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Mole claims Toshiba to terminate HD DVD

Daniel Fleshbourne   via The Reg on 15 February 2008 - 11:04 · 43 comments & 28809 views

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Is Toshiba about to fall on its sword and announce the demise of HD DVD? That's certainly what one report citing an unnamed mole within the HD DVD camp is claiming, even though Toshiba itself - surprise, surprise - is having none of it. The source mentioned by US Home Media Magazine claims that Toshiba could declare HD DVD dead in "a matter of weeks".

The mag also spoke to a senior Toshiba staffer - Jodi Sally, VP of marketing for Toshiba America Consumer Products - who re-iterated the company's belief that HD DVD "is the best format for consumers". However, she did admit that Toshiba is monitoring the market. "Toshiba will continue to study the market impact and the value proposition for consumers, particularly in light of our recent price reductions on all HD DVD players."


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(7 replies) #1 randomnut on 15 Feb 2008 - 11:12
I disagree with *anything* from the reg or the inq being posted here as news, but I agree this could happen, despite HD being the superior format.

HDI is just miles better than the bloated java code found on BDs which actually *needs* Cell to run at a good speed. HD also offers more features than BD and is a spec that's actually complete and compatible with all players.

While I traded in my HDDVD player/movies for a PS3 and BD's, I certainly notice the difference and to me seemed like a downgrade.
#1.1 testman on 15 Feb 2008 - 11:53
"superior format" LOL
#1.2 +Coldgunner on 15 Feb 2008 - 11:55
how is it a downgrade? you got a media centre, games console and bd player!

BD uses the same software technology as HDDVD
#1.3 notuptome2004 on 15 Feb 2008 - 13:27
(Coldgunner said @ #1.2)
how is it a downgrade? you got a media centre, games console and bd player!

BD uses the same software technology as HDDVD






BD does not use the same software technology as HD-DVD BD uses Java based programming software while HD-DVD uses Microsft xaml and some WPF. now as for features HD-DVd has Dual tuner PIP abilities networking internet abilities witch have been put to good use ad offering more interaction and some cool stuff. BD does not offer as of yet anything comparable for hardware features except the PS3 witch may or may not go full 2.0 spec but mirly spec 1.1 witch it is now and at the same time no BD film offers anything for spec 1.1 features. HD-DVD has been and has had those features since day 1 and the software in witch it is all run by is far more light weight and more configurable.

BD setop box Pros: great picture quality great sound good movie selection Might be the sole Format war winner


BD setup box Cons: No spec 1.1 titles and limited to 1 player on market as of right now with full spec 1.1 hardware. no spec 2.0 hardware no software for spec 2.0. no upgradeable firmware and or hardware DonusView and internet stuff needs brand new hardware

PS3 Pros: Spec 2.0 Possible same as above on pros but game system and media center stuff


PS3 BD Cons: Spec 1.1 only confirmed Firmware upgradeable to Spec 2.0 for more features possibly but not confirmed by sony





HD-DVD Pros: Great picture quality great sound decent good movie selection finalized Spec many movies combining both PiP features and internet features for great more robust interactivity well designed software layer Firmware upgradeable for future software features.

Last edited by notuptome2004 on 15 Feb 2008 - 13:34
#1.4 [DGS] on 15 Feb 2008 - 14:19
(notuptome2004 said @ #1.3)
BD setup box Cons: No spec 1.1 titles


I can see you repeat that over and over again in your post.. do your research..there ARE 1.1 titles out. Resident Evil 3 for example.

The PS3 can be updated by Sony to 2.2 anytime they feel like it. There is no need for 2.2 now since no 2.2 titles are out yet
#1.5 lbmouse on 15 Feb 2008 - 15:28
(randomnut said @ #1)
I disagree with *anything* from the reg or the inq being posted here as news...

Don't be such a news source nazi ... Here Then ... Is that better?
#1.6 notuptome2004 on 15 Feb 2008 - 16:12
[DGS
said,#1.4]
(notuptome2004 said @ #1.3)
BD setup box Cons: No spec 1.1 titles


I can see you repeat that over and over again in your post.. do your research..there ARE 1.1 titles out. Resident Evil 3 for example.

The PS3 can be updated by Sony to 2.2 anytime they feel like it. There is no need for 2.2 now since no 2.2 titles are out yet



ok so 1 movie ok that is fine and it wont be 2.2 spec it be 2.0 and as of right now sony has no plans they siad 1.1 is all they may do for the PS3 as it is first and foremost a game console
#1.7 randomnut on 16 Feb 2008 - 12:19
(Coldgunner said @ #1.2)
how is it a downgrade? you got a media centre, games console and bd player!

BD uses the same software technology as HDDVD


I meant in terms of movie experience, not hardware specifically. HD just had more features, responded a lot better, the colour pallet and reproduction was more vivid (even on dual format movies) and blacks were more realistic. The menus were a lot nicer, as well.

