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50 Reasons to switch from Windows to OS X?

Steven Parker   on 19 February 2008 - 12:28 · 103 comments & 50990 views

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Or, a lost sheep’s ongoing struggle to stay relevant in this internet age. Now don't get me wrong, I have always had quite a lot of respect for Chris Pirillo, but something happened when Microsoft talked up Longhorn and eventually shipped Vista. Chris was enraged most of the time because the promise of "Longhorn 2003" never happened, and I think he probably feels that Microsoft cheated themselves, and him out of a worthwhile upgrade. Ever since, he hasn't involved himself in Microsoft (lab) events and has become quite outspoken against Windows Vista.

From John's AbsoluteVista Blog: In a post last week, on St. Valentine’s Day no less, Chris Pirillo states his 50 reasons to switch from Windows (any version?) to OS X.

After getting past his preamble about neutrality, he delivers his thoughts. Actually, we are supposed to take his thoughts as neutral since it is not a Windows bash. Furthermore, since in his opening statements he declared his relationships with some sponsors, we should take the product plugs as gospel. Feel free to ingest a grain/several grains of salt with his recommendations.

I have taken it upon myself to provide a public service by attempting to debunk some of the outright errors, factual errors, product plugs, and gross misconceptions in his beliefs.

View: The Full Article @ AbsoluteVista

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(4 replies) #1 +Smigit on 19 Feb 2008 - 12:43
I reallly dislike Chris Pirillo. He can claim to be as neutral as he likes, everything I've seen him do myself has just been an attempt to stir the pot but.
#1.1 al11588 on 19 Feb 2008 - 16:16
+1 see this is why i always go to www.diggnation.com with kevin rose.
#1.2 ermax on 19 Feb 2008 - 20:45
Yeah he is a tool bag. Why would anyone take his advice. I spent about 3mins watching him ramble in his out of sync YouTube videos about nonsense. I about fell out of my seat listening to him spew crap from his mouth. Some one phoned in asking why there monitor was turning off and he sugested running Linux to diagnose the problem. Someone with a clue could have asked a total of 4 questions to find the real problem. Tool bag.
#1.3 trip21 on 19 Feb 2008 - 21:32
Neowin's title makes mention of "unprofessional journalism" and this is sure it!
#1.4 nonick on 20 Feb 2008 - 03:27
(trip21 said @ #1.3)
Neowin's title makes mention of "unprofessional journalism" and this is sure it!


Very unprofessional, true but too bad its not better.
(1 reply) #2 starless.bible.black on 19 Feb 2008 - 12:46
great work at dissecting it. I can't believe with how much bs he tries to fill up the 50 points. thanks for the work.
#2.1 +Smigit on 19 Feb 2008 - 12:57
Yeah, he should have stuck to a list of 10 and made those 10 worthwhile. Even then the article would come off as a sales pitch but he may have gotten away without having to drag his feet to hit 50.
#3 Kudos on 19 Feb 2008 - 12:50
I like VMWare Fusion, but Pirillo sounds like he's versing straight from their marketing spiel. The plug from GoToMeeting is completely irrelevant to the point he was making. He reads like a cheap hack.
#4 +majortom1981 on 19 Feb 2008 - 13:00
This is what I hate people who dont use vista very much trying to say why osx is better. They go ahead and state points that are compeltely false.

He states about VLC player but wait he compeltely forgets that its available for windows vista also.


There are a number of free vertualization products from Microsoft themselves plus the only thing stopping it from virtualizing every OS is APPLE.

I can also state the future of OSX is being virtualized in A Microsoft OS. See has just as much meritt as his reverse statement.

IF people are going to bash vista at least use it and ALL its features before comparing it to OSX.
#5 1759 on 19 Feb 2008 - 13:23
OSX and Vista have their place - 2 OS' that basically do the same thing, just some things better than others.

In the enterprise, Windows rules, and Apple doesn't seem to care that much about businesses; iWork is not an Office replacement, and most IT dept. don't run XServe. When I use OSX at work, I still use Office 2008, even though I don't like it that much, and it lacks Access, but that's a business move by MS.

For home use, flip a coin - I use both, and I can do most of the same stuff with both - OSX is a bit more streamlined, but Windows has more software, more hardware selection, and better freeware. I also believe that OSX is a better OS than Windows, but Vista is pretty good too, and I use it everyday.
#6 GEIST on 19 Feb 2008 - 13:27
At least this piece of BS was mildly entertaining thanks to the guy who dissected that other idiot's schpiel that was everything else but neutral.
#7 Weed on 19 Feb 2008 - 13:30
It would seem like he is grabbing at strings to get some of these points out.

Adium is there - an Instant Messaging client that allows you to use AIM, Yahoo, Google Talk, and other accounts through a single client. It’d be my replacement for Miranda IM. Skype also works on the Mac. I expect to see even more universal IM apps reveal themselves over the coming months.




