Analysts say that the more secure, stable and reliable Windows XP is, the less reason businesses have to upgrade to Vista in a hurry. The upcoming release of Windows XP Service Pack 3 will further slow the rate of business adoption of Windows Vista by extending the life of the older operating system, some analysts say.
Microsoft quietly released Windows XP Service Pack 3 Release Candidate 2 to the masses Feb. 19. But the company finds itself in a Catch-22, given its need to provide comprehensive security to protect its large installed base of business customers still running XP while, at the same time, encouraging those customers to upgrade to the new Vista operating system. But the more secure, stable and reliable XP is, the less reason they have to upgrade in a hurry.
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Microsoft quietly released Windows XP Service Pack 3 Release Candidate 2 to the masses Feb. 19. But the company finds itself in a Catch-22, given its need to provide comprehensive security to protect its large installed base of business customers still running XP while, at the same time, encouraging those customers to upgrade to the new Vista operating system. But the more secure, stable and reliable XP is, the less reason they have to upgrade in a hurry.
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Neither SP3 nor SP1 dramatically change the playing field. SP3 offers near zero performance improvements, and SP1 still doesn't make Vista faster, more stable, and leaner than XP. It doesn't make that much difference in the home, but businesses are still better off sticking with XP until Vista's numerous problems are resolved satisfactorily.
Vista is the only thing stopping people from adopting Vista. People don't "prefer" XP, they just don't want to throw their $$$ and their time away messing with Vista. What's the benefit? Where's the wow? What made me go "wow" is how fast the Ubuntu live CD with Compiz ran. MS still can't even make an OS that detects hardware on the fly. Compare Linux hardware detection with XP and Vista--what a *@&$^*!&%$! joke.
Actually, XP SP3 is known to show a 10% improvement over XP SP2, which is a great thing since Vista SP1 has little or no performance improvements.
Remember the world is filled with arrogant and dumb people.. But in the end it's always their loss, all we have to do is just ignore them.
Indeed. Fool needs to go back to elementary school.
http://www.wsftp.com/products/ws_ftp_home/...equirements.asp
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http://www.wsftp.com/products/ws_ftp_home/...equirements.asp
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You've tested those versions and confirmed they work under Vista, Mav Phoenix? Because the OP states the software doesn't run under Vista. Words on a website mean nothing without results.
http://www.wsftp.com/products/ws_ftp_home/...equirements.asp
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You've tested those versions and confirmed they work under Vista, Mav Phoenix? Because the OP states the software doesn't run under Vista. Words on a website mean nothing without results.
You have to have a valid purchase code to get the Maple upgrade... That could be the problem? And I just tested WS_FTP. Works fine.
http://www.wsftp.com/products/ws_ftp_home/...equirements.asp
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You've tested those versions and confirmed they work under Vista, Mav Phoenix? Because the OP states the software doesn't run under Vista. Words on a website mean nothing without results.
If the developers say it works then there is no reason it shouldn't work. I don't need to run it myself to understand that. The OPs post are just "words on a website" too btw.
That's just a plain stupid remark. He's not trying to sell the software, so he lacks the bias one might find on a product website. :-p
I've had "Vista compatible" apps still with some Vista issues, it wouldn't be news. One of the most common problems use to be those "Vista compatible" apps not released in a 64 bit counterpart and having their shell extensions bomb on the 64 bit edition. If a website just claims something is "Vista compatible" (like Maplesoft), there's no way for you reading on the website to determine whether they actually have a 64 bit version ready for that Vista edition, whether it uses shell extensions, ... And that's just one of those annoying examples that can be "hidden" in cases like these unless you actually try the software and read some fine print hidden somewhere.
The only thing we DO know is that they're trying to sell their software.
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For me, XP supports all the apps I want to or would use, and I'll move to Vista or later if and only if I need to use an app that runs only on Vista or higher.
I've had Vista on my Dell E1505 for almost a year, no problems. Now, if you have
a slow P4, with less than a gig of memory, yep, you'll have problems.
