Will XP SP3 Slow Vista`s Adoption?

Analysts say that the more secure, stable and reliable Windows XP is, the less reason businesses have to upgrade to Vista in a hurry. The upcoming release of Windows XP Service Pack 3 will further slow the rate of business adoption of Windows Vista by extending the life of the older operating system, some analysts say.

Microsoft quietly released Windows XP Service Pack 3 Release Candidate 2 to the masses Feb. 19. But the company finds itself in a Catch-22, given its need to provide comprehensive security to protect its large installed base of business customers still running XP while, at the same time, encouraging those customers to upgrade to the new Vista operating system. But the more secure, stable and reliable XP is, the less reason they have to upgrade in a hurry.

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Where I work, I think we're a good year out before I think my company plans to make the shift to Vista. We have larger projects to get done like going from a Novell shop to a Windows Managed shop. I think eventually the shop will go to Vista. The learning curve for Vista does take some time to learn where everything is, but when Microsoft says XP will no longer be supported in the Enterprise area then people will have to migrate. I think that this will splinter the market even further having to support XP, and Vista but Microsoft will if it makes financial sense to do so if not for any other reason. They have to make $$.

Just my two cents

Businesses will run Windows XP for another 5 years before considering to upgrade. I had to downgrade 500 new laptops from Vista to XP.

(hardgiant said @ #18)
Businesses will run Windows XP for another 5 years before considering to upgrade. I had to downgrade 500 new laptops from Vista to XP.

Absolutely right,

most people don't realize how far off business users are from using Vista, they almost all use uncommon software applications that are specific to their business that just don't work on Vista.

I use Vista at home, but their is nothing as fast as a nice clean install of XP with a Gig of RAM.

> Will XP SP3 Slow Vista`s Adoption?

Of course not.

Vista is the reason of Vista's slow adoption and nothing else. Stop looking for scapegoats.

(_dandy_ said @ #17)
> Will XP SP3 Slow Vista`s Adoption?

Of course not.

Vista is the reason of Vista's slow adoption and nothing else. Stop looking for scapegoats.


It's not looking for scapegoats. It's a hypothesis about a future event.

If it was what you were suggesting, the article would be about a current slowdown in sales.

(_dandy_ said @ #17)
Vista is the reason of Vista's slow adoption and nothing else. Stop looking for scapegoats.

No, I think that XP is a quite solid OS now is definitely contributory to this. If XP was worse off, and Vista were where it is now, there'd be more clear advantages to using Vista.

that's a ridiculous thing to say. Even if Vista were exceptional, if big company's corporate needs were satisfied by a comprehensive final SP like XP SP3 then it wouldn't be a cost effective or sensible decision to take.

For us, it will slow adoption. In a corporate environment, 99.9% of them could care less about DirectX 10 or the fancy new interface. For many, change = bad. We even have our Windows XP looking like Windows 2000, which looked like Windows 98 because users are comfortable with it. Forcing change just causes more calls to the help desk. Anyone who likes the Luna interface can simply switch to it.

Sure, I can change Vista to (sort of) look like Windows 2000 as well, but at that point we aren't gaining many benefits. The only other three features we were interested in were:

1) Bitlocker - which requires Enterprise Edition, which in turn requires Software Assurance on Desktop OS, which costs a lot of money. When we buy our desktops, they come with Vista Business anyways, so Software Assurance is wasted money. Still, even then, the feature not a huge deal to us, and we could easily use 3rd party software if we wanted.

2) Desktop Optimization Pack - similar to the above, but simply requires Software Assurance. Again, not worth the HUGE investment it is.

3) Single Sign-on to Terminal Servers. We didn't invest a lot in Citrix and instead use Terminal Server company-wide. However, users hate having to sign in twice, once to their desktop, and once to Terminal Server. With Vista and 2008, true Single Sign-On is supported. Its now being back-ported to XP SP3 (and I've tested this, it works!), which is great.

99% of our fleet would run Vista miserably but run XP very fast because of how much memory they have. Why spend about $4 million on desktops just to run a new operating system that won't improve efficiency of our users?

