It seems Microsoft may have a successor (or replacement) for Vista after all and its already been released. Windows Server 2008 isnt easy to configure as a desktop operating system but when done correctly can be 20% faster than Vista while retaining most of the same features.
Windows Workstation 2008 is not a product sold by Microsoft and must be configured from a copy of Windows Server 2008. It seems this version of Windows lacks the bloat that is part of Vista. However, I am not sure what the author is referring to (but is likely talking about unnecessary services). Of course this version of Windows was designed with developers in mind who covet speed above all else. Workstation 2008 includes IIS and Hyper-V for creating virtual machines.
A Microsoft employee and third party website have created tutorials on how to use Windows Server 2008 as a desktop operating system. This is what Ive been referring to as Windows Workstation 2008. Keep in mind that this will have the same driver problems as Vista does, meaning, if a Vista driver doesnt exist for a piece of hardware you still wont be able to use it with Server or Workstation 2008.
Source: Blorge
Windows Workstation 2008 is not a product sold by Microsoft and must be configured from a copy of Windows Server 2008. It seems this version of Windows lacks the bloat that is part of Vista. However, I am not sure what the author is referring to (but is likely talking about unnecessary services). Of course this version of Windows was designed with developers in mind who covet speed above all else. Workstation 2008 includes IIS and Hyper-V for creating virtual machines.
A Microsoft employee and third party website have created tutorials on how to use Windows Server 2008 as a desktop operating system. This is what Ive been referring to as Windows Workstation 2008. Keep in mind that this will have the same driver problems as Vista does, meaning, if a Vista driver doesnt exist for a piece of hardware you still wont be able to use it with Server or Workstation 2008.
Source: Blorge
Server 2008 uses the Vista SP1 kernel, how could it possibly have different performance once you remove all the server addons? You are left with plain old Vista.
Win2K8, Vista - same kernel
Win2K3, XP - different kernels!
Server 2008 uses the Vista SP1 kernel, how could it possibly have different performance once you remove all the server addons? You are left with plain old Vista.
Win2K8, Vista - same kernel
Win2K3, XP - different kernels!
I wasn't talking about the Server addons/roles. I was talking about the OS services both OSs share in general. Things like the Themes service, task scheduler etc. You can turn those off or set them to Manual if you're not sure so that they can be used if needed but don't run when the OS boots.
Not snappy on those specs? I fail to believe. Either that or you are a serious speed-freak lol. Because my computer, C2D 2.2 Ghz, 2 GB RAM, 8600 GT, has almost no load times during regular use.
Now, I installed Windows Server 2008 Standard (full install) last night and immediatly you see a huge difference. The entire install took less than 20 minutes, Vista took about an hour plus another hour for SP1. And after all the configurations in the guide above and installing programs like Office 2007, antivirus, all the drivers, it looks exactly like Vista but really does perform a hell of a lot faster. You can see it with opening Computer or any other application, it's just fast. And as you can see from my specs above, this isn't a top of the line laptop here either.
Please give it a try yourself before commenting, the differences are huge!
Now, I installed Windows Server 2008 Standard (full install) last night and immediatly you see a huge difference. The entire install took less than 20 minutes, Vista took about an hour plus another hour for SP1. And after all the configurations in the guide above and installing programs like Office 2007, antivirus, all the drivers, it looks exactly like Vista but really does perform a hell of a lot faster. You can see it with opening Computer or any other application, it's just fast. And as you can see from my specs above, this isn't a top of the line laptop here either.
Please give it a try yourself before commenting, the differences are huge!
Hope you paid for that
Anyway! We'll probably get replies from people who haven't tried it, but say they have. Then they'll say it isn't any different. Beware...
In my case, it feels a lot more responsive. Responsiveness means faster execution. Like when you launch adobe software
And another thing, my SBPCI128 magically started working on S08. (control panel was broken but works fine here) That's a + for me at least. I think this is the beginning of a new love 8 relationship. Get it? Server2008? Love 8 relationship? bwahaahah!
Anyway! We'll probably get replies from people who haven't tried it, but say they have. Then they'll say it isn't any different. Beware...
In my case, it feels a lot more responsive. Responsiveness means faster execution. Like when you launch adobe software
And another thing, my SBPCI128 magically started working on S08. (control panel was broken but works fine here) That's a + for me at least. I think this is the beginning of a new love 8 relationship. Get it? Server2008? Love 8 relationship? bwahaahah!
Did you compare fresh Vista+SP1 (slipstreamed) with fresh Server 2008?
I don't believe you.
You can download and trial for free (40 days, if I'm not mistaken).
And yet, it does. They are exactly the same binaries, exactly the same versions. I don't know what's so hard to understand about that.
