Microsoft Backpedals, Moves Up Vista SP1 Release Dates
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#1 Posted by Fubar on 12 Feb 2008 - 13:57
- wow talk about a farce lol
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#1.1 Posted by theyarecomingforyou on 12 Feb 2008 - 14:22
- +1
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#2 Posted by phiberoptik on 12 Feb 2008 - 14:02
- Customers who participated in the Vista SP1 beta were shipped the SP1 bits last Friday.
It's funny how that I know of, in the past the term "shipping bits" hasn't been used ever in the history of alpha, beta, RTM released.
But it seems to be the "cool" thing to say with Vista SP1, I've heard it the whole time
"Oh uhh yea we are shipping the RC1 bits"
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#2.1 Posted by
markjensen on 12 Feb 2008 - 14:51
- Well, shipping "a bit" sounds about 1/8th the size of shipping "a byte".
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#2.2 Posted by phiberoptik on 12 Feb 2008 - 15:58
- (markjensen said @ #2.1)Well, shipping "a bit" sounds about 1/8th the size of shipping "a byte".
Fact of the matter also is, they aren't "shipping" anything.... putting something on the web for download is far from "shipping"
"Uh yea I have to go ship my e-mail now" -
#2.3 Posted by +Octol on 12 Feb 2008 - 16:55
- (phiberoptik said @ #2.2)"Uh yea I have to go ship my e-mail now"
Right! And I have to go upload a washing machine to my cousin's house.
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#2.4 Posted by HawkMan on 12 Feb 2008 - 18:21
- you are aware that BITS is the windows update download engine ?
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#2.5 Posted by phiberoptik on 12 Feb 2008 - 19:34
- (HawkMan said @ #2.4)you are aware that BITS is the windows update download engine ?
Yes but that irrevelant, because they aren't talking about "BITS"
Who would sayCustomers who participated in the Vista SP1 beta were shipped the SP1 Background Intelligent Transfer Service last Friday.
Nice try though....
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#3 Posted by digitalsoft on 12 Feb 2008 - 14:07
- lol! Makes me laugh... why the delays in the first place if they can simply release it now??
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#3.1 Posted by neufuse on 12 Feb 2008 - 16:53
- (digitalsoft said @ #3)lol! Makes me laugh... why the delays in the first place if they can simply release it now??
They delayed it because there are drivers out there now that when SP1 is applied completely trash your system... they are getting the hardware vendors to update the drivers first they are going to force those out first and if you have those let you update to SP1... thats why there is a delay... would you rather be saying Vista SP1 deleted all my info?
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#3.2 Posted by +Brandon Live on 13 Feb 2008 - 05:44
- There were never delays other than a small delay in posting to WU due to the aforementioend driver issues, and there is no backpeddling. MS never announced any dates when SP1 would be available through any specific channels.
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#4 Posted by Frazell Thomas on 12 Feb 2008 - 14:12
- Good!
As being an MSDN subscriber and developer I was ****ed that MS was pushing Technet and MSDN releases to be in line with general release. Being technical professionals we can deal with the "driver issue" that is the base for delaying SP1...
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#5 Posted by mspeak on 12 Feb 2008 - 14:15
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first people bitch that they delay it. now they push it up, and people still bitch. -
#5.2 Posted by +Kushan on 12 Feb 2008 - 15:40
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first people bitch that they delay it. now they push it up, and people still bitch.
Yup, Microsoft can't win no matter what they do. They've obviously got reasons for the delayed release (there's one last bug in the Service pack relating to drivers) so they delay it to get a fix ready, so people bitch and moan. Then the bend over backwards to get it out to them because they want it so badly and yet it's still no good. Some people are just never satisfied. -
#5.3 Posted by Jugalator on 12 Feb 2008 - 23:12
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first people bitch that they delay it. now they push it up, and people still bitch.
It's not necessarily the same people bitching though.
That's a common fallacy to think is the case. That the same crowd bitch in either case. They probably don't, but they upset different crowds. In this case, the early adopters got happier, and those wishing to ensure driver vendors etc are better ready instead start bitching. -
#5.4 Posted by whocares78 on 12 Feb 2008 - 23:58
- (Kushan said @ #5.2)(mspeak said @ #5)
first people bitch that they delay it. now they push it up, and people still bitch.
Yup, Microsoft can't win no matter what they do. They've obviously got reasons for the delayed release (there's one last bug in the Service pack relating to drivers) so they delay it to get a fix ready, so people bitch and moan. Then the bend over backwards to get it out to them because they want it so badly and yet it's still no good. Some people are just never satisfied.
they arent goign to make any changes to the SP before it is releases, it's RTM now so it WONT be changed, that is the whole point of RTM the driver issues were with manufacturers of the hardware not MS, it is not a bugin the SP.. -
#5.5 Posted by +Kushan on 13 Feb 2008 - 10:00
- (whocares78 said @ #5.4)(Kushan said @ #5.2)(mspeak said @ #5)
first people bitch that they delay it. now they push it up, and people still bitch.
Yup, Microsoft can't win no matter what they do. They've obviously got reasons for the delayed release (there's one last bug in the Service pack relating to drivers) so they delay it to get a fix ready, so people bitch and moan. Then the bend over backwards to get it out to them because they want it so badly and yet it's still no good. Some people are just never satisfied.
they arent goign to make any changes to the SP before it is releases, it's RTM now so it WONT be changed, that is the whole point of RTM the driver issues were with manufacturers of the hardware not MS, it is not a bugin the SP..
Yeah and they've delayed it to give those manufacturers time to sort it out, so that average joe customer doesn't have to reinstall half of their drivers.
