Gates: Windows 7 May Come 'in the next year or so'
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#1 Posted by chrispinto on 04 Apr 2008 - 23:38
- Noone here is qualified to begin comment on Windows 7, it's Alpha (barely) it's still more or less Vista. NOONE here knows (or at least is very much disallowed to actually comment) on what is going on in the Win7 development cycle, or the features we can expect, or anything else remotely to do with what Win7 will actually be.
so don't.
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#1.1 Posted by bluarash on 05 Apr 2008 - 04:18
- I will. I think you can make an educated guess just by studying the Microsoft release schedule. Windows 7 is likely going to be an evolutionary version of Windows Vista something like Windows 95 to Windows 98.
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#1.2 Posted by +Berserk87 on 05 Apr 2008 - 06:42
- (bluarash said @ #1.1)I will. I think you can make an educated guess just by studying the Microsoft release schedule. Windows 7 is likely going to be an evolutionary version of Windows Vista something like Windows 95 to Windows 98.
ya, thats what im expecting. -
#1.3 Posted by MrWante on 06 Apr 2008 - 08:33
- Well, my name is Noone and so I am not disallowed to comment....
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#1.4 Posted by Yak on 07 Apr 2008 - 10:18
- (bluarash said @ #1.1)I will. I think you can make an educated guess just by studying the Microsoft release schedule. Windows 7 is likely going to be an evolutionary version of Windows Vista something like Windows 95 to Windows 98.
No **** sherlock -
#1.5 Posted by +Dakkaroth on 11 Apr 2008 - 07:34
- (Yak said @ #1.4)No **** sherlock
Then keep digging, Watson!
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#2 Posted by jmartin on 04 Apr 2008 - 23:53
- I know exactly what is going to be in windows 7. It will contain the cure for aids and cancer...it will solve the worlds gas shortage crisis and it will bring about world peace.
Ok well maybe not...however i know people will care more about Windows 7 and its new features than the things i mentoned above. -
#2.1 Posted by chrispinto on 04 Apr 2008 - 23:56
- very very well put there, sir
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#3 Posted by James Riske on 04 Apr 2008 - 23:55
- Since Vista has been such an utter failure I hope they have learned from their mistakes and produce a good os this time around.
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#3.1 Posted by chrispinto on 04 Apr 2008 - 23:57
- based on what?
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#3.2 Posted by toadeater on 05 Apr 2008 - 01:13
- (chrispinto said @ #3.1)based on what?
That's been discussed countless times all over the internet.
Even Vista's product manager has quit:
http://www.geek.com/interview-why-nick-white-left-microsoft/ -
#3.3 Posted by Smigit on 05 Apr 2008 - 01:20
- And theres countless articles on why Linux isnt ready for the prime time, why OS X isnt that great, why XP isn't good ect ect. What's the point?
As for the product manager leaving...it hardly seems to be due to a bad relationship with Vista or anything, people leave all the time after a project be it a success or not, some people do like a change now and again. -
#3.4 Posted by +rm20010 on 05 Apr 2008 - 02:12
- (toadeater said @ #3.2)(chrispinto said @ #3.1)based on what?
That's been discussed countless times all over the internet.
Even Vista's product manager has quit:
http://www.geek.com/interview-why-nick-white-left-microsoft/
Well, Vista's lead art designer/director left Microsoft shortly after Vista to spawn a design firm with other ex-Microsoft staff, who in turn did one project for MS. Hardly a 'failure.' -
#3.5 Posted by n_K on 05 Apr 2008 - 12:22
- 95: 1994/1995
95+: 1995/1996
98: 1997
98SE: 1998
me: 1999
2000: 1999
XP: 2001
Vista: 2008 (because without SP1 it is a POS)
Ver 7: 2009
Hah! That actually proves pista is a load of rubbish. And looking at the screenshots from the beta of windoze 7 it looks like they are going to rush creating it again, it really didn't look all good with the interfaces. Oh whatever happened to the good old days of 98 / 98SE, yes you would get a BSOD loads (even MS got it while installing a scanner) but you had a decent OS behind it that took them AGES to code and was throughly checked, hell I would trade pista for a decent version if at the expense I would have some problems now and again. -
#3.6 Posted by backdrifter on 05 Apr 2008 - 14:10
- 95: 1994/1995
95+: 1995/1996
98: 1997
98SE: 1998
me: 1999
2000: 1999
XP: 2001
Vista: 2008 (because without SP1 it is a POS)
Ver 7: 2009
Hah! That actually proves pista is a load of rubbish. And looking at the screenshots from the beta of windoze 7 it looks like they are going to rush creating it again, it really didn't look all good with the interfaces. Oh whatever happened to the good old days of 98 / 98SE, yes you would get a BSOD loads (even MS got it while installing a scanner) but you had a decent OS behind it that took them AGES to code and was throughly checked, hell I would trade pista for a decent version if at the expense I would have some problems now and again.