And yet, it does. They are exactly the same binaries, exactly the same versions. I don't know what's so hard to understand about that.
And yet, Server 2008 runs soooooooooo much better. Weird huh?
And yet, it does. They are exactly the same binaries, exactly the same versions. I don't know what's so hard to understand about that.
And yet, Server 2008 runs soooooooooo much better. Weird huh?
No, it's not weird, because Windows is much more than the kernel files.
Server 2008 is running in a mode where it tries to be streamlined for the kind of services it provides. For example, it doesn't have Aero Glass installed by default because it's not really needed for a web server where you barely ever interact with the desktop interface. Instant 50-60 MB RAM freed. There are probably many examples like this. Just imagine the whole line of dozens and dozens of system services fine tuned for an "average home user" in Vista vs "only what you need for your applied server roles" in Server 2008.
Some of you guys are comparing kernels here, when it's rather the full product that the user will experience. You can't just compare kernel files. Yes, they are largely the same in Vista SP1 vs Server 2008, but users never run just the kernels.
EVERYTHING is the same, minus components that Server '08 has that Vista doesn't (AD, RRAS, etc).
The only thing different is the out of box configuration.
Anyway! We'll probably get replies from people who haven't tried it, but say they have. Then they'll say it isn't any different. Beware...
In my case, it feels a lot more responsive. Responsiveness means faster execution. Like when you launch adobe software
And another thing, my SBPCI128 magically started working on S08. (control panel was broken but works fine here) That's a + for me at least. I think this is the beginning of a new love 8 relationship. Get it? Server2008? Love 8 relationship? bwahaahah!
Yes indeed it does feel smoother, but for some reason my LCD keeps blacking out when I return from Sleep. BTW lame joke bro.
@Yogi/Yugi/whatever your name is: Nice BS saying your computer was rated at 4.0. You sure it wasn't .4?
The new Windows Live Mail, on the other hand, is an entirely different email client that's superior to Windows Mail.
I'm not surprised. Microsoft really got hurt when people had so much trouble with Windows Vista, and I'm not even talking about speed. I sure the team did a heck of a lot more optimizing in Windows Server 2008.
In any case, this is great news. XPS is supposed to be a "PDF killer", but it seems that Server 2008 might kill Vista first!
With SP1, everything in Vista has been brought to the exact same state as Server 2008. They merged the code branches.
For example, there are applications that will not run on a server OS (Norton, certain firewalls, etc.) because you're expected to buy the enterprise versions. There are also "stupid" apps that check for a specific version of Windows and won't run because it's not that exact version, even though they should be able to run on the platform. I wouldn't advise people to do this. In the long run, it's smarter to buy better hardware than foist over the extra cash for Server 2008 (Even the web edition is more than Vista Ultimate).
Windows 2008 : Windows 2000 2?
Windows 2008 : Windows 2000 2?
But Windows 2008 = Windows Vista SP1
So:
Windows 2000 2 = Windows Me 2
Windows 2000 = Windows Me
I think you're wrong.
No idea what you mean by "one OS code base" Vista and W2K8 are the same code base... all versions of windows come from the same code base, they just add features in different branches of it... but the core OS is exactly the same code base... Vista SP1 IS W2K8! W2K8 just has more server features added in... Vista SP1 was updated to have the same core core as W2K8 even IIS7 was updated in vista to match the newer version in W2K8... so vista for the first time is exactly in line with the server edition... this person had to be compareing it with RTM not SP1...
We have already done as you suggest. You're welcome.
In before Godwin's law.
I don't think the guy knows what he is talking about...
"It seems this version of Windows lacks the “bloat” that is part of Vista" - yeah well all that stuff is in W2K8 too its under the component user desktop experience that you can install...
then they try to say it has IIS... um Vista Business and Ultimate have IIS7 also... the same exact version W2K8 does at that! (if you install SP1)
Should be stability above all, at least in my book... Being a server edition and stuff...
How to run Windows 2008 Server as a Workstation
Over all the experience has been amazing, every so often I get a piece of Microsoft software that tells me that I can't run it on a Server, but this is mostly very high end stuff that has special licensing fees associated with Server versions of the software. Oh and MSN Messenger, which tells me you can't run it on 64 bit OS's before XP SP2.
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I would also think that a server OS should be faster than a regular user PC, it should be doing more work and speed is important if its used in a server environment.
http://exo-blog.blogspot.com/2008/03/windo...done-right.html
1st thing I notice is server 08 installs faster. I also notice that it does not appear to "grind" the hard drive constantly. Im installing office 07 as I type, having converted this back to a workstation, im using about 840meg of the 2gig memory in this machine. I've not tweaked anything other then follow the change over guide which added aero, and at desktop with with the 64bit IE7 open (the 64bit feels far faster than the 32bit) 800meg memory usage. I am sure with some services tweaks that I can get her down below 800meg no problem. For vista or server 08 thats not bad. My vista 64 ultimate install at home idles over 1gig tweaked.