A good friend of mine works for a company who design media interfaces for Warner, and he has told me that writing HDI was a lot simpler, was able to produce better results and was a lot nicer to work with than the Java code they use on BD. The majority of their time was spent optimizing it to try and get the time from disk-in to movie playing under 1:50 .
(1 reply) #2 vetGerry on 15 Feb 2008 - 11:47
R.I.P. HD-DVD...
#2.1 Skyfrog on 15 Feb 2008 - 15:58
I was an HD DVD supporter, sad to see it go as I think it was better for consumers but the companies have made their deals and decided for us.
(5 replies) #3 on 01 Jan 1970 - 00:00
#3.1 +Coldgunner on 15 Feb 2008 - 11:54
yeah, I've seen a few stories go up in the forums before posted to the front page and theres not been any credit given to the poster.

love the gif


on-topic though - We can finally give up this silly format war and concentrate on getting the software prices down (before anyone posts a reply, HDDVD and BD prices are the same in Europe)
#3.2 Jugalator on 15 Feb 2008 - 13:02
Haha, The Melting Man FTW.
#3.3 kravex on 15 Feb 2008 - 14:23
+Coldgunner, now that Sony a company not best known for it's low prices has a monopoly, 'down' is the last place I can see the prices going.

I can just hear the Sony board " We'll get our revenge and money back for Betamax, MiniDisk etc. now"
#3.4 +Coldgunner on 15 Feb 2008 - 15:10
(kravex said @ #2.3)
+Coldgunner, now that Sony a company not best known for it's low prices has a monopoly, 'down' is the last place I can see the prices going.

I can just hear the Sony board " We'll get our revenge and money back for Betamax, MiniDisk etc. now"


the BDA is a large consortium, it may be technology sony developed, but its up to the consortium to decide the pricing factors
#3.5 waxman830 on 15 Feb 2008 - 17:04
(kravex said @ #3.3)
+Coldgunner, now that Sony a company not best known for it's low prices has a monopoly, 'down' is the last place I can see the prices going.

I can just hear the Sony board " We'll get our revenge and money back for Betamax, MiniDisk etc. now"


Exactly!!!, But it seems most of the fools here just don't get it. Maybe this will help.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c....u=sony_bull****

Rock on!!!
(7 replies) #4 morphen on 15 Feb 2008 - 14:24
I can see the future... a lot of lawsuits...irrational Americans going wild over their HD-DVD hardware beeing useless since there is no movies available.

Too bad, competition is good for us consumers, considering the price. HD-DVD provided competition for Bluray,
when/if HD-DVD is gone from the marked, we probably will have a bluray-"monopoly". that would be bad.
#4.1 testman on 15 Feb 2008 - 14:33
What, like we have a "DVD monopoly" right now? No, prices will fall further, seeing as the different manufacturers will continue to outdo each other. Just like now with DVD in fact, funnily enough.
#4.2 morphen on 15 Feb 2008 - 15:05
(testman said @ #4.1)
What, like we have a "DVD monopoly" right now? No, prices will fall further, seeing as the different manufacturers will continue to outdo each other. Just like now with DVD in fact, funnily enough.


Well, there is one difference, when DVD came out, there was only DVD. Now we have two formats in the fight.
If one was to fall, the other one could potentially drive the marked.

And i am talking hardware pricing, not the price of movies.

Sure prices will fall over time, but this could slow the process :/

#4.3 Skyfrog on 15 Feb 2008 - 15:56
It can't be a monopoly when every manufactuer out there makes players. It's a format, not a company. There will be plenty of competition between Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, Pioneer, etc. Same thing happened with VHS, even Sony started making them eventually. Prices will fall just like they always do with a new technology.
#4.4 XerXis on 15 Feb 2008 - 15:57
(morphen said @ #4.2)
(testman said @ #4.1)
What, like we have a "DVD monopoly" right now? No, prices will fall further, seeing as the different manufacturers will continue to outdo each other. Just like now with DVD in fact, funnily enough.


Well, there is one difference, when DVD came out, there was only DVD. Now we have two formats in the fight.
If one was to fall, the other one could potentially drive the marked.

And i am talking hardware pricing, not the price of movies.

Sure prices will fall over time, but this could slow the process :/


you've already forgotten DVD- and DVD+?
#4.5 Skyfrog on 15 Feb 2008 - 16:01
(XerXis said @ #4.4)
you've already forgotten DVD- and DVD+?


Those were not movie formats though, and once burned they basically became a regular DVD. Plus it didn't even matter for very long as recorders could soon happily burn either type. Not really comparable to this.
#4.6 testman on 15 Feb 2008 - 17:14
(morphen said @ #4.2)
(testman said @ #4.1)
What, like we have a "DVD monopoly" right now? No, prices will fall further, seeing as the different manufacturers will continue to outdo each other. Just like now with DVD in fact, funnily enough.


