10 Things I Warned Microsoft About Windows Vista
Posted by Daniel Fleshbourne on 17 March 2008 - 17:55 · 99 comments & 43134 views
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#1 Posted by +stevember on 17 Mar 2008 - 13:00
- Change is the law of life. And those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future.
J F K
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markjensen on 17 Mar 2008 - 13:39
- I could quote Scooby-Doo, but I don't think that cute quotes are actually relevant. Yes, change can be positive, but there are also changes that take you in a bad direction and are a detriment.
I think that the blog is light on real information, but it is a good color of individual perspective from someone that was on the inside. It adds humanity to the clipped segments of emails that are being revealed on the internal problems at Microsoft at the time. -
#1.2 Posted by NPGMBR on 17 Mar 2008 - 15:55
- Ya know all this fuss over Vista makes me wonder because I've had Vista since March 07. I got it on a brand new HP Pavilion and the only issues I ever encountered were issues with third party software like my HP PSC 1610 that HP took their sweet freakin time updating. Same with ZoneLabs and their Zone Alarm Security Suite. Not a single problem from the OS itself and I have never been happier.
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#1.3 Posted by Blaxima on 17 Mar 2008 - 19:58
- Relatively speaking the "future" is a mis-conception when worded like that although it sounds good. There is only foward thinking today and its peoples idea of what accepting the "future" is that allows for mediocrity today. Today is tommorows memories (ie. problems).
Lets just try and get the now right!
For examples:
In the now my friend just spent an arm and a leg for a custom built super duper computer
In the now it came with Vista Ultimate being a Vista ready system
In the now Vista would freeze ramdomly even when trying to use Windows Update which is not 3rd party software
Needles to say that now he is back to XP
If Vista was a new car there would have been a factory recall already although I doubt it would have even left the assembly line running like this. Complaining about things now gets a change for the better in the "future"
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#2 Posted by OblivionStalker on 17 Mar 2008 - 13:02
- I did this and I did that... And I was right (or so I claim to be). Now I am out of work... I am writing this to get some attention. Please, I need a job seriously...
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#2.1 Posted by +stevember on 17 Mar 2008 - 13:05
- Yep, best way to get future employers to trust you is stab old ones in back...
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#3 Posted by GEIST on 17 Mar 2008 - 13:20
- How often are we gonna get to read the same regurgitated Vista blog crap over and over again?
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#3.1 Posted by XerXis on 17 Mar 2008 - 13:28
- (GEIST said @ #3)How often are we gonna get to read the same regurgitated Vista blog crap over and over again?
until windows 7... at which point it will all start over again
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#4 Posted by +GreyWolfSC on 17 Mar 2008 - 13:30
- Just came by to poop on the rating scale... Not even going to bother reading the source article...
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#4.1 Posted by markjensen on 17 Mar 2008 - 13:41
- And your informed opinion and announcement of self-worth in rating this article are much appreciated.
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#4.2 Posted by +GreyWolfSC on 17 Mar 2008 - 23:19
- (markjensen said @ #4.1)And your informed opinion and announcement of self-worth in rating this article are much appreciated.
My self-worth is just fine, thanks. That's why I'm not here arguing. I already know it's a crap article about a crap argument. And I do have an informed opinion: It's crap.
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#5 Posted by dewaaz on 17 Mar 2008 - 13:39
- i HATE vista, and even i'm starting to get sick of the vista bashing...
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#6 Posted by hewitt s. on 17 Mar 2008 - 13:46
- I'm sick of articles like this. When will people learn that Vista is here to stay. It's been out for over a year. Contrary to negative press, people are in fact buying it. As a Vista user I can tell you it works perfectly fine. Comparing it to Windows Me is completely uncalled for.
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#6.1 Posted by andrewpking on 17 Mar 2008 - 18:14
- People are only buying it because they are forced to, companies aren't allowed to ship XP with new PCs any more, or they just refuse to.
Vista may be here to stay but in the majority of people's opinions it is a downgrade from XP! -
#6.2 Posted by MioTheGreat on 17 Mar 2008 - 20:13
- (andrewpking said @ #6.1)People are only buying it because they are forced to, companies aren't allowed to ship XP with new PCs any more, or they just refuse to.