It is really responsive.
like i said, a vlite vista sp1 (already integrated) is the same as windows server 2008 as workstation
simply vlite it and remove all the bloat that he has (the same things that server 2008 dont have enabled or installed)
will be the same thing, plus you will not have any problems with programs dont wanting to install because its a server OS
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So in a test where both OS's were practically identical in settings, S2008 was considerably faster.
Same code or not, how do you explain that?
they said:
also:
So in a test where both OS's were practically identical in settings, S2008 was considerably faster.
Same code or not, how do you explain that?
They compared RTM vista to W2K8... which RTM vista is not the same code as W2K8... Compare SP1 Vista to W2K8 and it's the same littearly byte for byte
It absolutely is not the same code. If that were the case tell me where in vista I can find hyperV. The kernal may be simular or the same, but is only a very small part of the total package. S2008 is not the same thing as Vista, had that been the case S2008 would have released with vista over a year ago.
I expect a Server OS to be considerably faster more like 40+
Sounds like it's Vista without Aero running
Vista SP1 and Server 2008 are the exact same code, as has been said countless times on here. There is no difference between them other than configuration.
When will people begin to write useful articles? Tons of blogs are full of whining about vista.
If you take the time to search for proper hardware, proper drivers, proper configuration vista will run smoothly wihtout any glitch, even those vista post-launch rants about disk trashing or copy/paste issues.
Let me say that for the copy/paste problem, they solve it almost completely. I test software for private purposes and i have been able to blame almost every major anti-virus or memory-resident anti-spyware programs to cause the delays. Namely, the one that causes the major delays when copying/pasting files is EST NOD32/Smart Security and on the spyware line i have seen SpywareDoctor and CounterSpy to hog the file system.
If you don't believe me, try another anti-virus or anti-spyware software to see what im talking about. This is not meant to favor one program because i think developers are still behind vista improvements but some are getting closer than others when it comes to take advantage of the new kernel, driver model, etc.
For the person that said that Vista took an hour to install let me say that i've installed vista pre-sp1 with all updates, custom drivers and about 30 applications each time on machines with an average 1.6-1-8 core duo or core 2 duo and 1gb of ram and all the process takes an hour, but with everything getting installed. In desktops this kind of setups take less time. And this is without removing any windows component.
Exaggerate much?
Not possible to update all 100+ updates to pre-sp1 and install the OS and install + 30 apps and updates to them and windows again if you installed office 2007.
Takes several hours. I do this for a living. Where I work I create the images used by our entire district Vista, XP, 2K3, and 2K8 all our machines run my image and I promise you that you cannot sit down and do what you are claiming.
You can't do a xp image in an hour with software and updates and its faster than vista with or with out sp1.
The only way to do it all is if you are loading the systems from an imagex wim file or some other disk image like acronis or the likes. That is not the same as a clean install.
Exaggerate much?
Not possible to update all 100+ updates to pre-sp1 and install the OS and install + 30 apps and updates to them and windows again if you installed office 2007.
Takes several hours. I do this for a living. Where I work I create the images used by our entire district Vista, XP, 2K3, and 2K8 all our machines run my image and I promise you that you cannot sit down and do what you are claiming
i also do this for a living a i never had to install more than 10 updates at a time. I should stated that i integrate about 40 updates to the images though.
with office 2007 it takes me hour and a hald tops. In desktops this goes in an hour.
nonetheless, not all experiences are the same.
Server 2008 is more rebust than Vista and always will be....One reason: the lack of DRM (thats Digital Rights Management kiddies) without the overhead that Microsoft inserted into Vista to keep you kiddie pirates from stealing movies and music Server has less bloat to fight through. And funny thing is Server 2008 is Super secure...it is after all a SERVER class OS and guess what? I have yet to be asked if I was sure I want to do something...
Oh...and I was able to download Vista w/SP1 x64 from MSDN and install. It is faster yes...but copying files is still SLLLOOOOWWWWW. And I had to turn off the stupid UAC. Server 2008 is still a better OS even though they have the same Kernal...At least with Vista Sp1 you can actually install it if you have 4gb of ram...What did Microsoft not think to actually TEST Vista x64 in a system with 4gb or more..sheesh
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If Vista SP1 = Server 2008 (x64 both), why do I get difference SuperPI 1M scores on them?
Server = 13.323s
Vista SP1 (slipstreamed) = 13.696s
(3.94GHz, E7200 running at "Realtime" priority)
People who know what SuperPI is should know it is a significant difference.
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