Sorry to be rude, but this is by far the stupidest post I've read in Neowin for some time. -
#3.7 Posted by Kushan on 05 Apr 2008 - 19:49
- (n_K said @ #3.5)95: 1994/1995
95+: 1995/1996
98: 1997
98SE: 1998
me: 1999
2000: 1999
XP: 2001
Vista: 2008 (because without SP1 it is a POS)
Ver 7: 2009
Hah! That actually proves pista is a load of rubbish. And looking at the screenshots from the beta of windoze 7 it looks like they are going to rush creating it again, it really didn't look all good with the interfaces. Oh whatever happened to the good old days of 98 / 98SE, yes you would get a BSOD loads (even MS got it while installing a scanner) but you had a decent OS behind it that took them AGES to code and was throughly checked, hell I would trade pista for a decent version if at the expense I would have some problems now and again.
There's too many things wrong with what you've just said. For a start, you're implying that ME wasn't a POS.
Either way, go crawl back into your hole, you don't know what you're talking about and lost your right to have a respected opinion. -
#3.8 Posted by ViperAFK on 05 Apr 2008 - 23:10
- (n_K said @ #3.5)95: 1994/1995
95+: 1995/1996
98: 1997
98SE: 1998
me: 1999
2000: 1999
XP: 2001
Vista: 2008 (because without SP1 it is a POS)
Ver 7: 2009
Hah! That actually proves pista is a load of rubbish. And looking at the screenshots from the beta of windoze 7 it looks like they are going to rush creating it again, it really didn't look all good with the interfaces. Oh whatever happened to the good old days of 98 / 98SE, yes you would get a BSOD loads (even MS got it while installing a scanner) but you had a decent OS behind it that took them AGES to code and was throughly checked, hell I would trade pista for a decent version if at the expense I would have some problems now and again.
LMFAO
You seriously just made my day man
"yes you would get a BSOD loads (even MS got it while installing a scanner) but you had a decent OS behind it that took them AGES to code and was throughly checked"
hahahahahahahhaha
wow.just.wow -
#3.9 Posted by +GreyWolfSC on 06 Apr 2008 - 20:38
- (Smigit said @ #3.3)And theres countless articles on why Linux isnt ready for the prime time, why OS X isnt that great, why XP isn't good ect ect. What's the point?
As for the product manager leaving...it hardly seems to be due to a bad relationship with Vista or anything, people leave all the time after a project be it a success or not, some people do like a change now and again.
Toadeater has no point. He just likes to complain about Vista. There is nothing in that article that says that Nick White left Microsoft over Vista. -
#3.10 Posted by +GreyWolfSC on 06 Apr 2008 - 20:41
- (backdrifter said @ #3.6)95: 1994/1995
95+: 1995/1996
98: 1997
98SE: 1998
me: 1999
2000: 1999
XP: 2001
Vista: 2008 (because without SP1 it is a POS)
Ver 7: 2009
Hah! That actually proves pista is a load of rubbish. And looking at the screenshots from the beta of windoze 7 it looks like they are going to rush creating it again, it really didn't look all good with the interfaces. Oh whatever happened to the good old days of 98 / 98SE, yes you would get a BSOD loads (even MS got it while installing a scanner) but you had a decent OS behind it that took them AGES to code and was throughly checked, hell I would trade pista for a decent version if at the expense I would have some problems now and again.
Sorry to be rude, but this is by far the stupidest post I've read in Neowin for some time.
That happens a lot. Make a list of who you see posting this stuff. It will be fairly short and have the same crap posted ad nauseum...
It's the same small group of whiners. -
#3.11 Posted by +Skwerl on 07 Apr 2008 - 15:33
- (n_K said @ #3.5)Hah! That actually proves pista is a load of rubbish. And looking at the screenshots from the beta of windoze 7 it looks like they are going to rush creating it again, it really didn't look all good with the interfaces. Oh whatever happened to the good old days of 98 / 98SE, yes you would get a BSOD loads (even MS got it while installing a scanner) but you had a decent OS behind it that took them AGES to code and was throughly checked, hell I would trade pista for a decent version if at the expense I would have some problems now and again.
Are you retarded?
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#4 Posted by Mike Frett on 05 Apr 2008 - 00:07
- I strongly believe if it's too different and requires a new learning experience, it will give the perfect opportunity for people to jump ship to another OS (Linux, Mac, BSD).