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#6 Posted by Angel Blue01 on 12 Feb 2008 - 14:16
- There's no reason not to make the professionals download available (500 MB package).
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#7 Posted by rdmiller on 12 Feb 2008 - 15:08
- "It's funny how that I know of, in the past the term "shipping bits" hasn't been used ever in the history of alpha, beta, RTM released."
MaryJo Foley has used the term for years. She is the queen of release date speculators. Now Microsoft has started using her terminology.
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#8 Posted by smooth3006 on 12 Feb 2008 - 16:10
- the only reason they are moving the date up is because apple released 10.5.2 update yesterday.
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#9 Posted by cork1958 on 12 Feb 2008 - 17:03
- Of course they're going to push up the date. Vista is so crappy, it needs lots and lots of help. Not that SP1 is the cure all, but a start!
Dreading reading about all the foobarred systems because they're going to rush this now!! But, it's coming!! -
#9.1 Posted by whocares78 on 13 Feb 2008 - 00:07
- volume license cusomters, MSDN subscivers and technet users all know how to use computers, and understadn the implications so will not bitch and moan if their systems get fubar'd, p.s. foobarred is just wrong it's an acronym you can't change the letters in an acronym, it changes the whole meanign of it. it will be all the tools that download it from torrent sites that know a little about computers that will whine and complain.
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#10 Posted by TC17 on 12 Feb 2008 - 17:34
- Some claim Vista a crappy, I LOVE Vista very much and would not care to go back to XP. Its more stable than XP is, and I have had no problems with drivers either (using the 64bit version of Vista).
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#10.1 Posted by MusicMan07 on 12 Feb 2008 - 19:10
- I myself can see why some don't want to switch over, but when someone calls it crappy and hasn't even tried it... then I can't accept their complaint.
I run XP Home, XP Media Center (x2), Vista Prem., Vista Bus. & Vista Home and I have to say the only issues I have with Vista are the media functions. For audio editing it is extremely annoying, but other then that I've seen no major issues. Then again I don't play computer games and I know there are issues with that.
I'm looking forward to SP1 just because if some audio issues were fixed I can move fully to Vista.
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#11 Posted by archer75 on 12 Feb 2008 - 17:35
- The bulk of the patches that make up SP1 have been on microsoft's KB for months now and fix a variety of issues. SP1 is mostly just packaging all those fixes together and with some new stuff added.
I've been running all those patches as soon as they came out and got SP1 last week.
My Vista system, x64, has always been stable and fast. I haven't really noticed any difference with SP1, but then I never had any issues thanks to the patches I installed long ago. -
#11.1 Posted by Advancer on 12 Feb 2008 - 18:16
- Good for you, but that doesn't mean alot of users aren't experiencing problems with Vista, and that SP1 is just a big roll-up patch. I haven't been so lucky to try the SP1 yet, but the overall feedback I've read, is that people find Vista better with SP1 installed.
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#12 Posted by soldier1st on 12 Feb 2008 - 18:26
- instead of delaying sp1 because of this small number of driver problems they could have made sp1 refuse to install if the target system had one of those driver problems and tell the user how to fix it(if possible)then once thats that the service pack would install,if a driver needed to be removed then reinstalled that aint too much to do.and so far sp1 has been really good for me.
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#13 Posted by Chrono951 on 12 Feb 2008 - 20:07
- I agree with most people here. SP1 should be up on the Download Center now for people who want to get it now and take the chance without waiting for March.
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#15 Posted by Xerxes on 12 Feb 2008 - 22:09
- Of cause now that is been released early to make everyone happy, people are gonna complain it was released too soon can't please everyone can you?
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#16 Posted by sisiphus on 12 Feb 2008 - 22:13
- Got SP1 via WU...and first thing that happens after SP1 update and restart was a big black screen...computer running but no image...yes...my first thought was "drivers problems"
...uninstalled nvidia 169.25 drivers and updated through WU to 163.69 version and that fixed it...very weird using home premium x64 -
#16.1 Posted by xMorpheousx416 on 12 Feb 2008 - 22:56
- I ran into some issues going thru WU to get SP1... "Configuring updates: Stage 3 of 3", in which it would just keep rebooting. After reading a few posts at Technet, to which there really wasn't a cure... I just wiped the install, started fresh and installed SP1 as soon as I hit the desktop.
I am using the 169.25 drivers now... seems to be stable at the moment, but I waited until after the SP install to update any of the system drivers.
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#17 Posted by Meacham on 13 Feb 2008 - 12:41
- The problem is you cannot keep everybody happy... IT Specialist state this is ready for release, being an IT Specialist myself, I don't thik it's ready... although I did not encounter any problems with SP1_Refresh Release at all, every machine is configured differently to others and the outcome is going to be different for everybody. as Xerxes said and I tend to agree with the reply. I think MS sould stick to the roadmap and release it in March instead of having to repatch it again.Of cause now that is been released early to make everyone happy, people are gonna complain it was released too soon can't please everyone can you?
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#17.1 Posted by phiberoptik on 15 Feb 2008 - 14:09
- So.... you didn't encounter any problems, yet... you don't think it's ready.....
Ok sounds like a plan.
Volume-licensing customers will get the English version of the software at the end of this week, Mike Nash, corporate vice president for Windows product management, announced on the Vista Team blog. Nash said other languages would follow but did not give a time frame.
Later this month, the service pack will be made available to MSDN and TechNet Plus subscribers, many of whom lashed out at Microsoft on its TechNet Plus blog with venomous comments. Nash did not provide an exact date. Customers who participated in the Vista SP1 beta were shipped the SP1 bits last Friday.