Vista may be here to stay but in the majority of people's opinions it is a downgrade from XP!
Majority? I think you've spent far too much time on the internet blogs. -
#6.3 Posted by +imis on 17 Mar 2008 - 20:16
- (andrewpking said @ #6.1)People are only buying it because they are forced to, companies aren't allowed to ship XP with new PCs any more, or they just refuse to.
Vista may be here to stay but in the majority of people's opinions it is a downgrade from XP!
i agree when you can not get xp then what else you can do.
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#6.4 Posted by Jugalator on 17 Mar 2008 - 20:30
- (hewitt s. said @ #6)Contrary to negative press, people are in fact buying it.
People are buying PC's.
My parents and sister would have had XP if it weren't for the OEM deals. But they aren't overly computer literate, so they simply go with whatever Windows version ships with it.
Voila, Vista is a smash hit!
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#7 Posted by Foub on 17 Mar 2008 - 13:54
- Freedom of speech... Who needs it. Especially when the Corporate knows whats best for all of us....
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#8 Posted by Apple-a-Day on 17 Mar 2008 - 13:54
- Good god ... Wilcox is a sack of air. Most of his rants are useless trivia that he seems to get from other sources and tries to sound like he is the "ALL" knowing. And his pic well he looks constipated.
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#9 Posted by tsupersonic on 17 Mar 2008 - 14:01
- So, where was this article before Vista was launched?
Thanks for warning us
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#10 Posted by winmoose on 17 Mar 2008 - 14:02
- 1. Windows Vista has to be a whole lot better than Windows XP
The man's a genius.
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#12 Posted by +Shadrack on 17 Mar 2008 - 14:34
- 1. Windows Vista has to be a whole lot better than Windows XP.
He should have just stopped his whole article right there and said "Nuff said..." or something.
Seriously, these opinion based blog posts (no matter who is the poster) on anything is just not news and I wish Neowin would stop fpp.
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#13 Posted by LTD on 17 Mar 2008 - 14:39
- Windows is the banana-boat of operating systems.
In trying to be everything to everyone - from the basement-budget user to the hardcore gamer, to the corner-office exec, it tends to be mediocre, if not disappointing in general.
But with a licensing scheme like MS has, who cares? Why make a real, palpable effort when sales will continue unabated? If not of Visa, then XP. Makes no difference, really. -
#13.1 Posted by C_Guy on 17 Mar 2008 - 15:32
- And I suppose an operating system with a much more limited audience would be better? Where does OS X fit in a corporate or gaming environment? Right, nowhere. Windows gives you the best experience whether a home user, corporate user, or gamer.
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#13.3 Posted by Chicane-UK on 17 Mar 2008 - 18:54
- Where does OS X fit in a corporate or gaming environment? Right, nowhere. Windows gives you the best experience whether a home user, corporate user, or gamer.
You know, its not like the operating system is incapable of providing for either environment - everyone knows that it is an excellent operating system, but developers simply make applications for the dominant platform because thats where the money is. Why support the underdog? I think Apple have made an excellent move trying to push the iPhone into the corporate arena - once the iPhone is well liked and well supported in the enterprise, its only a matter of time before people start to explore the desktop offerings .
I firmly believe Apple will have its day - Microsoft have made enough mistakes, and slipped on the innovation front too much in the last year or so. There simply was not the interest in the Mac two years ago that there is now..Windows gives you the best experience whether a home user, corporate user, or gamer.
I think that is down to personal opinion mate! I think for the home user, OSX is simply leagues ahead for all round usability. I'm a relatively new Mac user but it has simply blown me away for some general home use tasks - Bluetoothing files off mobile phones, and working with digital cameras are just two immediate examples that spring to mind! -
#13.4 Posted by theyarecomingforyou on 17 Mar 2008 - 22:59
- (Chicane-UK said @ #13.3)You know, its not like the operating system is incapable of providing for either environment - everyone knows that it is an excellent operating system, but developers simply make applications for the dominant platform because thats where the money is.