What I would like to see (but MS would never do it) is when you try to install
a new OS, it would look at your hardware, and if the hardware will not support
it, it will refuse to install.
I think Apple does something similar to this?
http://archives.stupidquestion.net/sq11702.html
http://archives.stupidquestion.net/sq11702.html
That article contained a whole lot of "likely" and a lot of lacking solid evidence for either way, just anecdotal stuff from a single guy's observations? *shrug*
Huh? What the hell was that? :-) It would score an F as a scientific paper.
I almost forgot Autocad 2008 is NOT compatable with projects from previous versions either. So we would spend the added time of recreating all of our projects for the new format.............just thought I would clarify that neat little tidbit.
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That's garbage. I'm running '08 and have no problems opening files/projects from previous versions.
Right. That makes too much sense!
Oops, never mind. You seem to think Vista is just a "pretty interface" so clearly you know very little about computers, especially Windows. Don't quit your day job.
Thanks to LipSmacker for clarifying your incorrect clarification.
AutoCAD 2008 can save in .dwgs as old as R14.
two words: shot down.
Now when Microsoft have finished Hyper-V I will be buying a new super spec'ed laptop, to run either Vista Basic or Windows 2008 server, just to use Hyper-V, I just cant wait.
(If there is anyone who has got ( Linux ) Xen working on a laptop successfully, I'd love to know a book, hardware and distro to use !)
Now when Microsoft have finished Hyper-V I will be buying a new super spec'ed laptop, to run either Vista Basic or Windows 2008 server, just to use Hyper-V, I just cant wait.
(If there is anyone who has got ( Linux ) Xen working on a laptop successfully, I'd love to know a book, hardware and distro to use !
Swiping OEM keys? Devils Own? Sounds like you just don't want to pay for it...
Sounds like you can't read. Unquestioning love for a corporation is not natural.
Sounds like you can't read. Unquestioning love for a corporation is not natural.
What are you on about? I can read fine. The timing of XP availability has nothing to do with illegally trading product keys. Business machine keys must stay with the machine they came with, and the Devil's Own crap is illegal in the first place. I don't "love" any corporations, where did you get that from? Attacking people (and corporations) with no provocation is not natural either, but they do make a medicine to help you with that.
Well you won't be on my "WinXP OEM product key"Christmas list
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Well you won't be on my "WinXP OEM product key"Christmas list
Wow ... just wow.
I wonder how far such justifications go. Do you eventually get to the point of justifying stealing a car, or is it just software?
Another angel who has never cheated anyone of anything, coming up with a totally stupid analogy. Try reading the post Quote:
"One thing I am sure is, once XP is no longer sold, there will be one hell of a market for the WinXP "product keys" off company PC's. The "Devils Own" will start making the rounds again!"
Do I care whether people do this - no! However, I do wonder how many class actions and court cases Microsoft have lost over the years? I can't believe the hypocrisy of some people, or the inability to comprehend a simple statement.
Another angel who has never cheated anyone of anything, coming up with a totally stupid analogy. Try reading the post Quote:
"One thing I am sure is, once XP is no longer sold, there will be one hell of a market for the WinXP "product keys" off company PC's. The "Devils Own" will start making the rounds again!"
Do I care whether people do this - no! However, I do wonder how many class actions and court cases Microsoft have lost over the years? I can't believe the hypocrisy of some people, or the inability to comprehend a simple statement.
Anus.
Another angel who has never cheated anyone of anything, coming up with a totally stupid analogy. Try reading the post
Pity I wasn't quoting what you thought I was quoting.
Vista would run like a hog on this system and it would also mean i have to use that over complicated GUI, no way!
Um. What?
The article says UPGRADE to Vista. Why would business need to upgrade all their machines if XP is doing well?
Not that they would not buy new PCs with Vista...
It sets a registry key that makes the service pack visible in Windows Update. Run WU or just wait a few days and you should get it.
Yes. Give us DirectX 10, longer support and reintroduction to stores, and we won't find a reason to purchase your product. Sorry Vista crows, but the rest of the world doesn't likes it. Not even people that are forced to buy it. I guess I should wear my anti-flamethrower wielding troll protection suit.
