Microsoft's latest efforts to persuade customers to upgrade to its much-maligned Vista operating system have met with a cool response from users. Historically, Microsoft's first service pack for one of its marquee products – such as Windows – provides the impetus for users to upgrade. As Gartner analyst, Stephen Kleynhans recently noted, customers see SP1 as the sign that the OS has reached maturity and is ready for enteprise deployment.
But even the offer of free support for using installing Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1) and tools to lower implementation cost, the user response has been one of stony indifference. Vista SP1 includes a number of fixes for bugs that have plagued the operating system, as well as improved support for drivers. It initially became available to download from Microsoft's website and will be included as part of the Window's Update feature from mid-April.
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But even the offer of free support for using installing Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1) and tools to lower implementation cost, the user response has been one of stony indifference. Vista SP1 includes a number of fixes for bugs that have plagued the operating system, as well as improved support for drivers. It initially became available to download from Microsoft's website and will be included as part of the Window's Update feature from mid-April.
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I'm sure the M$ fanboys will be all over this with their excuse machine running full steam.
I'm sure the M$ fanboys will be all over this with their excuse machine running full steam.
Oh get off it. We all know when there's a "bad" story about MS, Apple or Linux, many people speak up to defend it. Might as well throw your opinion out there and make a point, instead of calling someone else a "fanboy" because you don't agree.
How is this story bashing of Vista? I bet you would have had a very different reaction if the news was that SP1 caused Vista sales to increase.
I'm sure the M$ fanboys will be all over this with their excuse machine running full steam.
Someone that uses "M$", wow... says a lot about that person and how closed minded they are.
First off, can customers even purchase an OEM system and get SP1 yet? If an average user even knows what a SP is, then most likely they're going to wait until they get SP1 pre-installed with their system. Corporate users probably aren't going switch until SP1 has been out for a while to see if there's any major issues with it.
The benchmarks are already out.
Vista is a completely overhauled OS..and its good..it will take time..
Or after I.T. organizations have finished evaluating SP1?
I am not using it currently, due to some issues with norton ghost 14.
It also seems to fill up a pile of space, so I have ordered a new HD 320gb, which I will dual boot with xp till
I am used to vista and work out a way of getting rid of those ugly sideway folders and some other gui things I hate.
I did buy windows blinds enhanced last week and hopefully that will help me out a bit.
The guy who runs stardock comes here I think, I activated it on vista, I then activated it on xp, after taking off vista, however when I dual boot I will activate it on both ops, hope thats o.k.
http://blogs.computerworld.com/it_isnt_jus...ove_leopard_too
No matter how you look at it, this one pro-Apple Blogger's opinion sure thinks Vista is terrible. Good for him
Tried it some time ago, but only in the beginning of this year I've started using it fully for development.
Lots of times got a «not responding» problem on applications. Most of the time with Windows Mail or Visual Studio 2003 without anything else opened. Even worst when that happens, can't open task manager and even CTRL+ALT+DELETE doesn't work on those cases (only solution is to force restart by pressing shutdown button)
Was hopping SP1 would get it better but don't notice any major improvement (well, just a bit on file copy operations).
Still have XP on a old machine to save me in these situations.
Think Vista has a long path to reach XP stability.
chaos
CTRL+ALT+DELETE = some user controls, e.g. change password / lock computer (task manager can be accessed from here but as it changes the whole screen I'm not sure what the effect of a crashed program is on it)
CTRL+SHIFT+ESC = task manager.
Also, Visual Studio 2003 the .NET Framework, version 1.1, and I'm not 100% sure about this but I think that vista doesn't actually come with quite a few of the 1.1 .dll files as there are newer equivalents in later versions of .NET so you may be running into a software incompatibility there.
I use vista and I get much fewer «not responding» problems than I did on XP, I even can't seem to emulate some of the problems I see posted around on the net. Maybe I'm just lucky..
Look, Vista is VERY different than XP. Many things changed just for the sake of change. Some changes may seem dumb. Some changes have been needed for a long time. But Vista is Vista. You either love it or hate it.
If you hate it, you're going to always hate it! Think Vista sucks? Then SP1 won't change anything. SP2 won't change anything. A new computer won't change anything. Getting it for free won't change anything.
If Microsoft starts giving away a free kitten with each copy of Vista, then we'd see stories like "Vista with kitten fails to impress." If Microsoft starts to bundle Office for free with Vista, you'd see posts like "Vista with Office deal still sucks."
If Microsoft enables Aero for Vista Basic with a patch and finds a way to HALVE the memory requirements of the OS with another patch, you'd still see posts like "Even the increased functionality of the OS doesn't make up for its shortcomings! It still sucks!"