Actually, Apple is more to blame than anyone. They have no developed an alternative to DirectX and have shown no leadership or interest in supporting games developers. DX has take Microsoft over a decade to develop and Apple hasn't even laid the seeds for gaming on OSX. Gaming is one of the few things keeping me on Windows.
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#14 Posted by eilegz on 17 Mar 2008 - 14:43
- well it happened before and it happens now, the whole vista bashing will end when vista receive an sp2 and make a lot of changes.
I dont remember anyone not having problems with windows XP when they released it, many rather sticked with windows 98, ME or 2000.
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#15 Posted by C_Guy on 17 Mar 2008 - 15:23
- Yeah well I am sure Microsoft got advice and suggestions from more than this one person so let's not get all offended and take it so personally.
"an operating system that bloggers and other critics consistently ridicule". When you have nothing better to do than this, how reputable is your opinion anyway?
I would put this on the guy's resume. Seriously. Just one line that says "I was right about Vista". Any reputable company will hire him.
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#16 Posted by majortom1981 on 17 Mar 2008 - 15:36
- The thing is that microsoft will ALWAYS get bashed no matter how good their OS is. So this bashing wont stop in the near future. Heck WIndows 7 could be the perfect OS and everybody will still complain. Microsoft is one of those companies that everybody loves to hate.
Or in Microsoft's case, they'll work on it, scrap it after they decide it's too hard, and add transparency to windows and say "Isn't this what you were waiting for?".-
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#17 Posted by starless.bible.black on 17 Mar 2008 - 15:39
- I love the first line: "These 10 things are in no particular order of importance"
"things" already implies a very resourceful analysis of Vista.
after reading this I come to the conclusion that this is a load of meaningless points. If I wrote sth like this I surely wouldn't be surprised if I lost my job.
"What happened: Some critics have described Vista as Windows Me II. "
this and similar statements are just plain silly. Some critics have described OS X as a disaster. Some critics have described XP as a disaster.......
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#17.1 Posted by Dakkaroth on 17 Mar 2008 - 16:39
- That's what I was wondering! It says,"10 things I warned Microsoft about Windows Vista" but you get to number 5, and he's like,"Vista reminds me too much of Windows Me." How is that "warning" them, and where you pick up that assumption from? Simply because you got tired of using it, like you did Me? Uh... right.
"Must be a WHOLE lot better than XP." Alright, XP isn't bad... at all. In fact, it seems many people think so or they wouldn't make such a fuss about staying with XP. Now, to upgrade from where XP stands can be really rough. Despite the problems Microsoft has had rewriting a whole OS, I'd say with SP1, they've stepped it up plenty. As one Neowin member put it, this is just the "OS X 10.1" of what's to come. With service packs and the next OS, hopefully Microsoft can make it even better. However, Vista is certainly not as horrible as many make it out to be. And most CERTAINLY not anything resembling Windows Me, as he put it. Remember, Vista runs better with better hardware too. Me never runs better. Ever.
He also talks about how it didn't ship soon enough. Now there's backward thinking. "Make Vista right, but release it as soon as you can." Can you imagine what sorts of other problems we'd have with Vista if they hadn't released it when they did?
The rest is simply stuff that's been stated well enough already.
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#18 Posted by paesan on 17 Mar 2008 - 16:06
- Another MS Vista bashing article. I have used all MS OS's since windows 95 and clearly Vista is the best. Duh, of course it needs more power, it has a stronger graphical interface among other better features. All you bashers must have short memories. XP also required greater power to run it. This is a natural evolution to a new OS. My first computer had Win 95 with a pentium 233, a whopping 32Mb memory, 6 gig hard drive and some crapy video card (can't remember the specs on it). Guess what, that system would never run XP properly. MS developed a high powered OS that needs a medium to high powered system. I would never go back to XP. You all need to embrace change and get a life. The only thing I agree with in the article is the amount of different versions of Vista. MS clearly screwed up on that.