Even right now is a great time to just start thinking whether or not you want to try out a different Operating System.
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#5 Posted by RangerLG on 05 Apr 2008 - 00:11
- Cool, Windows 7 and Duke Nukem Forever will come out about the same time! I'm excited!
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#5.1 Posted by michael.dobrofsky on 05 Apr 2008 - 00:44
- (RangerLG said @ #5)Cool, Windows 7 and Duke Nukem Forever will come out about the same time! I'm excited!
Duke Nukem Forever is coming...just give it some time!
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#7 Posted by riojin on 05 Apr 2008 - 01:50
- vista is fine aslong as you use 64bit. its a great OS. its no worse than xp when it came out.
as for windows 7 coming in a year or so, id say itll be here in the or so. the bean counters wont want to throw too much moneys into it even if it does make it come out faster and be better. its a business, its about profit.
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#8 Posted by Xerxes on 05 Apr 2008 - 02:33
- EDIT: Nevermind, he could be referring to a public available beta of Win7, releasing (RTM) too soon could cause more damage then good.
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#8.1 Posted by Tikitiki on 05 Apr 2008 - 02:48
- I wouldn't be so quick to say that. Companies will move to stable platforms. I'd say by the time the next version of Windows comes out Vista will have good adoption by companies. Just like XP. It just takes time for it to get up to that level.
Everything is always a work in progress on various levels.
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#9 Posted by Andre on 05 Apr 2008 - 05:18
- 1. Keyword "may". Knowing Microsoft, it "may not".
2. End of 2009 counts as next year... that's 1.5 year from now. Plenty of time.
3. "New version" != retail (as already mentioned above). Most likely dumbed down public beta or something along those lines.
So, don't hold your breath peeps. -
#9.1 Posted by Kushan on 05 Apr 2008 - 19:51
- (Andre said @ #9)1. Keyword "may". Knowing Microsoft, it "may not".
2. End of 2009 counts as next year... that's 1.5 year from now. Plenty of time.
3. "New version" != retail (as already mentioned above). Most likely dumbed down public beta or something along those lines.
So, don't hold your breath peeps.
Since when has Microsoft EVER released a "dumbed down" public beta?
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#10 Posted by z0phi3l on 05 Apr 2008 - 05:36
- I'm pretty sure we can start calling Vista ME2.0 now
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#10.1 Posted by MajinDark on 05 Apr 2008 - 06:21
- I'm pretty sure you're an idiot if you believe that.
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#10.2 Posted by Jock Horror on 05 Apr 2008 - 08:15
- no, we cant...
WinMe didnt have a toilet paper version
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#10.3 Posted by +GreyWolfSC on 06 Apr 2008 - 20:43
- (z0phi3l said @ #10)I'm pretty sure we can start calling Vista ME2.0 now
You sure can... Can we call you whatever we want?
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#11 Posted by chaosblade on 05 Apr 2008 - 09:40
- Let the Windows 7 bashing begin? Morons have an interesting year to follow.
Seriously now, Why are they trapping themselves with release date 'announcements' again? There's a reason why EVERY developer does NOT commit on release dates for products. If for some justified or unjustified reason you miss the date, You get one hell of a backlash, Definitely when you're making something like an Operating System that serves the mass of the market. -
#11.1 Posted by +abulfares on 05 Apr 2008 - 09:59
- agree
seems like little billy cant keep his mouth shut for a change
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#12 Posted by Budious on 05 Apr 2008 - 10:26
- Don't they mean that a public beta test for Windows Server 2011 will go out to retail in '09? If they're still presumably following the Vista development model...
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#13 Posted by archer75 on 05 Apr 2008 - 13:37
- The problem with Vista isn't Vista. It's drivers. With good drivers Vista is both fast and stable. Probably the most stable OS i've ever used. And i'm typing this in Leopard atm.
Vista introduced a completely new driver model. Companies that have been writing drivers for the many years that XP has been with us had to learn a new way of not only writing them but making them fast and stable. It takes time for drivers to mature.
The good news is that Windows 7 uses the same driver model. So hardware vendors won't have to write new drivers. And vista drivers will be mature by then. So when Windows 7 comes out people are going to say how fast and stable it is when really it's the drivers that made it so and Vista users will have the same thing.
If you took a poll of Vista users who have the most stability and performance complaints you'll find that most are using Nvidia video cards and/or Nvidia motherboard chipsets. Nvidia drivers are worst for Vista. They suffer the most performance and stability problems right now and take the biggest hit from XP to Vista. Intel chipsets and ATI video cards take little to no performance loss from XP to Vista. And often times are posting improvements now. -
#13.1 Posted by Schmoe on 05 Apr 2008 - 17:49
- This is exactly why XP was fairly healthy on launch day. It included the same driver model as Win2K, which, for the most part, saw little usage in the home outside of developers and power users. XP's drivers had two years to mature before the OS was ever released.