All the "haters" need to shut their pie holes - or at least, need to stop getting their crap posted on Neowin. Vista is here. It is the current version of Windows. It's very capable. Many people love it. It's also selling millions of copies and will be what comes with every new computer. Deal with it.
Many people love Leopard and many people hate Vista:
http://blogs.computerworld.com/it_isnt_jus...ove_leopard_too
That includes consumers from an earlier survey and the new corp survey above. People will however be forced to get Vista with their new PCs as they won't really have a choice unless they buy a Mac.
In all honesty, do you really think Vista is worth the supposed $6 billion MS put into the project?
The "many people" you are talking about are already Mac customers and love anything Steve will put out. What you aren't seeing is this is still a single-digit marketshare of computer users (less than 10% doesn't qualify as "many"
"People will however be forced to get Vista with their new PCs as they won't really have a choice unless they buy a Mac."
Oops! Not sure what blog you read this from but here's a FACT to get you on the right path. No one has ever been "forced" to buy an operating system they didn't want. Ever. You can choose Vista, XP, or earlier editions of Windows if you want. And Macs are not the only alternative to a computer, you can also get PCs that run one of the many variations of an OS called "Linux", perhaps you've heard of it?
"People will however be forced to get Vista with their new PCs as they won't really have a choice unless they buy a Mac."
Oops! Not sure what blog you read this from but here's a FACT to get you on the right path. No one has ever been "forced" to buy an operating system they didn't want. Ever. You can choose Vista, XP, or earlier editions of Windows if you want. And Macs are not the only alternative to a computer, you can also get PCs that run one of the many variations of an OS called "Linux", perhaps you've heard of it?
Oh, please, go to any major computer store. Try to get XP on it. There'll be hardly any systems with it and the only versions that you can downgrade to XP are Vista Ultimate and Business further limiting your choice. You'll have a heck of hard time especially after June '08. As for even earlier editions, that's a joke at best. I have personally never even seen a Linux box at a major retail store. So yes, their choice in reality is Vista if they want to buy a new PC from where most people go to buy their PCs, ie. major retail stores, unless they buy a Mac.
Except for the EEE of course and that isn't really available in most computer stores and that's an area where MS have basically given up on if they stop XP OEM sales in June as Vista won't run too great on those devices leaving a free open market for Linux.
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i can't see the corporate world rushing to upgrade, there are too many factors at play there - such as cost of upgrading hardware and the actual core benefits.
if you're using a system like jd edwards or sap, then what the host operating system happens to be makes no odds really, as most of your work is done in the app, and in some environments where users use a different pc each day, even indexing which is like one of the most useful parts of vista is pretty useless because it's inefficient to carry that data around with them. it's only really useful for standalone or if you use the same pc everyday (which many people don't)
Also, there's another reason why Vista has failed to launch throughout corporations, and it actually has nothing to do with how solid Vista itself is. Corporate IT spending has been concentrated heavily on mandated areas (especially security) due to legislation such as HIPPA and Sarbanes-Oxley (the dreaded SOX); in fact, spending on HIPPA and SOX-related IT alone outstripped all other IT spending for the past two corporate IT-spending cycles in the US. The fact that public companies (with few exceptions, such as Intel and Microsoft, along with drug companies) are reinvesting less revenue back into the business (in the form of non-mandated spending in areas such as IT) and are instead increasing dividend payouts to shareholders also ties into the lack of upgrades in the enterprise. (You can't spend what you don't have.)
My own experience with Vista (which I've been running since launch) has been far more positive than the same period running XP was (and on mostly the same hardware). I've done two hardware upgrades since Vista's launch: one due to hardware failure, and one to add additional capabilities. Both upgrades were flawless and painless.
Lastly, it costs less to build a new PC today and add Vista SP1 than it did to build a new PC around Windows XP SP1, even given the vastly increased capabilities of modern PC hardware over system hardware of the XP SP1 timeframe. (In fact, I could build a truly take-no-prisoners gaming system around Vista Ultimate X64 SP1, with 4 GB of RAM, for under $2000USD, and without trying hard at all. And that includes the cost of the operating system.) Non-business IT spending is, in fact, largely up compared to the previous year; it's business IT that is taking it in the shorts.
Might want to re-check 'failure' in the dictionary.
It's a failure!
thanks for noticing my ass, perv.