Is that even supposed to be a reason to switch? That's not even a point.

Setting up services such as Windows File Sharing, FTP, and even Web sharing can be done on OS X with just a few clicks. If you’re telling me that I could set up FTP just as easily in Windows, then… it obviously can’t be done as easily.




How many home users set up an FTP?

# You really don’t get to play the blame game with Apple. They make the hardware AND the operating system, so… they really know what’s going on, and they really know if the problem is widespread.




They also know how to charge more for the same hardware.

# A Mac costs about the same as a comparable Windows PC - for hardware and (for argument’s sake for those who don’t believe me) bundled software. And for those who still claim that Macs are still more expensive, they obviously have never seen or priced a gaming rig. Price / cost is relative. If you want a cheap machine, that’s your prerogative. The resell value on Macs has always been higher than that of an equivalent “Windows” machine.




Because they are all expensive. I sincerely doubt you can pick up a full Mac setup (minus the monitor) for the same cheap windows machine. Windows machines can be as cheap as $400 without the monitor. Why spend $1300 when you can spend $400 for a computer? Some people don't care about having the fastest bestest most coolest computer.

With a .Mac subscription, you can save common local settings as global ones. You only have to configure your Dock or System Preferences on one machine to have those same changes appear on all machines connected to your .Mac account. Unbelievable.




So you buy an expensive computer, and then to get a lot of these "ultra-cool features", you pay a service charge forever? That's great!

Unlike Windows font management, you can activate fonts as you need them within Leopard. This translates to less wasted overhead by fonts that remain largely unused in memory. I can only imagine this results in far less resource-intensive sessions. Genius.




With the amount of RAM available in machines today, I don't think that's a problem anymore.

# Thanks to another one of our sponsors, GoToMeeting, I’ve had the opportunity to see quite a few of my friends’ desktops. Quite a few have gone to great lengths to make their installation of Windows look and feel like Mac OS X. At that point, what’s the point of sticking with Windows? Just about the only thing Mac users might want from Windows is the Explorer (FTFF) - and even then, there’s ‘Path Finder.’


That's not even a point. That's a plug for your sponsor. This a pretty bad list.

# I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: Windows users need Apple’s software more than Mac users need Microsoft’s. That’s just a cold, hard fact. And given my severe disappointment with just about everything in Mac Office 2008, I’m even further driven away from Microsoft’s desktop software.



That's a matter of opinion, not fact. I don't need "iLife" or ".Mac" accounts.

You say mac users are not smug, but you yourself sound very smug.

That's the end of my rant.
#8 Slugsie on 19 Feb 2008 - 13:31
I lost all respect for Chris Pirillo when he managed to dump all over the very active and lively LockerGnome community many years ago. I haven't paid any attention to that media whore since then.
(2 replies) #9 Dynames00 on 19 Feb 2008 - 13:33
Excellent power management in OS X. When I close the lid to my MacBook Pro, it falls asleep. When I open the lid to my MacBook Pro, it wakes up. Imagine that! Seems to be the case 99% of the time, and it happens quickly.




Oh really? No way... I mean when i close the lid to my vista notebook, it doesn't fall asleep... I guess I need to switch to OSX now... [/sarcasm]
#9.1 vetneufuse on 19 Feb 2008 - 15:28
(Dynames00 said @ #9)
Excellent power management in OS X. When I close the lid to my MacBook Pro, it falls asleep. When I open the lid to my MacBook Pro, it wakes up. Imagine that! Seems to be the case 99% of the time, and it happens quickly.




Oh really? No way... I mean when i close the lid to my vista notebook, it doesn't fall asleep... I guess I need to switch to OSX now... [/sarcasm]

Seriously is this guy an idiot? Has he ever looked at the power managment settings in windows? I can make a laptop go to sleep when the lid closes... but I don't want it to always wake up when I open it... so how is waking up on open a good thing? on the reverse why would I want it to go to sleep all the time when I close it?... I could come up with tons of arguments against his points...
#9.2 Relativity_17 on 20 Feb 2008 - 12:03
Holy crap, what does this guy think happens on a Vista notebook? Close the lid and it turns into a potato? Someone is pretending just a little bit too hard to be a complete idiot.
(2 replies) #10 +Chicane-UK on 19 Feb 2008 - 13:48
Sigh. Another flamefest ahoy. Are Neowin news posters actively trying to get folks on here so enraged with each other than the commenting system will just implode from the 'troll' and 'fanboi' and other such insulting comments?
#10.1 GEIST on 19 Feb 2008 - 16:09
By now I really have that impression. There's no good reason to encourage such behavior by posting such articles other than making people talk as some sort of promotion. If Neowin wants to attract technology ****tards that way, they sure look like they're good at it. This C. P.'s 50 reasons list deserves no attention beyond the dissecting it got.
#10.2 GreyWolfSC on 20 Feb 2008 - 16:38
(GEIST said @ #10.1)
By now I really have that impression. There's no good reason to encourage such behavior by posting such articles other than making people talk as some sort of promotion. If Neowin wants to attract technology ****tards that way, they sure look like they're good at it. This C. P.'s 50 reasons list deserves no attention beyond the dissecting it got.


