vista upgrade for a client due to setup telling me it's not compatible. Then I had to restart setup again....what a pain....
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I say they have a good arguement here and make some good points. Is it just me or has Microsoft really been stumbling with the Vista PR?
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