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#18.1 Posted by C_Guy on 17 Mar 2008 - 18:14
- And if Vista didn't need more advanced hardware to run everyone would complain that Vista isn't "up to par". No matter what Microsoft does, the haters will always find a reason to hate, even if they reek of ignorance.
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#18.2 Posted by Dakkaroth on 17 Mar 2008 - 21:56
- (C_Guy said @ #18.1)And if Vista didn't need more advanced hardware to run everyone would complain that Vista isn't "up to par". No matter what Microsoft does, the haters will always find a reason to hate, even if they reek of ignorance.
Exactly. That's why we have articles like this one from someassguy who makes his complaint with "I got tired of using Vista just like Me, therefore Vista = Me."
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#19 Posted by solardog on 17 Mar 2008 - 16:23
- Altho Ive come to really like Vista now, only because I built a new pc with all current hardware which Vista loves, I found myself nodding in agreement with almost every point in that article.
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#20 Posted by X'tyfe on 17 Mar 2008 - 16:23
- why cant everyone just hate vista? it would make things a hell of a lot better
why do we have to have people that "like" it?
this will never get old, stop whining about it
anyways, the article is top notch
everyone thinking of buying vista needs to see it
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#20.1 Posted by C_Guy on 17 Mar 2008 - 18:11
- Right, let's all buy what Steve Jobs tells us to buy instead like mindless robots.
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#20.2 Posted by LTD on 17 Mar 2008 - 21:52
- (C_Guy said @ #20.1)Right, let's all buy what Steve Jobs tells us to buy instead like mindless robots.
Oh, wait....
And buy a Windows PC like mindless robots?
People who invest in and Apple do so by choice. You need to make an effort to look beyond the countless Windows boxes that flood tech stores/outlets. These people already know about Windows, and most of them have had quite enough.
Most Windows users use Windows because they don't know any better. -
#20.3 Posted by Dakkaroth on 17 Mar 2008 - 22:25
- (LTD said @ #20.2)Most Windows users use Windows because they don't know any better.
God forbid it'd be because of the lack of programs and games we want or need. Not to mention the price tag that comes with it. Hell, for the price of an iPhone, I can make a decent computer that can perform wonders.
Why can't Apple simply lower the prices for the hardware we know isn't costing them much? Is it a "social status" thing, keeping people with the smaller paychecks from having it or what? I mean, you talk as if OS X is "the way of the future", but it doesn't look like Apple want their hardware/software in the hands of the lower class.
I tell you one thing though, only product I've purchased from them was the $80 shuffle because I thought it looked great. Guess what, that same shuffle is the same damn price still, and it's audio quality blows. I am extremely disappointed by it honestly, as well as at myself for being fooled into it. And that's not even getting into using iTunes as well. :\
Bah, I'm ranting now. Ah well. I don't have a problem with OS X or Apple computers for that matter. It's just the idiots within the company. Dumb corporate assholes are what's holding Apple back. -
#20.4 Posted by RealFduch on 17 Mar 2008 - 23:05
- (LTD said @ #20.2)(C_Guy said @ #20.1)Right, let's all buy what Steve Jobs tells us to buy instead like mindless robots.
Oh, wait....
And buy a Windows PC like mindless robots?
People who invest in and Apple do so by choice. You need to make an effort to look beyond the countless Windows boxes that flood tech stores/outlets. These people already know about Windows, and most of them have had quite enough.
Most Windows users use Windows because they don't know any better.
People who use heroin do so by choice. You need to make an effort to look for heroin beyond the countless light drugs. These people already know about pot and LSD, and most of them have had quite enough.
Most people who don't use drugs do so because they don't know any better. -
#20.5 Posted by WICKO on 17 Mar 2008 - 23:38
- (RealFduch said @ #20.4)(LTD said @ #20.2)(C_Guy said @ #20.1)Right, let's all buy what Steve Jobs tells us to buy instead like mindless robots.
Oh, wait....
And buy a Windows PC like mindless robots?
People who invest in and Apple do so by choice. You need to make an effort to look beyond the countless Windows boxes that flood tech stores/outlets. These people already know about Windows, and most of them have had quite enough.