Take a look at Wednesday's news. There's a link to a forum post as news, and the post has been rated 1 since it started days ago.
(6 replies) #11 hotdog963al on 19 Feb 2008 - 13:48
Very unprofessional article, really scraping the barrel at times.
Are flame wars endorsed by Neowin now??
#11.1 iCeFuSiOn on 19 Feb 2008 - 13:56
I'm starting to wonder this myself. I really love Neowin, but the jabs taken at anything that isn't Windows these days just make it seem like not only are flame wars endorsed, but it's hurting the credibility of the site in my opinion.
#11.2 Fubar on 19 Feb 2008 - 14:02
(iCeFuSiOn said @ #11.1)
I'm starting to wonder this myself. I really love Neowin, but the jabs taken at anything that isn't Windows these days just make it seem like not only are flame wars endorsed, but it's hurting the credibility of the site in my opinion.


it lost its credibility of a news site a few months ago . it has become is a flame fest for teenagers
#11.3 SniperX on 19 Feb 2008 - 14:45
I think the ethos is that even negative comments are better than no comments at all. That, and the fact that I think it's finally dawned on them that even hardcore Windows enthusiasts are looking elsewhere for their news. What we're seeing here are desperate measures to try and find a crowd, any crowd.
#11.4 iCeFuSiOn on 19 Feb 2008 - 15:34
(SniperX said @ #11.3)
That, and the fact that I think it's finally dawned on them that even hardcore Windows enthusiasts are looking elsewhere for their news. What we're seeing here are desperate measures to try and find a crowd, any crowd.

They had just better keep an eye on things before many of a crowd decide to pack up and go elsewhere.
#11.5 Axon on 19 Feb 2008 - 15:56
Couldn't agree more. For the first time in years, I'm considering not renewing my subscription.

The guy that wrote the 2nd article is every bit as biased as he claims Chris Pirillo is!
#11.6 rm20010 on 20 Feb 2008 - 01:48
Stuff like this shouldn't be on the front page, yes. It should be kept in BPN where it can be discussed and debated to death. That being said, it's the nature of everyone to do this:

Person strongly disagrees with viewpoint: BIASED! UNPROFESSIONAL! FLAMEFEST!
Person strongly agrees with viewpoint: =) =) =)
Person agrees with viewpoint OR people who don't care: (crickets chirping on a quiet warm summer night)
(1 reply) #12 alsheron on 19 Feb 2008 - 13:49
The hypocricy of Neowin knows no bounds. Had a "pleb" posted this, it would have been labelled "flamebait" and the user warned. Give me a brak.
#12.1 RAID 0 on 20 Feb 2008 - 17:11
+1
#13 HawkMan on 19 Feb 2008 - 13:53
The debunker is as wrong as the original writer on the Instant search point though(even if they call it Desktop search, wich is a product for XP and isn't quite the sae as Instant search)
#14 rusmo on 19 Feb 2008 - 14:08
Steven Parker - is your post in that artcle's comments the one by Spyder101? If so, you did more harm than good and it was definitely not any sort of public service for the Windows community. Your post was derisive, sarcastic and lacking in the maturity department. You may have had some good points but they were all smeared with your snarky attitude. It's posts like yours on both sides of the argument that make the debate so contentious and fanboi-ish.

Next time, leave the loser-itude at home and maybe your words will hold some sway.

No, I'm not a Mac-lover. I run a Vista/XP dual-boot setup at home and am as happy and stable as I could wish.
#15 XerXis on 19 Feb 2008 - 14:08
who the hell is john obeto?
#16 +ozzieXP on 19 Feb 2008 - 14:22
nice... i read the whole thing and I can say none of those reasons would make me want to switch.
(1 reply) #17 Typhon on 19 Feb 2008 - 15:07
Hah I thought Chris Pirillo was dead. Hum I remember watching tech t.v in 2003 it sucked and well I thought Chris Pirillo sucked as well. He may have 50 reasons to switch but I have about 200 to stay away from osx.
#17.1 Axon on 19 Feb 2008 - 17:28
Can you start with at least the first 50? I actually wouldn't mind reading them. I've been most pleased since I switched, however I'm just as opened minded right now, as I was before my first switch.
(1 reply) #18 clx on 19 Feb 2008 - 15:07
What a load of .....

