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yeah, I've never had problems worse than this with device drivers on linux... oh wait...

stop trolling.

Apparently you haven't been using newer versions of Linux then. I have had no issues with any drivers for Ubuntu 7.10, even my wireless drivers installed just fine and picked my wireless up without any issues.

And I wouldn't consider him trolling either. He's stating his opinion on the OS, which is what comments are for. If he had come in here and started saying that "Vista sucks, Linux rules," well now that would be trolling.

Actually I have been using newer versions of linux. very new versions. and it's at least as plagued by bad drivers as any version of windows.

Sounds like the problem is between your keyboard and your chair . I don't have the newest of equipment in my home, but even my kids' machines are driver issues free with Ubuntu 7.1. Now, some of the boxes I installed Vista on? That's a different story. Hopefully the tykes in Redmond will hurry up and get their act together.

...because you need to slipstream Nvidia raid drivers in Vista's installation if you want to install it on a RAID-0/1 partition.

Of course there's also a problem with linux drivers. I mean, something that can print directly into PostScript without needing any driver at all should be the devil's work.

Are you effing kidding me?

#1 - Blaming Microsoft for driver issues is retarded. It is not their responsibility to make drivers for ****ing third party devices.

#2 - Linux? Are you ****ing joking? I have a hard time getting drivers for linux. Sure, it maybe easier on some computers than others, but it's not easy for everyone. It's more easier to get drivers for a device in Windows in Linux. Hell, Windows Updates even tells you.

In Ubuntu, the update manager downloads and installs all the drivers you need just like Windows Update.

If you are having issues with drivers today, the problem is most likely going to be user error.

yes I'm sure it's user error that causes a linux install to either lock up completeley, freeze the display or occasionally crash compeltely and fatally after a semi random amount of time if I just turn it on and just let it sit there. brand new install...

yeah, that must be it... especially since after a new driver recently.. guess what.. it stopped doing it..

I do have some experience in computer and have been paralell running y laptops with linux whenevr I had laptops and have been using it on a server for some time.

Linux is a lot better than it used to be, sure. but it's got ways to go yet. so coming into a thread complaining about bad writers in windows and basically saying other OS' don't have this problem don't hold water.

Bleh! You're all pathetic toys. -.- On every comment page this kind of discussion happens, it's like it was copy-pasted from article to article, and sometimes 'linux' is changed to 'mac'. *face-->palm*

Is XP and OS X plagued with as many driver problems as Vista? Can you honestly tell an XP user that they'll have fewer problems by switching to Vista?

+ 1.

Though I think it now takes longer for applications to open .

Might just be my imagination.

But then maybe not.

Yes you may see that initially as the prefetch cache (or whatever it's called) is cleared during SP1 installation. As you use your PC over the next few hours or couple of days then that caching will be restored to what is now appropriate to your system and that apparent slow down will disappear.

1. The driver problems aren't MS' fault.
2. It would alienate a lot of the Windows community if MS ran ads like Apple.
3. Those who buy products because of an "image" are those that shout loudest.

Doh!

They don't need to when they're already the most gigantic money-printing factory the world has yet seen!

Nice work - you've managed to confirm people's stereotypical views of Mac users.

"this is just silly, i want sp1 now not later"

Maybe you should stomp up and down 'til you get your way.
OR, you could follow the solution that is posted. That might work better.
OR start a completely unrelated rant about advertising.



"because thats what i'd be thinking about mac after every mac ad..."

Perhaps you should think for yourself, rather than rely on advertising to do it for you. The reason you don't think Windows has an "image" is because Windows users have more important things to do with their lives than show off their arrogance on television.

Why do they have to be available if no one wants them?

Umm... You can, when she tells you to say the numbers just punch them in. She might tell you she can't activate it and you'll need to talk to a person, but there really cool and the whole process from when you call to when you hang up only takes about 8-10 min.

Again, why am I having to call Microsoft and waste my time to defend myself from my computer being disabled?

Because they are the only one in the world that can reactivate your computer. Instead of talking to the people who can help, you have chosen to rant in a place where no one can do anything. Great decision-making.

Oh, and don't give me any of your BS about having to waste time and defend yourself. How is 8-10 minutes a waste when you can get your computer back and be able to get on your marry way of getting things done? And why do you have to "defend" yourself? You've got nothing to hide do you?

Raptor, I'm with you on this. I've reinstalled my computer a few times since I've had Retail Vista Ultimate due to hardware upgrades and every time I've had to call. I know that Microsoft specifically requires you to reactivate on major hardware changes, however, I almost find it insulting.

If I buy a $400 piece of software why should I be required to jump through hoops just to install it. Thank you pirates (not that I'm perfect on this front).

It was 11:00 at night last night when I got the "reactivate message". I did not want to deal with it when as I was getting ready to go to bed. I posted this message in a discussion board talking about Vista SP1. I'm ranting in a discussion thread for discussing SP1, and finally, I posted this from work during my lunch break, where I am distinctly no where near my computer and the people who can fix it.




Your comment is nothing but troll bait with a nice logical fallacy at the end for good measure. I used the term "defending myself" because it is my experience from talking to coworkers that Microsoft will ask you at times why you are reinstalling the OS. Quite frankly, that's none of their business. I'm using it within the terms of the license agreement. That is all that matters. I should not have to dedicate ANY of my time to aiding Microsofts anti-piracy measures.

Again, my issue is, why has my entire operating system deactived due to installing a service pack? WGA is a failed antipiracy measure that in my experience only inconveniences legitimate users.

Re-format your drive install Windows 3.1 and shut the **** up. That should take care of the problem.

@bryonhowley

HAHHAHAHAHAHA!

As long as the machine can run Vista in the first place.
So far I have installed SP1 on 5 different machines with both AMD and Intel processors, varying amounts of RAM and varying age of video cards -- it has worked fine on all of them with no problems.
Call me lucky if you like - but this service pack does work.

" their lousy 3rd party driver support "?

Ummm isn't that a contradiction in terms...