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How to fix 3 "broken features" in Windows Vista

Steven Parker   via Activewin on 26 February 2008 - 11:11 · 31 comments & 17339 views

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Certain problems with Vista won’t be fixed by service packs or by updates but rather were actually part of the design. Users got used to XP and the way XP did things but Vista does some things differently. To help get your sanity back here are three things you can do to make Vista more amiable.

First, let’s tackle UAC. Vista’s UAC enables account controls which requires you to specify program actions when they need elevated permissions. The problem is that almost every action in Vista will require such. This can be turned off while still leaving the more important virtualization protection in place.

There are two ways to do this, by using native commands in Vista which is a 6-step process and should be avoided by everyone unless you want to create “Local Security Policy” specifically for that. I can’t recommend doing so. Instead, download Tweak UAC which will allow you to painlessly enable quiet mode.

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(5 replies) #1 +Chicane-UK on 26 Feb 2008 - 11:29
Sounds stupid but one Vista thing I always disliked was the appearence of the login screen. I guess its how you percieve a product and look and feel, and just goes to show how individual peoples tastes regarding design affect their decisions. I disliked the look of that screen enough for it to be one of the reasons why I haven't moved over to Vista.

I recently found out about the free LoginStudio product from Stardock which works great and finally lets me change the login window. Thats one of my Vista beefs taken care of!
#1.1 Neobond on 26 Feb 2008 - 11:34
Doesn't really bother me since my PC is usually on 24/7 anyway, I very rarely see the login screen.

I am loving the UAC quiet mode! UAC really does **** me off, it is probably the single most annoying thing in Windows Vista, for daily usage.
#1.2 +Chicane-UK on 26 Feb 2008 - 11:49
Well it was more a problem at work cause I quite often leave my desk and lock the console for security reasons and coming back to that screen bugged me more and more each time!

Silent UAC would be a BIG winner though as well.. definately.

The SATA disk speed increase isn't a big problem - I run a pair of 36GB Raptors in RAID0 as a boot drive so performance isn't particularly poor!
#1.3 hewitt s. on 26 Feb 2008 - 14:03
(Chicane-UK said @ #1)
I disliked the look of that screen enough for it to be one of the reasons why I haven't moved over to Vista.


I respect your opinions, but that is truly one of the stupidest reasons for not upgrading.
#1.4 GEIST on 26 Feb 2008 - 16:02
(Chicane-UK said @ #1)
Sounds stupid but one Vista thing I always disliked was the appearence of the login screen. I guess its how you percieve a product and look and feel, and just goes to show how individual peoples tastes regarding design affect their decisions. I disliked the look of that screen enough for it to be one of the reasons why I haven't moved over to Vista.

I recently found out about the free LoginStudio product from Stardock which works great and finally lets me change the login window. Thats one of my Vista beefs taken care of!


How many times a day do you log out or lock your Windows session that something as trivial as the look of the freaking login screen bugs you that much?
#1.5 +Chicane-UK on 26 Feb 2008 - 16:49
I respect your opinions, but that is truly one of the stupidest reasons for not upgrading.


Frankly I disagree. Look and feel is a totally individual thing - and its part of the reason why companies invest so much in the design of a product, and how it looks and how people react to it. I remeber reading something nuts about Microsoft spending months and millions of dollars just on which way icons were lit (including their shadows) simply because certain angles just didn't "feel" right.

Besides - there are countless other reasons why i've not upgraded to Vista at home (if we want to get down to it) - that was just a contributing factor.

I'm sure i'm not the only person who really disliked the default login screen. But its a moot point with the Stardock app anyway.
#2 PsiMoon314 on 26 Feb 2008 - 11:39
Hi,

UAC "noisy" mode is there for a reason.

Unless you are prompted (and the system freeze in the process) how do you know what process is asking for elevated privilages?

Regards

Simon


(2 replies) #3 Skyfrog on 26 Feb 2008 - 11:46
Pretty crappy suggestions in my opinion; UAC is there for a reason. Running it in quiet mode seems pretty pointless since the whole idea is to alert you about something wanting to make changes to your system and let you decide whether to allow it or not. If it doesn't even tell you and just automatically allows how on earth is it protecting you? You might as well just turn it off. Advanced write caching is most certainly not a broken feature. It's disabled for a reason, as the article even states and is quite clearly explained on the settings dialog. I'm not sure at all about that last one, my network seems to be running fine though. Looks like this article was written by a Vista basher judging from his little pic at the top.
#3.1 +Chicane-UK on 26 Feb 2008 - 12:16
lol - every Vista article is written by Vista bashers apparently. There is nothing wrong with criticising the product ffs.
#3.2 Darken on 26 Feb 2008 - 22:13
(Skyfrog said @ #3)
Pretty crappy suggestions in my opinion; UAC is there for a reason. Running it in quiet mode seems pretty pointless since the whole idea is to alert you about something wanting to make changes to your system and let you decide whether to allow it or not. If it doesn't even tell you and just automatically allows how on earth is it protecting you? You might as well just turn it off.
+1
#4 boho on 26 Feb 2008 - 12:04
Roll on Windows 7 I say. Let's all start getting excited about the next big offering from our favourite monopolist I think Windows users are pretty polarised about Vista, bet you can't guess which side this Microsoft stock holder is on!
#5 +majortom1981 on 26 Feb 2008 - 12:24
I just find it wrong that everybody was compalining how insecure windows is and how it shopuld be more like linux and then microsoft does make it more like linux and everybody then turns into hypocrites and demands that windows be more like its old self.