Vista represents the first time that a new driver model was introduced into a consumer level OS. Technically Windows 95 was in the same boat, but hardware was so simple in the mid-90s that most "complicated" driver development could be accomplished by a couple guys in a handful of months.
Also, according to the latest tech-data released by Microsoft, certain companies contribute towards a disproportionately large share of the stability issues (nVidia, was at the top, ATI and Intel were also there, but in a more reasonable percentage compared to their overall market share).
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#14 Posted by Xilo on 05 Apr 2008 - 16:54
- If they release Windows 7 in a year, it will just turn off more users.
"We just paid $200 for Vista last year and now they want us to pay again for a new OS? Hell no..." -
#14.1 Posted by atari800 on 05 Apr 2008 - 20:09
- ok get a mac and pay for hardware upgrades.... cheaper this way it seems
or stay on winodws 98..or xp or whatever you dint upgrade from...
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#14.2 Posted by Xilo on 06 Apr 2008 - 23:30
- (atari800 said @ #14.1)ok get a mac and pay for hardware upgrades.... cheaper this way it seems
or stay on winodws 98..or xp or whatever you dint upgrade from...
Does it really matter?
I am talking about average Joe. I don't really care what Microsoft does because I don't pay for their software.
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#16 Posted by TC17 on 05 Apr 2008 - 22:33
- And I can guarantee you right now, every one of the Vista bashers will be the same people bashing the next version of Windows. Because they are all idiots.
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#17 Posted by boho on 06 Apr 2008 - 00:50
- From what I recall, Microsoft said they intended to release a new desktop O/S every two years, one major and then a minor / interim refresh. That will make Window 7 Vista R2 (probably not the long postponed Blackcombe).
My guess will be that they will quietly back pedal on (some of) the bits that make Vista so hated (by so many). Hopefully they will give it a "classic window 2000 /2003 / XP theme so System Administrators wont have to struggle around looking for things that have been shifted about in the GUI.
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#17.1 Posted by +Skwerl on 07 Apr 2008 - 15:43
- By that time, people should know where to find things. Then again, I still see a lot of people clinging to old, bad habits like keeping program icons on the desktop. I just want to shoot the people that packing their software and automatically (or even ask) about placing an icon on the desktop. Bad! Bad!
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#18 Posted by +James7 on 06 Apr 2008 - 16:43
- I read on the internet articles going back that show Microsoft originally promised to release Longhorn/Vista in 2004. I don't know I'd put much faith in what Gates says about these things......
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#20 Posted by hardgiant on 06 Apr 2008 - 23:36
- It will be built on the Windows Server 2008 improvements so it won't be to bad at all.
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#21 Posted by Tzimisce on 07 Apr 2008 - 20:07
- Windows 7 will resemble the trend of either two OS's:
it will either be the Windows ME (what ME was between 98 and XP (between vista and windows
) or it will be the XP (what XP was to ME)
Basically, it will either be a horrible piece of **** that will go down in history as a failure, or it will be an awsome OS that will be used for years to come and people will fight for its continued support when the next "omg! windoze Shorthorn comin out!!!" happens. -
#21.1 Posted by Scorbing on 09 Apr 2008 - 20:29
- What makes you think Windows Vista is not already being considered a failure?
Windows 7 = More bugs, more bloat, more useless crap, more bugs than Vista. -
#21.2 Posted by +Dakkaroth on 11 Apr 2008 - 07:46
- (Scorbing said @ #21.1)Windows 7 = More bugs, more bloat, more useless crap, more bugs than Vista.
While you're at it, why not attack everything else you haven't experienced?
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#22 Posted by Witt3439 on 12 Apr 2008 - 21:27
- I can see it now. Windows 7 will be renamed and released as Windows Vista Second Edition in order to try to convince the corporations and individuals that don't want or haven't tried Vista to give it a shot.
I've been using Vista ever since it was RTM, and I personally like it. For me at least, it is almost just as fast as XP Pro, and I haven't experienced the crashes that I did with XP.
I'm looking forward to Windows 7, and I'm hoping that so many people won't trash it like they have Vista, especially the ones that have never actually tried Vista (and probably have never even seen a genuine Vista disk in person).
Unclear is whether Gates was referring to early testing of Windows 7 coming within the year, as opposed to a widespread release or debut. An early test geared toward developers would be conceivable.