I cant believe some of the comments on his site... "good post, im switching now" wtf... are people that blind?
#18.1 starless.bible.black on 19 Feb 2008 - 22:22
yeah, and "I need to print this out like 50 times and put it into my bag" so that every time somebody asks me why I switched I can slap it into his/her face. sheesh, these must be all kids. it's disgusting to read the comments. why am I even writing this, that's just plain stupid and a waste of time. I need to delete the Neowin button from my links now...
#19 morphen on 19 Feb 2008 - 15:23
Excellent power management in OS X. When I close the lid to my MacBook Pro, it falls asleep. When I open the lid to my MacBook Pro, it wakes up. Imagine that! Seems to be the case 99% of the time, and it happens quickly.




Huh, so does my Toshiba laptop with Vista :p
And that IS the case, 100% of the time, unless the battery is completely drained.

Last edited by morphen on 19 Feb 2008 - 16:48
#20 OblivionStalker on 19 Feb 2008 - 15:24
1 Reason why you should stick with your opinions:

People are just trying to get some money by introducing new people to their websites.
(2 replies) #21 bluarash on 19 Feb 2008 - 15:32
I think both Chris Pirillo and Leo Laporte have really gone off the deep end. They have every right to use whatever they want but at least in the case of Leo he has become more a bit a snob (and seems to have resorted to insulting Windows users).

Examples:
1). He plugs the Mac to solutions for everyone who calls into his radio show with a Windows problem.
2). He insults Steve Gibson from Security Now and than proceeds to talk about the Mac (not on a Mac).
3). On Windows Weekly he talks about what Microsoft is doing wrong now and than they spend most of the show talking about cool new Apple products (seems more than a little forced on Paul's part).

Never mind his sex jokes about Micro-soft when referring to... well you know.
#21.1 Mav Phoenix on 19 Feb 2008 - 15:43
I agree, that whole podcast network is basically a get a Mac advertisement.
#21.2 bluarash on 19 Feb 2008 - 16:51
I think we should have seen this coming when he began calling it the TWiT network.

source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/twit
twit (twt)
tr.v. twit·ted, twit·ting, twits
To taunt, ridicule, or tease, especially for embarrassing mistakes or faults. See Synonyms at ridicule.
n.
1. The act or an instance of twitting.
2. A reproach, gibe, or taunt.
3. Slang A foolishly annoying person.

Leo's take:
TWiT = This Week in Tech Network
#22 Mav Phoenix on 19 Feb 2008 - 15:39
50 "reasons" to switch just like Leopard's 300 "new" features. Both sets are not fully warranting that many bullet points.

He is just happy with his new toy, an expensive toy but what else does he have to spend the money on? All he does is sit on camera all day long and get paid for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcPCeD9AVx4

That video really sums up his hypocrisy, unbiased my foot!
#23 +Hell-In-A-Handbasket on 19 Feb 2008 - 15:41
im starting to think some new's people are posting this stuff on front page to start flames

or Parker's work recently switched to Mac and this is Way of Venting so he don't get put on chopping block.

either way because FlameBait has been " News " for past week or 2, iv been looking at " News " Alternatives, i know i wont be missed, opposite likewise

Last edited by Hell-In-A-Handbasket on 19 Feb 2008 - 15:46
(1 reply) #24 Neoauld on 19 Feb 2008 - 15:49
whats with all the stupid Bash vista news lately
is neowin being sponsored by apple or something now
seriously get some real news
#24.1 iSimx on 19 Feb 2008 - 16:42
(Neoauld said @ #24)
whats with all the stupid Bash vista news lately
is neowin being sponsored by apple or something now
seriously get some real news


I thought neowin was being sponsored by microsoft as there was an article on mac fanboys being snobs

you can never win...
#25 SHADOW-XIII on 19 Feb 2008 - 15:54
oh not again :[
Why we are bombed with all those "Switch to linux", "swtich to mac os" ... come one I have enough of this sh*t !!!

I know 1000 more why I WANT to stick to my Windows: "Because it is perfect for me and I have 0 problems with it", why those stupid linux & macos users cannot accept my opinion and try to force me to take their opinion !

I would advice Neowin NoOSPoking policy
#26 C_Guy on 19 Feb 2008 - 15:56
It's nice to see someone taking the time to defeat Apple's Reality Distortion Field with facts. Unfortunately this only angers the Mac audience and tells the PC crowd what we've always known.
#27 eilegz on 19 Feb 2008 - 16:02
i have 1 reason that i cant siwtch to anything other than windows

1- GAMES
#28 QDaMan on 19 Feb 2008 - 16:03
This is the second flame starting article I've seen on the front page in the last week, come on, we know there's not a "better" operating system. A person's choice of OS should be based on personal preference for the flow and style of the OS as well as a few exclusive programs that may be offered by one or the other. In short, choose you OS based on YOUR needs and YOUR wants and don't tell other people that one or the other is "better," it's simply not true today (I'm a mac user btw but I in no way encourage people happy with windows to switch).
#29 5Horizons on 19 Feb 2008 - 16:19
Haha, Chris Pirillo has been becoming more and more irrelevant over the years. His Vista tirades are just him trying to get attention.
#30 sPudz on 19 Feb 2008 - 16:26
lol at this:

VMware Fusion makes it possible to have every operating system at my fingertips (as well as every app that runs on �em, FTW).


you aren't really switching if you're gonna have every type of OS, it's kinda half hearted

The spyware / malware / virus threat is diminished by an extreme degree. Not to say that one should avoid running protective layers of software or hardware, but� I�m just not as nervous when I try a new app on OS X.


I'm not nervous when i install a new app on Vista, because I'm not an idiot who would install a file which I have no idea what it is!

This next one in particular made me lol quite hard at how hes been ripped off on pcs big time:

A Mac costs about the same as a comparable Windows PC


bull****!

I�ve said it before, and I�ll say it again: Windows users need Apple�s software more than Mac users need Microsoft�s.


really now? last time I checked I didn't

these are just my opinions on some of his opinions so make of them what you will.
#31 .kvn on 19 Feb 2008 - 17:04
I thought it was a great article but then again I have switched.
#32 daPhoenix on 19 Feb 2008 - 17:08
There's simply too much non-news on Neowin nowadays - most of them are just blogs or similar "everyone has one" opinions - incidentally they're almost all posted by one single "news poster".
(3 replies) #33 shadowmatt on 19 Feb 2008 - 17:10
Who uses VLc these days. I have never used such a buggy app which throws up more error messages than any other app I have ever used (it doesnt remember the not show errors either)

For OSX use the following

1. Quicktime (Obviously)
2. DivX (plays through Quicktime)
3. Flip4Mac (WMV through Quicktime)
4. Perian (every other codec played through Quicktime)

And if it plays through quicktime most other programs that use video can then also play the file
#33.1 rec_kris on 19 Feb 2008 - 20:32
quicktime + 3 other app/codecs . . .

i guess that's just quicktime "just working"...
#33.2 RealFduch on 20 Feb 2008 - 09:29
(shadowmatt said @ #33)
Who uses VLc these days. I have never used such a buggy app which throws up more error messages than any other app I have ever used (it doesnt remember the not show errors either)

For OSX use the following

1. Quicktime (Obviously)
2. DivX (plays through Quicktime)
3. Flip4Mac (WMV through Quicktime)
4. Perian (every other codec played through Quicktime)

And if it plays through quicktime most other programs that use video can then also play the file

ANd don't forget to pay for Quicktime™ FullScreen™
#33.3 shadowmatt on 20 Feb 2008 - 10:00
(rec_kris said @ #33.1)
quicktime + 3 other app/codecs . . .

i guess that's just quicktime "just working"...


(RealFduch said @ #33.2)
ANd don't forget to pay for Quicktime™ FullScreen™


As with most things in life if you dont know what you are talking about then you shouldnt express an opinion.

1. You have to download the same codecs in Windows as you have to for OSX. Divx, Xvid, mvk etc... That way you can view all of the different video formats on the web, torrent sites, etc...

On Windows you get Windows Media Player and need to download everything else including Quicktime

On OSX you get Quicktime but have to download everything else including Flip4Mac (to play windows media)

2. Quicktime has a full screen option, for free, and Frontrow has always played fullscreen (using quicktime). In the past it didnt though, Quicktime is more than a player, its a video processing application which plugs into a host of other apps. So basically you were paying for a lot of extra functionality, licenses for encoding in certain codecs.

So whats the lesson.

1. In both Windows and OSX you have to download extra codecs to view all available video formats.

2. Both Apple and Microsoft have competing video players

3. Neither companies could distribute all of the available codecs due to licenses and other legalities

4. Certain neowin users need to check their facts
#34 Orlando Rays on 19 Feb 2008 - 17:28
#17's debunk is wrong. I have the retail box for Home Premium. Retail boxes are 32-bit only. You have to get Ultimate to get both.

And the OEMs are all separate.
#35 slang123 on 19 Feb 2008 - 17:29
This is blatant flame baiting on the front page. This guy makes us OSX users look like idiots. Each OS have different qualities, and people aren't gonna change their opinions of what's better based on some guys "great list why this is better than this".
Nuf said
#36 The Grasshopper on 19 Feb 2008 - 17:40
i am really sick of these "mine is better than yours or Do the Switch" OS bull. Who cares. there is no better OS anymore. They all do the same thing. offices use os's from 2000 or xp. home user's use xp,vista or mac. so what, who cares. enough is enough. geez.
#37 Jock Horror on 19 Feb 2008 - 18:41
I will give you only one reason:

1. Vista

*cool*
(2 replies) #38 m-p{3} on 19 Feb 2008 - 18:55
Let's me fix this
50 reasons he switched from Windows to OS X.