We'll go to Vista, eventually, once XP starts to fall out of support, and when your average $500 corporate desktop runs Vista well, and fast. Right now, any desktop in that price range will run XP much better than Vista.

But for now XP SP3 will be a great addition and will help offset the 100 post-SP2 patches we have to regularly deal with. The Single Sign-On (for us) just takes the cake.

agressiv

Perfectly sensible. XP SP3 is excellent for corporate environments, there's no need to change just for the sake of change.

Vista is a good product, but sensible business practices would tell you have to already have PCs and software that are able to take advantage of its new features to consider the outlay of upgrading to it (unless it happened to be your business' "upgrade" season).

Will XP SP3 Slow Vista`s Adoption?

Yes. Give us DirectX 10, longer support and reintroduction to stores, and we won't find a reason to purchase your product. Sorry Vista crows, but the rest of the world doesn't likes it. Not even people that are forced to buy it. I guess I should wear my anti-flamethrower wielding troll protection suit.

(Azmodan said @ #15)
Will XP SP3 Slow Vista`s Adoption?

Yes. Give us DirectX 10, longer support and reintroduction to stores, and we won't find a reason to purchase your product. Sorry Vista crows, but the rest of the world doesn't likes it. Not even people that are forced to buy it. I guess I should wear my anti-flamethrower wielding troll protection suit. :(


Yes, nothing like a bit of flame baiting to set your day going.

Dx10 is the only feature of Vista useful for you? Seeing as you describe Vista users a crows (i.e. people using it solely because they're attracted to shiny things, oh so funny), wouldn't that make you a crow for wanting Dx10 shinies?

(Kirkburn said @ #15.1)

Yes, nothing like a bit of flame baiting to set your day going.

Dx10 is the only feature of Vista useful for you? Seeing as you describe Vista users a crows (i.e. people using it solely because they're attracted to shiny things, oh so funny), wouldn't that make you a crow for wanting Dx10 shinies?

Oh Snap!

(Azmodan said @ #15)
Will XP SP3 Slow Vista`s Adoption?
wouldn't that make you a crow for wanting Dx10 shinies?

OpenGL 3.0 > DX10.

OpenGL runs on XP, Linux, OS X, PS3, Wii, and various portable devices. What is DX10 compatible with? Not even the Xbox 360 fully supports DX10.

MS shot itself in the foot--because of its greed.

(toadeater said @ #15.3)
OpenGL 3.0 > DX10.

Which is entirely irrelevant to the post and article, but it's always good to hear an off-topic rant.

Um, this doesn't work for me. I downloaded it (38.0KB), opened it up, and it flashed up a command prompt box, and that was it. I looked at the installation, and all it does is delete a registry key and add a new one.

(MightyJordan said @ #14)
Um, this doesn't work for me. I downloaded it (38.0KB), opened it up, and it flashed up a command prompt box, and that was it. I looked at the installation, and all it does is delete a registry key and add a new one.

It sets a registry key that makes the service pack visible in Windows Update. Run WU or just wait a few days and you should get it.

"Analysts say that the more secure, stable and reliable Windows XP is, the less reason businesses have to upgrade to Vista in a hurry. The upcoming release of Windows XP Service Pack 3 will further slow the rate of business adoption of Windows Vista by extending the life of the older operating system, some analysts say."


The article says UPGRADE to Vista. Why would business need to upgrade all their machines if XP is doing well?


Not that they would not buy new PCs with Vista...

XP is clean, stable and fast. I like it that way. It runs clean, stable and fast on my P4 2.4 office workstation!!!

Vista would run like a hog on this system and it would also mean i have to use that over complicated GUI, no way!

How much RAM do you have in that machine? I ran Vista on a P4 3.0 Ghz with 2 GB of RAM for months on end of straight uptime and it ran smoothly.

Since it's been a year since Vista's been out, most businesses and individuals have decided when and if they will upgrade to Vista. Most decision-makers would have taken into account how well their XP SP2 machines work now and knowing that a third service pack was scheduled. Now that SP3 is near official release it shouldn't change many of these decisions. If it does it shows a real lack of planning.