Most Windows users use Windows because they don't know any better.
People who use heroin do so by choice. You need to make an effort to look for heroin beyond the countless light drugs. These people already know about pot and LSD, and most of them have had quite enough.
Most people who don't use drugs do so because they don't know any better.
LOL
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#21 Posted by briangw on 17 Mar 2008 - 16:59
- hmmmm. Where have I hear something similar like this before???........Oh yeah, when Windows XP was launched!
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#21.1 Posted by Krome on 17 Mar 2008 - 17:15
- When Windows XP first launch I switched to XP right away. All of the new OS that Microsoft made, I never bash but was so eager to jump right into using it, until Vista came along. Vista is the first Microsoft OS that I personally hated to the heart. I have seen a very very few number of people bashing XP and wanting to stick to Windows ME, but that is too low to even compare that to Vista's disappointment.
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#21.2 Posted by paesan on 17 Mar 2008 - 19:20
- (Krome said @ #21.1)When Windows XP first launch I switched to XP right away. All of the new OS that Microsoft made, I never bash but was so eager to jump right into using it, until Vista came along. Vista is the first Microsoft OS that I personally hated to the heart. I have seen a very very few number of people bashing XP and wanting to stick to Windows ME, but that is too low to even compare that to Vista's disappointment.
Comparing upgrading from WinME to Winxp to upgrading from XP to Vista is just no comparison. I think we all agree that windows Me was a complete disaster. So with that point, yes nobody was eager to switch back to Windows Me but some were going back to 98. When XP came out alot of people were bashing it because it was slower than 98. As the OS matured everyone got used to it and it became more stable. The same is happening with Vista. I have been using Vista 64bit since day 1 and besides the lack of driver support from the maufacturers, I have no complaints. Blame the lazy hardware companies for their lack of driver support especially for the 64bit system.
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#21.3 Posted by Typhon on 17 Mar 2008 - 20:19
- (Krome said @ #21.1)When Windows XP first launch I switched to XP right away. All of the new OS that Microsoft made, I never bash but was so eager to jump right into using it, until Vista came along. Vista is the first Microsoft OS that I personally hated to the heart. I have seen a very very few number of people bashing XP and wanting to stick to Windows ME, but that is too low to even compare that to Vista's disappointment.
I remember when ME came out I tried it for 1 week and went back to 98SE. Windows ME was crap utter crap 98 was not that good as well. You can say 98 was half baked and ME was about 25% baked. Yes then XP came out and just like Vista hardware issues it took months before I could get my video card to run right and a lot of games did not work, XP was slow and did not start working right till on older hardware. Vista is the same for me, when I got my free copy a year ago it was much faster then the beta but still slow and nvidia drivers sucked. In all the Vista experience from the start is much better then XP was and I have done hundreds and dare say thousands of XP installs. I have built about 30 Vista computers and the only complainant I here is old programs are slow. Other then that they love Vista and say it is better then XP.
I remember trying Server 2003 and liking it seemed faster then xp. I have tried Server 2008 and like it better then Vista.
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#22 Posted by puma1 on 17 Mar 2008 - 17:52
- Everytime there is a new OS there are the obvious haters, and in a few years from now we will be lovin Vista and hating whatever else is out that year. I am so sick of the MS bashing..
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#22.1 Posted by toadeater on 18 Mar 2008 - 00:22
- (puma1 said @ #22)Everytime there is a new OS there are the obvious haters, and in a few years from now we will be lovin Vista and hating whatever else is out that year. I am so sick of the MS bashing..
The majority of users do not like Vista. The reaction was never this bad for so long when XP was released. Unless you count some Win2K users. But they had a point, XP was a noticeable improvement compared to 9x, but not so much compared to Win2K. Vista is a lot like comparing XP and Win2K, the advantages are very minor, and unlike XP, Vista has numerous disadvantages compared to its mainstream predecessor.
There are now also alternatives to compare it against, so it's no longer an MS-only market--which is a good thing! MS can do better than Vista. Vista needs to be fixed, or replaced, because most of us DO NOT WANT IT, and we don't like the idea of being extorted over DX10.