An OS is only a matter of personal taste and functionnality needs. Somebody who need as much resources as possible won't turn over to a system that use some of these resources to make the OS more pretty and fancy.

I want an OS that does the job, and that does it efficiently and at the lowest cost possible.
#38.1 MajinDark on 19 Feb 2008 - 19:41
(m-p{3} said @ #3
Let's me fix this
50 reasons he switched from Windows to OS X.

An OS is only a matter of personal taste and functionnality needs. Somebody who need as much resources as possible won't turn over to a system that use some of these resources to make the OS more pretty and fancy.

I want an OS that does the job, and that does it efficiently and at the lowest cost possible.


Then that excludes the Mac. I don't need a $2000 machine to do something I can do on an $800 machine with similar specs.
#38.2 +DrunkenMaster on 20 Feb 2008 - 04:47
[quote=MajinDark said,#38.1][quote=m-p{3} said,#38]Let's me fix this

Then that excludes the Mac. I don't need a $2000 machine to do something I can do on an $800 machine with similar specs.[/quote]

I'm a Mac user. I do think that you're quite right. Chris' blog could easily have gone down to 10 reasons .... but 10 easy points to counter for + Windows.

I'd say if I went back to Windows, I'd probably only use it for one program. There's a number of technical reasons to explain why OS X is better than Windows or vice versa. I've just found that with some 80+ apps (mostly freeware and a few games) my iMac runs w/o any problems ... compared to huge registry, glitches, freezes and slow downs I've had with Windows on a similar setup system. Install more than 10 apps in Windows, regardless of wether its running or not and the kind/quality of hardware, and the OS would self-distruct.

I'm more productive on my Mac, not because my OS or my software is vastly different, just that Apple thought of a lot of neat things like Automator, panes for windows to display extra info., that just make things easier and more enjoyable.

The premium on the hardware is worth it. That said, since the time i bought my iMac G5, Quad Core chips were released, RAM prices etc have plummeted. I'm no gamer ... but in last 3 years Apple hardware prices are not reflective of current market realities and PC value for money has shot up. Then again higher margins is keeping Apple aflot and the industry down and Apple is not not afraid to keep prices up.
(2 replies) #39 -Razorfold on 19 Feb 2008 - 19:57
I will say only one word:

1. Boobies.

Now move along kiddies...no need to repeat what like half of neowin has already said.
#39.1 nonick on 20 Feb 2008 - 03:29
(-Razorfold said @ #39)
I will say only one word:

1. Boobies.

Now move along kiddies...no need to repeat what like half of neowin has already said.


#39.2 +DrunkenMaster on 20 Feb 2008 - 04:30
Thanks for the summary. But I missed that one. It musn't be on the Blog but on Google somewhere?!
#40 hagjohn on 19 Feb 2008 - 20:33
How is this even news? Someone's idiotic opinions should not be on the main page, IMO.
(2 replies) #41 Borbus on 19 Feb 2008 - 21:14
51 Reasons to switch to Linux

All of the above +

51. It's free.
#41.1 rm20010 on 20 Feb 2008 - 01:58
Half of those reasons don't exist for Linux, i.e. iLife. But then again most reasons are questionable to begin with.

In conclusion: FAIL. =)
#41.2 Borbus on 20 Feb 2008 - 02:18
Oh... the article was way too long and about OS X so I called tl;dr after the second word. I assumed it would be about the real advantages OS X has over Windows...
#42 Dr_Asik on 19 Feb 2008 - 21:38
Poor argumentation on both sides. Most of Chris Pirillo's "reasons" are not really "reasons" at all: so what, most browsers that work on Windows work on OSX, that's not an argument for preferring OSX over Windows! And point #1 and 2 in the refutation actually don't debunk the arguments, simply push the discussion forward.

What a waste of time.
#43 osirisX on 19 Feb 2008 - 22:08
Unprofessional journalism doesn't look better in this case.
#44 Lexcyn on 19 Feb 2008 - 22:26
Chris Pirillo is a flake IMO.