Yes. Give us DirectX 10, longer support and reintroduction to stores, and we won't find a reason to purchase your product. Sorry Vista crows, but the rest of the world doesn't likes it. Not even people that are forced to buy it. I guess I should wear my anti-flamethrower wielding troll protection suit.
Yes, nothing like a bit of flame baiting to set your day going.
Dx10 is the only feature of Vista useful for you? Seeing as you describe Vista users a crows (i.e. people using it solely because they're attracted to shiny things, oh so funny), wouldn't that make you a crow for wanting Dx10 shinies?
Yes. Give us DirectX 10, longer support and reintroduction to stores, and we won't find a reason to purchase your product. Sorry Vista crows, but the rest of the world doesn't likes it. Not even people that are forced to buy it. I guess I should wear my anti-flamethrower wielding troll protection suit.
Yes, nothing like a bit of flame baiting to set your day going.
Dx10 is the only feature of Vista useful for you? Seeing as you describe Vista users a crows (i.e. people using it solely because they're attracted to shiny things, oh so funny), wouldn't that make you a crow for wanting Dx10 shinies?
Oh Snap!
wouldn't that make you a crow for wanting Dx10 shinies?[/quote]
OpenGL 3.0 > DX10.
OpenGL runs on XP, Linux, OS X, PS3, Wii, and various portable devices. What is DX10 compatible with? Not even the Xbox 360 fully supports DX10.
MS shot itself in the foot--because of its greed.
Which is entirely irrelevant to the post and article, but it's always good to hear an off-topic rant.
Sure, I can change Vista to (sort of) look like Windows 2000 as well, but at that point we aren't gaining many benefits. The only other three features we were interested in were:
1) Bitlocker - which requires Enterprise Edition, which in turn requires Software Assurance on Desktop OS, which costs a lot of money. When we buy our desktops, they come with Vista Business anyways, so Software Assurance is wasted money. Still, even then, the feature not a huge deal to us, and we could easily use 3rd party software if we wanted.
2) Desktop Optimization Pack - similar to the above, but simply requires Software Assurance. Again, not worth the HUGE investment it is.
3) Single Sign-on to Terminal Servers. We didn't invest a lot in Citrix and instead use Terminal Server company-wide. However, users hate having to sign in twice, once to their desktop, and once to Terminal Server. With Vista and 2008, true Single Sign-On is supported. Its now being back-ported to XP SP3 (and I've tested this, it works!), which is great.
99% of our fleet would run Vista miserably but run XP very fast because of how much memory they have. Why spend about $4 million on desktops just to run a new operating system that won't improve efficiency of our users?
We'll go to Vista, eventually, once XP starts to fall out of support, and when your average $500 corporate desktop runs Vista well, and fast. Right now, any desktop in that price range will run XP much better than Vista.
But for now XP SP3 will be a great addition and will help offset the 100 post-SP2 patches we have to regularly deal with. The Single Sign-On (for us) just takes the cake.
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Vista is a good product, but sensible business practices would tell you have to already have PCs and software that are able to take advantage of its new features to consider the outlay of upgrading to it (unless it happened to be your business' "upgrade" season).
Of course not.
Vista is the reason of Vista's slow adoption and nothing else. Stop looking for scapegoats.
Of course not.
Vista is the reason of Vista's slow adoption and nothing else. Stop looking for scapegoats.
It's not looking for scapegoats. It's a hypothesis about a future event.
If it was what you were suggesting, the article would be about a current slowdown in sales.
No, I think that XP is a quite solid OS now is definitely contributory to this. If XP was worse off, and Vista were where it is now, there'd be more clear advantages to using Vista.
Absolutely right,
most people don't realize how far off business users are from using Vista, they almost all use uncommon software applications that are specific to their business that just don't work on Vista.
I use Vista at home, but their is nothing as fast as a nice clean install of XP with a Gig of RAM.
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Just my two cents
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