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#23 Posted by Chicane-UK on 17 Mar 2008 - 18:46
- You have to laugh really. In here there are countless people discounting blog articles by people who, to me at least, appear as well qualified as anyone to comment on Vista. My question is what makes YOU so qualified to discount this guys article?
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#23.1 Posted by LTD on 17 Mar 2008 - 22:03
- There are very, very few articles/blogs applauding Vista. Too few.
Since its release (premature, mind you) last year, there has been an unending deluge of negative articles, complaints, rants, and general dissatisfaction.
It seems to work alright for certain tech-savvy users who view as obvious things that the average home user would not. Then again, perhaps these users expect to deal with potentially severe problems from the beginning. Which is rather sad.
That's part of the problem, however. Good engineering is supposed to be virtually idiot-proof. Window is not. No OS is perfect, but disturbingly few are striving for it. There had better be good reasons for a learning curve.
An inferior, 7-year old OS has no business being in such measurable (vocal) demand over your latest and greatest.
But then again, this is Windows. And users eventually have to settle for what's there.
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#25 Posted by jstillion on 17 Mar 2008 - 19:20
- If you actually read the article, he points out various things that add up to why Vista can be struggling.
I agree with most of his points, too many versions causing confusion, Vista Ready vs Capable stickers, taking too many system resources (which he says MS told him it won't happen at release... at it did), UAC & IE Warnings making it harder to use, etc.
I do disagree with just "one" version, I felt they should of done an Home and Professional version.
I think he backed his opinions up and MS fell in to the traps he was warning about.
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#25.1 Posted by +DrunkenMaster on 18 Mar 2008 - 01:30
- I agree with all the points in the article, including the "one version". Though that is not suitable to the corporate buyers and there should be a separate SKU for it, the "one" version, I belive, should exist for the consumer version.
Look at the grocery store. We have 10 brands of eggs now - each with Omega this, organic that. People don't know which to choose. They'll pick what they think is best (price and health wise). Ditto computers - price vs performance - AND simplicity. OSes have always been the most confusing thing to buy. There's always either many versions on the shelf or now, other choices. There's only one RedHat on shelves. But there's 4 or 5 Vista boxes. There's only one Adobe Photoshop.
I know my analogies probably aren't perfect. But, you have to look at this as the everday consumer. They're the ones buying this. Tech geeks like us have already decided what we want/don't want. Its for people that have no idea that think a CPU is the Ram and the motherboard and to stop viruses on the computer you need to inject it with something or throw it out. -
#25.2 Posted by Dakkaroth on 18 Mar 2008 - 14:31
- (DrunkenMaster said @ #25.1)There's only one Adobe Photoshop.
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#25.3 Posted by +DrunkenMaster on 18 Mar 2008 - 14:45
- (Dakkaroth said @ #25.2)(DrunkenMaster said @ #25.1)There's only one Adobe Photoshop.
What about the extended edition?
Funny, haha. It was an example. But I'm talking about Staples or the mom & pop type computer stores. They usually have one version of anything on the shelf. With Vista they're carrying 4 or 5. What if you're running a small business from home with no network? Home edition or Business edition?? Aero or no Areo? This just confuses people. -
#25.4 Posted by Dakkaroth on 18 Mar 2008 - 16:32
- (DrunkenMaster said @ #25.3)Funny, haha. It was an example. But I'm talking about Staples or the mom & pop type computer stores. They usually have one version of anything on the shelf. With Vista they're carrying 4 or 5. What if you're running a small business from home with no network? Home edition or Business edition?? Aero or no Areo? This just confuses people.
lol, yeah, I hear ya. Just pokin' fun.
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#26 Posted by neufuse on 17 Mar 2008 - 19:45
- Wow these stories are getting old, they seem to be rehashing the same things over and over again...
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#27 Posted by +RuudJacobs.NET on 17 Mar 2008 - 20:08
- If he's a professional advisor for those execs and they ignore his advice, he got paid, who cares. Why is he being such a desperate attention wh*re?