I can't wait for XP SP3. Will it slow Vista's adoption, no! Will it speed Vista's adoption no! People interested in Vista have already tried it, even if only installing Ultimate in 90 day (continual) evaluation mode - put me right off! One thing I am sure is, once XP is no longer sold, there will be one hell of a market for the WinXP "product keys" off company PC's. The "Devils Own" will start making the rounds again!

Now when Microsoft have finished Hyper-V I will be buying a new super spec'ed laptop, to run either Vista Basic or Windows 2008 server, just to use Hyper-V, I just cant wait.

(If there is anyone who has got ( Linux ) Xen working on a laptop successfully, I'd love to know a book, hardware and distro to use !)

(boho said @ #8)
I can't wait for XP SP3. Will it slow Vista's adoption, no! Will it speed Vista's adoption no! People interested in Vista have already tried it, even if only installing Ultimate in 90 day (continual) evaluation mode - put me right off! One thing I am sure is, once XP is no longer sold, there will be one hell of a market for the WinXP "product keys" off company PC's. The "Devils Own" will start making the rounds again!

Now when Microsoft have finished Hyper-V I will be buying a new super spec'ed laptop, to run either Vista Basic or Windows 2008 server, just to use Hyper-V, I just cant wait.

(If there is anyone who has got ( Linux ) Xen working on a laptop successfully, I'd love to know a book, hardware and distro to use !) :wub:

Swiping OEM keys? Devils Own? Sounds like you just don't want to pay for it...

(GreyWolfSC said @ #8.1)
Swiping OEM keys? Devils Own? Sounds like you just don't want to pay for it...


One thing I am sure is, once XP is no longer sold, there will be one hell of a market for the WinXP "product keys" off company PC's.


Sounds like you can't read. Unquestioning love for a corporation is not natural.

(ANova said @ #8.2)

Sounds like you can't read. Unquestioning love for a corporation is not natural.

What are you on about? I can read fine. The timing of XP availability has nothing to do with illegally trading product keys. Business machine keys must stay with the machine they came with, and the Devil's Own crap is illegal in the first place. I don't "love" any corporations, where did you get that from? Attacking people (and corporations) with no provocation is not natural either, but they do make a medicine to help you with that.

(GreyWolfSC said @ #8.3)
Swiping OEM keys? Devils Own? Sounds like you just don't want to pay for it...

(GreyWolfSC said @ #8.3)
What are you on about? I can read fine. The timing of XP availability has nothing to do with illegally trading product keys. Business machine keys must stay with the machine they came with, and the Devil's Own crap is illegal in the first place. I don't "love" any corporations, where did you get that from? Attacking people (and corporations) with no provocation is not natural either, but they do make a medicine to help you with that.

Well you won't be on my "WinXP OEM product key"Christmas list :nuts: This is a Steve Ballmer rant - poor hard-up Microsoft! I wonder if you have ever stolen a pen from work, used the company phone for your own use, used a bit of shareware after you should have purchased it, or ever stolen anything in your life! READ the post, (and start collecting OEM keys) arse! Have I put an idea in people's head? Surely not! Oh, and it's never troubled Microsoft (breaking the law)

(boho said @ #8.4)

Well you won't be on my "WinXP OEM product key"Christmas list :nuts: This is a Steve Ballmer rant - poor hard-up Microsoft! I wonder if you have ever stolen a pen from work, used the company phone for your own use, used a bit of shareware after you should have purchased it, or ever stolen anything in your life! READ the post, (and start collecting OEM keys) arse! Have I put an idea in people's head? Surely not! Oh, and it's never troubled Microsoft (breaking the law)


Wow ... just wow.

I wonder how far such justifications go. Do you eventually get to the point of justifying stealing a car, or is it just software?

(Kirkburn said @ #8.5)
I wonder how far such justifications go. Do you eventually get to the point of justifying stealing a car, or is it just software?