I like the uac prompts lets me know whats going on and which programs could cause problems in the future.
(1 reply) #6 Zyphrax on 26 Feb 2008 - 12:43
Isn't it easier to disable UAC with msconfig?
#6.1 murkworks2 on 26 Feb 2008 - 13:30
Yes, but then if do that you also disable IE's Protected Mode.
(2 replies) #7 Pikey on 26 Feb 2008 - 13:31
Poor suggestion I think ! ... Why is this on the front page anyway ?
#7.1 vetJoel on 27 Feb 2008 - 00:47
(Pikey said @ #7)
Poor suggestion I think ! ... Why is this on the front page anyway ?

Run your own site, post what you like. Until then, zip it.
#7.2 +sLm4ever on 27 Feb 2008 - 12:18
(Joel said @ #7.1)
(Pikey said @ #7)
Poor suggestion I think ! ... Why is this on the front page anyway ?

Run your own site, post what you like. Until then, zip it.



hahahaha xD ... you can never say anything about this xD ...
#8 KevinRGood on 26 Feb 2008 - 13:33
Hey, these are not broken features in Vista. These are features that most people don't know about. UAC is annoying sometime, but it's there for the average people who click "YES" for everything. Oh, I wouldn't recommend caching everything in memory before writing to disk. That's too risky.
#9 Pabs(Sco) on 26 Feb 2008 - 13:35
I agree with the posts here UAC is there for a reason, I just installed Vista at teh weekend, and other than the initial setup UAC hasn't been an issue (usuall setup being software installs and manchine configuration)
#10 JamesWeb on 26 Feb 2008 - 13:44
What everyone else said, don't disable UAC.

Also has anyone else noticed this new 'Related news' box on Neowin brings up a load of really old articles? I'm pretty sure there's some more recent news about Vista than that.
#11 hewitt s. on 26 Feb 2008 - 14:00
I have to agree with the other posts... UAC is not a "broken feature". It's an annoying feature, but that is intentional. The reality is that average users F-up the system far too easily by doing stupid things. UAC was designed to solve this problem, and that's what it does. Keep in mind that Vista is not the only OS that prompts for permission when doing admin-level tasks -- ironically OS X has similar prompts despite Apple's ads poking fun at UAC.
(1 reply) #12 jmc777 on 26 Feb 2008 - 14:19
First, let’s tackle UAC. Vista’s UAC enables account controls which requires you to specify program actions when they need elevated permissions. The problem is that almost every action in Vista will require such.



Uhhh, no.
#12.1 hewitt s. on 26 Feb 2008 - 14:42
First, let’s tackle UAC. Vista’s UAC enables account controls which requires you to specify program actions when they need elevated permissions. The problem is that almost every action in Vista will require such.


Not true... UAC does not prompt you for permission for every action. It primarily prompts you when you try to install programs which are not digitally signed and when you try to access the control panel or admin features.
(2 replies) #13 LaXu on 26 Feb 2008 - 14:41
UAC doesn't really help the average user. They are already clicking Yes to everything and will do so on UAC prompts too. I don't consider myself an average user and because of the frequent UAC prompts I started clicking Yes on them as well, without even reading them. The silent mode works great. UAC is a good idea executed poorly.
#13.1 hewitt s. on 26 Feb 2008 - 14:48
(LaXu said @ #13)
UAC doesn't really help the average user. They are already clicking Yes to everything and will do so on UAC prompts too. I don't consider myself an average user and because of the frequent UAC prompts I started clicking Yes on them as well, without even reading them. The silent mode works great. UAC is a good idea executed poorly.


I tend to agree. Even though UAC is designed to protect the system from careless users, they likely will not read the prompts. Even if they do, UAC makes it easy to continue because it doesn't require a password to continue. I think UAC is a good first attempt at this kind of security in Windows, but it definitely was not fully thought out. Of course if careless users are a problem for you, you should consider changing their user privileges so they can't install anything to begin with.
#13.2 Relativity_17 on 26 Feb 2008 - 16:47
(hewitt s. said @ #13.1)
I tend to agree. Even though UAC is designed to protect the system from careless users, they likely will not read the prompts. Even if they do, UAC makes it easy to continue because it doesn't require a password to continue.


What? Are you running as an admin account?
#14 +ozzieXP on 26 Feb 2008 - 17:13
3 broken features? They are not broken at all! Neowin doesn't have any worthy new so they decide to get something off the web. oh 3 tips to change your vista experience... lets say its broken to make it interesting lol
#15 +shirike on 26 Feb 2008 - 19:21
UAC only increases the habit of automatically clicking "Yes" or "Continue" without repeating the prompt because it happens over the slightest thing! When you truly need it, you've gotten so used to just clicking "Yes" or "Continue" that its protection is practically zero.

#16 ikyouCrow on 26 Feb 2008 - 20:59
all the fuss! i just set my UAC to run without the Secure Desktop! i get prompted to install stuff and it doesn't take over the entire screen.

i don't understand how people out there can get these millions of prompts for UAC. the only time i see prompts is when i run something as Administrator...
#17 dr3w2k3 on 26 Feb 2008 - 21:56
I dont understand the big fuss about disabling UAC. Why do you need a 3rd party app or "6-step process and should be avoided by everyone unless you want to create “Local Security Policy” specifically for that". It's as easy as 1-2-3.

1. Start->Run->Msconfig
2. Tools->Disable UAC->Launch
3. Turn off Security Center warnings
(4) Reboot.

DONE!
#18 GoldenSheep on 27 Feb 2008 - 03:30
If you really hate UAC but want to protect your computer; don't turn it off, or use the "quiet" mode. Man up, and make a limited account and play with that. When you want to make changes get on your admin account.

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