Let's look at the whole article and all the sources of information presented:
-1 survey from "open source enterprise content manager provider Alfresco Software" (Hhmmmm I wonder what kind of customers this company has. All pro-Microsoft I'm sure)
-1 opinion from a consultant at IT Insight
-1 opinion from a Corporate IT forum spokesperson who suggested that many businesses will already have finalized plans for upgrading to Vista (SP1 won't change plans for companies that have already planned their upgrade)
-1 opinion from someone at Allegran Ltd, a dating service.
Throw in some obvious spelling mistakes and this author has next to no credibility. Most of the article is opinion and should not have been presented on vnunet as "news" in the first place.
Now, can these authors stop embarrassing themselves please?
I'll stop you right there. Anyone with half a brain wouldn't be reading these stupid Vista bashing articles in the first place. They're specifically designed for people with less than half a brain (or "Apple users" as we call them in IT language).
Companies don't spend 1000-2000. They lease the laptop or PC and pay about $20-50 a month, that's how the company I work for gets everyone single one of their employee a C2D T7500 2GB RAM laptop+24" dell LCD. That's ok because most of the spending can be use for tax deduction. The problem with Vista is that it is not compatible with the company's current network setup and softwares. That is the main reason they are not upgrading.
I'll stop you right there. Anyone with half a brain wouldn't be reading these stupid Vista bashing articles in the first place. They're specifically designed for people with less than half a brain (or "Apple users" as we call them in IT language).
All daily, general-use tech should be so easy.
But a whole industry has grown up around fixing Windows' lousy design, which we've named "Information Technology", because "computer repair guy" didn't do justice to the knowledge necessary to cope with Windows' level of complexity (read: bull****.)
I guess its easy to just blame Vista, dont try to do anything like see if its bad drivers (if it is bad drivers still blame Vista?), not supported hardware, or a low spec system.
Well, it generally feels better and more at home. It's here to stay on my system. I know a crew of tech fags that attend "Steve Lewis Knows PCs" and they were bashing Vista. I told'em straight up how wrong they were and some of them were even dumb founded when I showed them the ropes. They were like... uhhh... wow, I seriously didn't know that. How come you know?
as it was before is the developers that don't put effort into making all their products work with vista. and example is Dassault Systemes and their CATIA software (its like autoCAD). Engineers that rely on that program are forced to use XP because that company has not made their software compatible with vista.
as well, people are just too comfortable using old stuff. they are very conservative when it comes to computing.
For what it's worth I'm an XP user who has tried Vista on a powerful machine and found it a load of crud and reverted back to XP. I'm hopeful that Vista will improve but that ain't going to happen until SP2 is released and even then it still may not come up to XP's credentials when it comes to reliability, usability and responsiveness. I went to a Microsoft Server launch event the other day and spoke to one of the guys from Microsoft and he said "Be patient - It's coming along and it will be better than XP - Just be patient and give us time". I hope he is right because Vista is a potentially brilliant OS.
i am the first user... typing on my new laptop right now
I didn't think so.
While other versions of Vista (especially Ultimate, which I run personally and recommend to friends and even enemies) are excellent, Basic is the Third Egg That Microsoft Laid (after Windows ME and XP Home Edition), and I refuse to recommend it (or any system that can not be upgraded capability-wise to at least Home Premium/Business).
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Also another thing is that on my MacBook Pro, I hate Mac OS but the stability and power the macbook has, I just stick the OS X Disc In the notebook, Goto Disc Utility in the Setup, Zero File the drive, Goto Partition, Click 1 Partition, then choose free space, then goto the type of partition and choose MBR and hit format, the drive is completely empty, then I installed Windows Vista SP1 Ultimate Edition on it, and it runs better than Mac OS. XP doesnt compare to Vista and we should just all stop pretending like a 6 year old operating system can keep up wih our hardware. Progression is what Microsoft is doing and you all just need to give up on stupid habits, I bet you'd love vista if you knew how to customize it to your needs. The MacBook Pro came in at a Vista Experience Rating of 4.9.
The only (and I mean ONLY) two reasons to stay on XP are to run the handful of programs not yet compatible with Vista (most of which now have patches or later versions that allow them to run on Vista now anyway), or if your system is too old to meet the recommended requirements for Vista.
After running my own tests, I've concluded that XP DOES NOT outperform Vista if you have a good CPU and a decent amount of RAM (at least a dual-core, and 1GB of RAM respectively). Only morons who attempt to run Vista on older machines will see XP running better.
For the record, I'm not an MS fanboy, in fact, I'm actually quite disgusted with their monopoly of the OS market, but I have witnessed a LOT of unfair and biased bashing of their latest OS, and frankly it's getting REALLY old. Mac and Linux fanboys need a huge reality check... Windows is not a monster, and Mac OS X and Linux are not heroes that will slay that monster either.
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