Another angel who has never cheated anyone of anything, coming up with a totally stupid analogy. Try reading the post Quote:

"One thing I am sure is, once XP is no longer sold, there will be one hell of a market for the WinXP "product keys" off company PC's. The "Devils Own" will start making the rounds again!"

Do I care whether people do this - no! However, I do wonder how many class actions and court cases Microsoft have lost over the years? I can't believe the hypocrisy of some people, or the inability to comprehend a simple statement.

Microsoft will either continue allowing activation after XP is no longer sold, or they will release a patch to remove it. They are not going to screw over all their existing XP customers just because they no longer sell the OS. As for people who still want to buy it, that's not going to be a problem. You can still buy Windows 3.1 if you want for crying out loud, there is no justification for pirating it. The whole "you've never stolen a pen from work" type of excuses are really stupid, and calling people names and being a smart aleck isn't helping you any by the way.

(boho said @ #8.6)

Another angel who has never cheated anyone of anything, coming up with a totally stupid analogy. Try reading the post Quote:

"One thing I am sure is, once XP is no longer sold, there will be one hell of a market for the WinXP "product keys" off company PC's. The "Devils Own" will start making the rounds again!"

Do I care whether people do this - no! However, I do wonder how many class actions and court cases Microsoft have lost over the years? I can't believe the hypocrisy of some people, or the inability to comprehend a simple statement. :wacko:

Anus.

(boho said @ #8.6)

Another angel who has never cheated anyone of anything, coming up with a totally stupid analogy. Try reading the post


Pity I wasn't quoting what you thought I was quoting.

Here's a software issue from the Civil Engineering side of things. We use Autocad for our drawings. We just bought 25 seats of version 2007, plus we run 2004, 2005, and 2006. Windows Vista compatibility didn't start until Autodesk released version 2008. If we were to "upgrade" to the Vista platform in our office, we would have NO choice but to eat the cost of our recent purchases, and shell out the money to buy 55 seats of Autocad 2008. That is a HUGE amount of cash to put out just to move to a pretty interface. To us, and probably most small/ medium businesses like us, that is NOT an option.

I almost forgot Autocad 2008 is NOT compatable with projects from previous versions either. So we would spend the added time of recreating all of our projects for the new format.............just thought I would clarify that neat little tidbit.

(pixelrider said @ #7)
I almost forgot Autocad 2008 is NOT compatable with projects from previous versions either. So we would spend the added time of recreating all of our projects for the new format.............just thought I would clarify that neat little tidbit.

That's garbage. I'm running '08 and have no problems opening files/projects from previous versions.

So Vista's been out a year. You "just" bought a bunch of licenses for 2007 which (supposedly) doesn't run on Vista. I'd ask your tech department what the **** they were thinking. XP's retirement is inevitable. At some point it will happen. So why not get the latest version that runs on both operating systems to keep Vista upgrading an option?

Right. That makes too much sense!

Oops, never mind. You seem to think Vista is just a "pretty interface" so clearly you know very little about computers, especially Windows. Don't quit your day job.

Thanks to LipSmacker for clarifying your incorrect clarification.

If 2008 was already out when you decided splurge on 2007, then you suck at shopping (unless 2007 was significantly cheaper than 2008.)

(Shiranui said @ #7.4)
If 2008 was already out when you decided splurge on 2007, then you suck at shopping (unless 2007 was significantly cheaper than 2008.)

two words: shot down.

I bet that the Vista crows won't like this article as well. (Crows like things just because they are shiny.)

(SniperX said @ #6.3)
Pssst. Just so you don't use this old myth to argue another point in the future...

http://archives.stupidquestion.net/sq11702.html

That article contained a whole lot of "likely" and a lot of lacking solid evidence for either way, just anecdotal stuff from a single guy's observations? *shrug*
But in all these cases, the items are probably perceived as potential food

And it is likely that the shape of the object is more important

It̢۪s likely the birds simply consider them a meal, and dump them later when it̢۪s clear they̢۪re not.

Huh? What the hell was that? :-) It would score an F as a scientific paper.