The only way someone would switch to another OS is if it suited their needs, not because someone posts 50 reasons on their blog.
#45 +macf13nd on 19 Feb 2008 - 22:27
flamebait, no?
(1 reply) #46 Erich on 19 Feb 2008 - 22:48
I really didn't want to waste more time with this article than I already have, but both sides are just asking to get flamed with their 1sidedness. In any case, the reply guy was absolutely wrong about Vista being simpler than mac networking wise. XP is WAYYYYYY easier to deal with than Vista is networking-wise. Networking with a mac is about on par with XP, just prettier is all.
#46.1 MioTheGreat on 20 Feb 2008 - 05:30
Perhaps you only think the XP system is better because you're used to it. It's kind of clunky, once you get used to Vista's, you get a lot of pretty powerful stuff that XP can't do. Network profiles, Spectacular support for simultaneously being on multiple networks, etc.
(2 replies) #47 ThePitt on 19 Feb 2008 - 22:58
OS X can run with a 128MB machine?. No, right?. Not even ubuntu. XP can. 2k can. So why bother me with this ****
#47.1 Hurmoth on 19 Feb 2008 - 23:49
384 MB of system memory is the minimum requirement for Ubuntu Desktop and 64 MB of system memory for Ubuntu Server.
#47.2 Borbus on 20 Feb 2008 - 03:13
XP can run with 64MB of RAM, just not very well at all. OSX is a lot more bloated than XP of course with stuff that people like, though, like 3D desktop, indexing etc. Ubuntu is also bloated. The high RAM requirement with Ubuntu is mostly due to Gnome. You could run the windows, linux and mach kernels on PCs with bugger all RAM, it's the bloat that uses it.
#48 Dashel on 19 Feb 2008 - 23:40
Chris has never been relevent, just a tool.
#49 Magallanes on 19 Feb 2008 - 23:47
Two words :

STOP PROSELYTISM!
#50 archer75 on 20 Feb 2008 - 00:26
I have used OS X quite a bit, and while I like it, it does have it's flaws. A number of little things that just drive me nuts.
#51 RealFduch on 20 Feb 2008 - 00:48
"Longhorn 2003"?
Is he mad? I don't think so. He's just a liar.
#52 RealFduch on 20 Feb 2008 - 00:50
SH*T ALERT
#53 TC17 on 20 Feb 2008 - 01:59
I've never liked Chris when he was on Call For Help, when I watched years ago. He is just some kid who thinks he knows everything, when he knows nothing.

Most off of his points are pure BS.
#54 kouhii00 on 20 Feb 2008 - 02:57
Instead of switching to OSX. This guy should switch to a LIFE, the one where you go outdoor and breath fresh air because this guy's brain lacks oxygen...
(2 replies) #55 ajua on 20 Feb 2008 - 03:44
we need someone to mod this kinds of posts because is really annoying to see people argue about OS's all the time, when most of the arguments are nothing but just persnal preferences and sometimes just wrong facts.

say NO to flame wars on OS's!
#55.1 osirisX on 20 Feb 2008 - 05:21
Neobond, the creator of Neowin, posted this
#55.2 daPhoenix on 20 Feb 2008 - 08:12
(osirisX said @ #55.1)
Neobond, the creator of Neowin, posted this

Perhaps it's time for him to take off the "blog shades" and start posting some real news instead of blatant net trolling.
(1 reply) #56 k311 on 20 Feb 2008 - 03:49
as a linux user i must say that is an incredibly stupid list
#56.1 al11588 on 20 Feb 2008 - 08:40
+1 and i am the one who hates linux.
#57 XDViPeR on 20 Feb 2008 - 05:04
Ehh another Mac Fan boy. Goddamit stop bashing Vista. I <3 Vista!
(4 replies) #58 medafor on 20 Feb 2008 - 05:34
I have been a PC user since they days of DOS even before windows 3.1. I just switched to Leopard after more than a decade of microsofts crap. Vista sucks. Leopards OS destroys Vista, Time Machine, Spaces, Stacks, Dock, Expose, boot camp, they increase my work flow dramatically. What does vista have... UAC (which is the dumbest, most annoying, thing ever), Flip 3d (lol), worst than that, sidebar(a joke), the rest is XP. its highly prone to viruses and spyware. And since Windows has all the games and programs, you can use leopards bootcamp or vmware fusion. Vista or XP is just plain nasty and dated, still has some window 98 components embeded. what got me interested in leopard was my iphone's os, compared to my windows moble os. I figure if there phone was this great , there os would crush microsofts, i was right . I use my HP Core duo to run OS X lol, everything runs perfect at real benchmark speeds. I cant afford a real MAC. I used to be anti mac, until i actually used it in my daily workflow, anyone who used both operating systems will know this. Any of you "Stop bashing vista" guys, give me a ist of feature which makes windows better than leopard and maybe I will think about switching back, lol.

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#58.1 Mav Phoenix on 20 Feb 2008 - 12:10
Do your own research. Then again you already made up your mind and probably wont see reason or logic just the latest from Apple.
#58.2 RAID 0 on 20 Feb 2008 - 17:32
@Medafor

Leopards OS destroys Vista, Time Machine, Spaces, Stacks, Dock, Expose, boot camp, they increase my work flow dramatically.


So Leopard destroys things that are built into the OS. Got it.

And since Windows has all the games and programs, you can use leopards bootcamp or vmware fusion. Vista or XP is just plain nasty and dated, still has some window 98 components embedded.