Well, there is one difference, when DVD came out, there was only DVD. Now we have two formats in the fight.
If one was to fall, the other one could potentially drive the marked.

And i am talking hardware pricing, not the price of movies.

Sure prices will fall over time, but this could slow the process :/

Nope, cos again manufacturers will compete against themselves which will bring down prices over time. Multiple formats bring nothing but confusion. Just like Betamax and VHS in fact.
#4.7 akav0id on 15 Feb 2008 - 18:50
(Skyfrog said @ #4.5)
(XerXis said @ #4.4)
you've already forgotten DVD- and DVD+?


Those were not movie formats though, and once burned they basically became a regular DVD. Plus it didn't even matter for very long as recorders could soon happily burn either type. Not really comparable to this.



But DIVX was a competitor, and was the one that movie studios favoured.
(3 replies) #5 Julius Caro on 15 Feb 2008 - 16:39
It will be fun when toshiba drops HD-DVD before paramount and universal
#5.1 DaveBG on 15 Feb 2008 - 16:49
Hahaha so true!
#5.2 theyarecomingforyou on 15 Feb 2008 - 18:51
lol
#5.3 gunnerhkjp on 18 Feb 2008 - 07:34


Toshiba probably won't be able to pull the plug until paramount and universal quit HDDVD.
#6 Skyfrog on 15 Feb 2008 - 16:42
Mole claims Toshiba to terminate HD DVD


What do moles know about technology? At least wait to see if the groundhog sees his shadow or something.
#7 DaveBG on 15 Feb 2008 - 16:48
HD-Dead? Is this still around? LOL
(1 reply) #8 avidracer on 15 Feb 2008 - 17:11
MS must have cut its funding to HD group. now will they get in bed with sony to promote their own iHD.
#8.1 testman on 15 Feb 2008 - 17:22
Yeah cos it couldn't have been the fact that HD DVD discs are simply not selling...
(1 reply) #9 SirEvan on 15 Feb 2008 - 17:36
I call BS on this, as they just released a new firmware version....why continue to work on the firmware if they aren't going to support it?
#9.1 Cryton on 15 Feb 2008 - 17:50
Because firmware development takes months and a lot of work, and if they've just finished an upgrade then why not release it, even if the format is about to die.
#10 Cryton on 15 Feb 2008 - 17:52
I really don't care what format dies, but I really want one of them to go away so I can safely buy a hidef player and start a hidef movie collection.
#11 coolvi on 15 Feb 2008 - 18:17
However, she did admit that Toshiba is monitoring the market. "Toshiba will continue to study the market impact and the value proposition for consumers, particularly in light of our recent price reductions on all HD DVD players."


LOL That's so amateur and misleading and just ruined the whole article. So they couldn't figure out but had to have a VP in marketing admitting that they're doing market research. LMAO The comment couldn't be more neutral and they had to word it as it Toshiba is losing confidence when the VP were simply stating her job description. Simply amusing.

But I'd kinda always seen this coming. Not technologies, but the media and uninformed who think they're getting information from reliable sources, will kill HD-DVD.
#12 Julius Caro on 15 Feb 2008 - 18:42
Walmart just issued a press release... they've gone Blu-ray.

We can declare HD-DVD brain dead already. Dead-dead will be when Toshiba issues their own PR
#13 MGS4-SS on 15 Feb 2008 - 18:57
I'll be the first to say: About time.
#14 thornz0 on 15 Feb 2008 - 20:26
i really want a format to die, and since HDDVD is closer at this point, so be it. in reality though, it would only take a couple big announcements, some clever advertising, and a lot of money (to encourage said announcements) to turn the whole thing around.
#15 ambiance on 15 Feb 2008 - 21:41
Farewell HD DVD.
#16 +warwagon on 16 Feb 2008 - 01:57
All I can say is if they do kill off the HD DVD player, they better release a firmware update for Divx support for all of use that own a player so we can get something remotely useful out of it.
#17 signalpirate on 17 Feb 2008 - 00:41
ahhh finally i can go buy a dvd player
#18 obsolete_power on 17 Feb 2008 - 16:41
Oh my God, this is finally over, I have been waiting so long for this moment. I would like to first and foremost thank God for believing in Blu Ray because without him I would have never had faith, I would like to thank my family that have supported me all this time, my co-workers for cracking jokes on HD-DVD's behalf, my friends for calling me a geek and nerd, I would like to also take this opportunity to thank Joe, Michael, Lucy, Amanda, Gary, Josie, if I am forgetting anyone, I am sorry!
#19 goatsniffer on 18 Feb 2008 - 05:08
Bad news for early adopters, good news for the wait-and-see types.

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