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Microsoft to add the Genuine Advantage ‘nag’ to Office

Steven Parker   on 09 April 2008 - 09:24 · 30 comments & 20927 views

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Microsoft is set to begin a pilot of a new Genuine Advantage anti-piracy mechanism for Office that will add a “nag-like” feature, akin to what is now part of Windows Vista, to Office.

Office already currently includes an Office Genuine Advantage (OGA) validation mechanism (for Office XP and Office 2007), but Microsoft doesn’t do a whole lot to “punish” those it deems to be running non-Genuine versions of Office. However, as part of a new OGA notifications pilot program — which Microsoft is launching in Chile, Italy, Spain and Turkey, according to an April 8 announcement buried in a Q&A on Microsoft’s Web site — Microsoft is set to turn up the unpleasantness a notch.

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#1 guruparan on 09 Apr 2008 - 09:38
for users who has pirated once...

I feel OK, because i have genuine....But it shouldnt annoy users...if so many will get openoffice or startoffice

Any way Office Home & student version cost less....but other versions are little costlier IMO
(3 replies) #2 williamhook on 09 Apr 2008 - 10:08
I noticed that. It's bloody annoying too. What it's done is this:

I have Office 2007 Pro, which I gained through an MS promotion a while back. It's genuine, and it says so.
I also have Visio 2007 Standard installed, which my dad obtained a key for from his office via their MSDN/Technet/whatever subscription. This is also genuine, but MS is saying it isn't.

I don't mind that so much, but it's not blocking me from downloading templates for Microsoft Word, which is EXTREMELY annoying.
#2.1 JamesWeb on 09 Apr 2008 - 10:15
Well if it's not blocking you then what's the problem?
#2.2 nowimnothing on 09 Apr 2008 - 12:55
(williamhook said @ #2)
I also have Visio 2007 Standard installed, which my dad obtained a key for from his office via their MSDN/Technet/whatever subscription. This is also genuine, but MS is saying it isn't.

While it is a genuine copy (i.e. not hacked), it's still not a legal copy (that's not a valid use for an MSDN/TechNet license). So I wouldn't complain too much
#2.3 vetmarkjensen on 09 Apr 2008 - 13:38
(nowimnothing said @ #2.2)
While it is a genuine copy (i.e. not hacked), it's still not a legal copy (that's not a valid use for an MSDN/TechNet license). So I wouldn't complain too much
Many people don't seem to realize that those types of licenses are for shops doing deployment and testing. Not for home users to "license" a ton of computers, including some for friends.
(1 reply) #3 tpor_again on 09 Apr 2008 - 12:25
Good news for Openoffice users.
#3.1 C_Guy on 09 Apr 2008 - 16:09
No effect to OpenOffice Users since the very few that use it are already on it.
(1 reply) #4 Foub on 09 Apr 2008 - 13:01
Microsoft really must hate their customers, or thinks of them as not being all that smart to accept this worthless nonsense that does nothing to stop piracy.
#4.1 Unplugged on 14 Apr 2008 - 08:08
Not rearlly their "customers" shouldn't be affected at all.

It will be the pirates that get the nag screens.
(2 replies) #5 n_K on 09 Apr 2008 - 13:08
Haha, I looked at office 2007 at college, before removing it and putting 2003 back on, can't believe companies cheeks now-a-days, charge you more to get less in an even more pathetic looking interface, pff
#5.1 IceBreakerG on 09 Apr 2008 - 13:23
The Office 2007 UI is probably the most user friendly interface I've ever used. Especially for an Office product. You may want to spend more than 5mins "looking" at it, and actually try to "use" it before you ditch it. Office 2007 is the best version of Office to be released so far. I hope they keep the UI for the next version as well.