So Vista and XP suck... but when you want to use the programs that you can't use in Leopard, just install Vista or XP. Got it.

I figure if there phone was this great , there os would crush Microsoft's, i was right.


You were right about OS X "crushing" Microsoft's OS. Care to look at Vista's market share vs. Apple's? Yep. Microsoft is sure being crushed. Yep.

I really hope English is not your first language. If it is, you might want to go back to school.
#58.3 medafor on 20 Feb 2008 - 18:39
(RAID 0 said @ #58.2)
@Medafor

Leopards OS destroys Vista, Time Machine, Spaces, Stacks, Dock, Expose, boot camp, they increase my work flow dramatically.


So Leopard destroys things that are built into the OS. Got it.

And since Windows has all the games and programs, you can use leopards bootcamp or vmware fusion. Vista or XP is just plain nasty and dated, still has some window 98 components embedded.


So Vista and XP suck... but when you want to use the programs that you can't use in Leopard, just install Vista or XP. Got it.

I figure if there phone was this great , there os would crush Microsoft's, i was right.


You were right about OS X "crushing" Microsoft's OS. Care to look at Vista's market share vs. Apple's? Yep. Microsoft is sure being crushed. Yep.

I really hope English is not your first language. If it is, you might want to go back to school.


LOL nice try, you still didn't give any reason not to switch to Mac, instead you came with the typical "correct your grammar" flame, bad grammar or not, I still probably make more money than you, so how much does grammar matter after high school, lol. Sorry my essay didn't get an A+, teacher.
#58.4 RAID 0 on 20 Feb 2008 - 19:09
(medafor said @ #58.3)
(RAID 0 said @ #58.2)
@Medafor

Leopards OS destroys Vista, Time Machine, Spaces, Stacks, Dock, Expose, boot camp, they increase my work flow dramatically.


So Leopard destroys things that are built into the OS. Got it.

And since Windows has all the games and programs, you can use leopards bootcamp or vmware fusion. Vista or XP is just plain nasty and dated, still has some window 98 components embedded.


So Vista and XP suck... but when you want to use the programs that you can't use in Leopard, just install Vista or XP. Got it.

I figure if there phone was this great , there os would crush Microsoft's, i was right.


You were right about OS X "crushing" Microsoft's OS. Care to look at Vista's market share vs. Apple's? Yep. Microsoft is sure being crushed. Yep.

I really hope English is not your first language. If it is, you might want to go back to school.


LOL nice try, you still didn't give any reason not to switch to Mac, instead you came with the typical "correct your grammar" flame, bad grammar or not, I still probably make more money than you, so how much does grammar matter after high school, lol. Sorry my essay didn't get an A+, teacher.


You might make more money than I do at this point in my life. I really don't care how much money you make or how many men you've slept with, that's really not my concern. I'm not here to try to tell you to switch to a different OS. I could care less what OS you use. It really seems that only the Mac fans have a hard-on to try to get people to change.
(1 reply) #59 Inqu on 20 Feb 2008 - 06:51
Do macs support mice with more than one button already?
#59.1 dp123 on 20 Feb 2008 - 16:10
for at least half a decade already
#60 vetJames7 on 20 Feb 2008 - 13:25
I think it would be cool to make a new list that is actually fair and addresses needs people here at Neowin have.

You could have three groups of people. One group supports the case for Windows. One for Mac. One for Linux.

Each one takes turns at saying what particular feature is better about its choice for OS. The other two respond.

For example, you start with the Windows team saying 'Windows has [special feature], and that is good because of [reasons].'
Then, the Mac team and the Linux team would either support or debunk that claim, depending on whether or not Mac or Linux has that feature, or something similar.
Then it would be the Mac team's turn. Then the Linux team's. Then back to the Windows team. You keep going until you've exhausted every feature you can think of.

This might produce comparisons that are a bit fairer instead of all these 'why my OS is a million times better than yours' stories that only irritate people.
#61 shadowmatt on 20 Feb 2008 - 14:12
/\ /\ /\

A good idea in principle and its probably been done somewhere on the internet.

Problems you will always hit are as follows:

1. The personal insults, flaming etc... Some people actually take it personally when you discuss an operating systems failures.

2. Most people who consider them selves "experts" dont have the first clue. Look at the above arguments, about mouse buttons, codecs, prices.

3. In most cases you are asking for opinions and not facts. This leads to arguments and not answers.

4. Most Windows users have never used a Mac or Linux. Those that have usually have not spent long enough on it make an educated evaluation. Some people give up just because the window controls are in a different place, its just not for them.
#62 Albert on 21 Feb 2008 - 05:39
geez. chris pirillo was barely watchable when he was on tech tv. at the moment, he's like a pimple on every windows users' face, and everyone just couldn't wait to give him the squeeze ...

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