What's the big deal? If you have the $$ and the hardware for Vista, it works....
I've had Vista on my Dell E1505 for almost a year, no problems. Now, if you have
a slow P4, with less than a gig of memory, yep, you'll have problems.
What I would like to see (but MS would never do it) is when you try to install
a new OS, it would look at your hardware, and if the hardware will not support
it, it will refuse to install.
I think Apple does something similar to this?

Microsoft is doing that too.. Since Windows 95 if not earlier. But the minimum configuration is so minimal that Windows would refuse to install on very few computers.

I stick to WinXP is because of software compatibility. In case someone asks what software I'm having problem with, Maple 11.0 and WS_FTP 2007 v1.0 don't run in Vista. And, those are the two software I use a lot.

(Davebo said @ #4.3)

You've tested those versions and confirmed they work under Vista, Mav Phoenix? Because the OP states the software doesn't run under Vista. Words on a website mean nothing without results.

You have to have a valid purchase code to get the Maple upgrade... That could be the problem? And I just tested WS_FTP. Works fine.

(Davebo said @ #4.3)

You've tested those versions and confirmed they work under Vista, Mav Phoenix? Because the OP states the software doesn't run under Vista. Words on a website mean nothing without results.


If the developers say it works then there is no reason it shouldn't work. I don't need to run it myself to understand that. The OPs post are just "words on a website" too btw.

(Mav Phoenix said @ #4.5)
The OPs post are just "words on a website" too btw.

That's just a plain stupid remark. He's not trying to sell the software, so he lacks the bias one might find on a product website. :-p

I've had "Vista compatible" apps still with some Vista issues, it wouldn't be news. One of the most common problems use to be those "Vista compatible" apps not released in a 64 bit counterpart and having their shell extensions bomb on the 64 bit edition. If a website just claims something is "Vista compatible" (like Maplesoft), there's no way for you reading on the website to determine whether they actually have a 64 bit version ready for that Vista edition, whether it uses shell extensions, ... And that's just one of those annoying examples that can be "hidden" in cases like these unless you actually try the software and read some fine print hidden somewhere.

The only thing we DO know is that they're trying to sell their software.

Add Star Wars Rogue Squadron to that list. There are many other such legacy games/apps that I use and Vista just doesn't support them. And from what I hear, SP1 breaks even more apps.

For me, XP supports all the apps I want to or would use, and I'll move to Vista or later if and only if I need to use an app that runs only on Vista or higher.

(Swordnyx said @ #3.1)
Seriously why do people add BS like this? Idiots..


Remember the world is filled with arrogant and dumb people.. But in the end it's always their loss, all we have to do is just ignore them.

(Skyfrog said @ #3.3)
The article did not say XP SP3 was more secure than Vista. Reading comprehension is your friend.

Indeed. Fool needs to go back to elementary school.

No, but it's going to save a lot of cumulative updates to do at each reinstall. End-users are mostly attracted with nice looking operating systems, and with computers today Vista doesn't run much slower than it was. Business computers might however prefer XP for it's small memory footprint compared to Vista, so it's only a matter of taste and needs.

(Jugalator said @ #1.1)
Yeah, of course many will use what they prefer, but the question is if this will make more people prefer to stick with XP.

Neither SP3 nor SP1 dramatically change the playing field. SP3 offers near zero performance improvements, and SP1 still doesn't make Vista faster, more stable, and leaner than XP. It doesn't make that much difference in the home, but businesses are still better off sticking with XP until Vista's numerous problems are resolved satisfactorily.

Vista is the only thing stopping people from adopting Vista. People don't "prefer" XP, they just don't want to throw their $$$ and their time away messing with Vista. What's the benefit? Where's the wow? What made me go "wow" is how fast the Ubuntu live CD with Compiz ran. MS still can't even make an OS that detects hardware on the fly. Compare Linux hardware detection with XP and Vista--what a *@&$^*!&%$! joke.

(toadeater said @ #1.2)
Neither SP3 nor SP1 dramatically change the playing field. SP3 offers near zero performance improvements

Actually, XP SP3 is known to show a 10% improvement over XP SP2, which is a great thing since Vista SP1 has little or no performance improvements.