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#28 Posted by Izlude on 17 Mar 2008 - 20:12
- It just depends on who's using it, that's all. You got stories from both sides so you can't call anybody a liar without further proof. IMO Vista works much better for me. Haven't had the need to go back to XP because I can't find a valid reason for my personal situation. I just thought "move on up" and sure enough it worked out great. I'm sorry for those who are having trouble with it. Just isn't your nich i guess.
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#29 Posted by atari800 on 17 Mar 2008 - 20:24
- Now if he said this stuff out in the open in 2006 - this would be news-worthy
This is more like "Top 10 most common Vista complaints on any forum"
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#30 Posted by ajua on 17 Mar 2008 - 20:30
- That's right. People read about a "new" vista failure in doing something and they just re-blog about it with nothing more than the "new" stuff.
I think 60% of vista topics on the internet are about this rantings or useless posts that offer nothing to the reader but just non-sense.
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#31 Posted by mayamaniac on 17 Mar 2008 - 21:32
- Vista sucks, unless you have a quad-core, nvidia 8800 512M, and 4G of ram, then its awesome!
Also, skip Vista 32bit altogether, if your hardware supports it, go straight to Vista 64bit. -
#31.1 Posted by solardog on 17 Mar 2008 - 21:38
- LOL thats exactly what I have and until I built it I hated Vista. I really do understand the dislike of Vista and I think all the comparisons of how XP sucked at first are illogical at this point. This is way beyond that now.
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#31.2 Posted by waruikoohii on 17 Mar 2008 - 21:53
- (mayamaniac said @ #31)Vista sucks, unless you have a quad-core, nvidia 8800 512M, and 4G of ram, then its awesome!And yet my single core 1.5GHz Pentium M Banias, 1GB RAM, and ATI Mobility Radeon 9000 with 64MB of RAM run Vista Ultimate just fine.
Also, skip Vista 32bit altogether, if your hardware supports it, go straight to Vista 64bit.
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#31.3 Posted by WICKO on 17 Mar 2008 - 23:40
- (waruikoohii said @ #31.2)(mayamaniac said @ #31)Vista sucks, unless you have a quad-core, nvidia 8800 512M, and 4G of ram, then its awesome!And yet my single core 1.5GHz Pentium M Banias, 1GB RAM, and ATI Mobility Radeon 9000 with 64MB of RAM run Vista Ultimate just fine.
Also, skip Vista 32bit altogether, if your hardware supports it, go straight to Vista 64bit.
Puzzling.
Good luck running anything worthwhile at the same time. -
#31.4 Posted by Tikitiki on 17 Mar 2008 - 23:52
- (waruikoohii said @ #31.2)(mayamaniac said @ #31)Vista sucks, unless you have a quad-core, nvidia 8800 512M, and 4G of ram, then its awesome!And yet my single core 1.5GHz Pentium M Banias, 1GB RAM, and ATI Mobility Radeon 9000 with 64MB of RAM run Vista Ultimate just fine.
Also, skip Vista 32bit altogether, if your hardware supports it, go straight to Vista 64bit.
Puzzling.
Same here. My laptop runs on 1.5GHz and though I admit I have a slightly bigger video card (with more RAM) the only real difference is when it comes to gaming - which of course, is not related to Vista performance in any way. -
#31.5 Posted by waruikoohii on 17 Mar 2008 - 23:55
- (WICKO said @ #31.3)Oh I do, every day.(waruikoohii said @ #31.2)(mayamaniac said @ #31)Vista sucks, unless you have a quad-core, nvidia 8800 512M, and 4G of ram, then its awesome!And yet my single core 1.5GHz Pentium M Banias, 1GB RAM, and ATI Mobility Radeon 9000 with 64MB of RAM run Vista Ultimate just fine.
Also, skip Vista 32bit altogether, if your hardware supports it, go straight to Vista 64bit.
Puzzling.
Good luck running anything worthwhile at the same time.
It works much better under load (say, loading several large photographs into Photoshop at once, while having a web browser with several tabs open minimized, with Winamp open, and an IM application such as Pidgin running) than XP ever did.
So thanks for the luck, but I don't need it. -
#31.6 Posted by WICKO on 18 Mar 2008 - 01:19
- (waruikoohii said @ #31.5)(WICKO said @ #31.3)Oh I do, every day.(waruikoohii said @ #31.2)(mayamaniac said @ #31)Vista sucks, unless you have a quad-core, nvidia 8800 512M, and 4G of ram, then its awesome!And yet my single core 1.5GHz Pentium M Banias, 1GB RAM, and ATI Mobility Radeon 9000 with 64MB of RAM run Vista Ultimate just fine.
Also, skip Vista 32bit altogether, if your hardware supports it, go straight to Vista 64bit.
Puzzling.
Good luck running anything worthwhile at the same time.
It works much better under load (say, loading several large photographs into Photoshop at once, while having a web browser with several tabs open minimized, with Winamp open, and an IM application such as Pidgin running) than XP ever did.
So thanks for the luck, but I don't need it.
And most likely, with all the eye candy disabled, which renders Vista Ultimate pointless. Without any kind of proof, I am having a hard time believing you. I'm no enemy of Vista, but there is no doubt it that under a machine of any spec would not be able to compete with XP SP2. Perhaps you were running more than you knew, or software has improved since you last used XP, or you are trying to justify your purchase of Ultimate (assuming you did, which I doubt). There have been plenty of XP vs Vista benchmarks on the web, many posted on Neowin, all pretty much conclusive that XP does perform better than Vista under most circumstances.
I will admit, I misread your statement as your laptop having 64MB of RAM for some reason.. must have been a long day. -
#31.7 Posted by +/ -Razorfold on 18 Mar 2008 - 01:27
- And most likely, with all the eye candy disabled, which renders Vista Ultimate pointless. Without any kind of proof, I am having a hard time believing you. I'm no enemy of Vista, but there is no doubt it that under a machine of any spec would not be able to compete with XP SP2. Perhaps you were running more than you knew, or software has improved since you last used XP, or you are trying to justify your purchase of Ultimate (assuming you did, which I doubt). There have been plenty of XP vs Vista benchmarks on the web, many posted on Neowin, all pretty much conclusive that XP does perform better than Vista under most circumstances.
I will admit, I misread your statement as your laptop having 64MB of RAM for some reason.. must have been a long day.
LOL I love how people seem to think that vista is only about eye-candy. Yeh..disabling eye-candy makes vista pointless.
Great thinking. -
#31.8 Posted by WICKO on 18 Mar 2008 - 01:42
- (/ -Razorfold said @ #31.7)And most likely, with all the eye candy disabled, which renders Vista Ultimate pointless. Without any kind of proof, I am having a hard time believing you. I'm no enemy of Vista, but there is no doubt it that under a machine of any spec would not be able to compete with XP SP2. Perhaps you were running more than you knew, or software has improved since you last used XP, or you are trying to justify your purchase of Ultimate (assuming you did, which I doubt). There have been plenty of XP vs Vista benchmarks on the web, many posted on Neowin, all pretty much conclusive that XP does perform better than Vista under most circumstances.
I will admit, I misread your statement as your laptop having 64MB of RAM for some reason.. must have been a long day.
LOL I love how people seem to think that vista is only about eye-candy. Yeh..disabling eye-candy makes vista pointless.
Great thinking.
Right, because Vista has such an abundant feature set over that of XP. Even Bill Gates will agree. Or, maybe you consider these to be beneficial? Who doesn't love a little DRM? Come on now.. you belittle my statement but offer nothing to back yourself up. After having checked your profile I can see you've also purchased Vista Ultimate, so I can understand why you would be so hostile after wasting your money. -
#31.9 Posted by +/ -Razorfold on 18 Mar 2008 - 01:48
- (WICKO said @ #31.
(/ -Razorfold said @ #31.7)And most likely, with all the eye candy disabled, which renders Vista Ultimate pointless. Without any kind of proof, I am having a hard time believing you. I'm no enemy of Vista, but there is no doubt it that under a machine of any spec would not be able to compete with XP SP2. Perhaps