Things are MUCH easier to accomplish with Office 2007 than they ever were with 20003. But hey, you're the one using it. If you want to click through 5 menu's to do 1 thing instead of clicking a tab then the button, that's your choice.
#5.2 Llamaman on 10 Apr 2008 - 01:40
(IceBreakerG said @ #5.1)
The Office 2007 UI is probably the most user friendly interface I've ever used. Especially for an Office product. You may want to spend more than 5mins "looking" at it, and actually try to "use" it before you ditch it. Office 2007 is the best version of Office to be released so far. I hope they keep the UI for the next version as well.

Things are MUCH easier to accomplish with Office 2007 than they ever were with 20003. But hey, you're the one using it. If you want to click through 5 menu's to do 1 thing instead of clicking a tab then the button, that's your choice.


I agree, at first I didnt really like the new office 2007 interface but now i've got to learn it I defenetly prefer it over the old office interfaces.
#6 Angel Blue01 on 09 Apr 2008 - 13:18
Ha, all the people I know who are using pirated Office 2000 won't be affected by this
(4 replies) #7 on 01 Jan 1970 - 00:00
#7.1 Raptor on 09 Apr 2008 - 14:44
It's sad that legal users have more problems than pirates. After the fiasco of my (legal) copy of Vista deactivating and having to phone across the world to keep using it, I strongly considered going the BIOS route. If it ever decides that it should deactivate on me again, I very well may.

It also amused me how much difficulty the CSR could have with my answers to my questions (to her credit she was friendly).
(Paraphrased
Her: "How many machines is the software installed on?"
Me: "The software is installed on one computer."
Her (Confused): "Is it running on more than one computer?"

As far as I can tell she seemed to think I might have been implying I had just installed it on another machine in addition to the computer I was trying to reactivate.
#7.2 Bosaka on 09 Apr 2008 - 14:46
Even when you do move to Mac don't bother with Office 2008. It's still network hunt for key usage causing the apps to take 2-3 minutes to open is flippin' silly.
#7.3 GreyWolfSC on 09 Apr 2008 - 16:04
(0sm3l said @ #7)
Thank you Microsoft, yet another reason why I should move to Mac. Ive had enough of the stupid Genuine crap. Ive had to call 3 times already .


Apple does the same thing. The only difference is their check is a hardware key on the motherboard. OSX is riddled with TPM checks.

Last edited by bmaher on 09 Apr 2008 - 16:14
#7.4 MrA on 09 Apr 2008 - 20:19
(GreyWolfSC said @ #7.3)
OSX is riddled with TPM checks.


You know, it's funny, that even though OSX is "riddled" with TPM checks, I have no problems on my macbook pro that doesn't even have a TPM chip.
(1 reply) #8 Xilo on 09 Apr 2008 - 15:35
Why do companies waste so much time into "stopping" illegal copies? There will always be a way for people to pirate the software. All it does is hurt the paying customer. The time and money spent on this stupid genuine advantage crap could be put to use for like fixing office, vista, etc.
#8.1 C_Guy on 09 Apr 2008 - 16:13
How many times does this have to be explained? "Genuine Advantage" programs are designed to stop casual copying only. Microsoft isn't naive enough to think they can stop piracy completely. That is not their goal.
#9 GreyWolfSC on 09 Apr 2008 - 16:03
Well, I paid for my Office as well so I guess I'll get 'nagged' as much as for WGA... Zero.
(2 replies) #10 C_Guy on 09 Apr 2008 - 16:12
Wow, the people without genuine copies sure appear to be upset.

The honest ones who paid for it.... no complaints. We didn't even notice

I hope all the complainers do switch because if they aren't acquiring Office legally they should switch to open source (if that's all they can afford) or go to the dark side. Teach Microsoft a lesson.
#10.1 blu3f1sh on 09 Apr 2008 - 20:03
Wow, the people without genuine copies sure appear to be upset.

Not really. Everything is working just fine.
#10.2 joker999 on 10 Apr 2008 - 12:30
Wow, the people without genuine copies sure appear to be upset.

I test it. It is working.
#11 backdrifter on 09 Apr 2008 - 16:19
I've not seen a single individual who actually bought Office for personal use in Turkey. There will be blood
(2 replies) #12 jimmy_jazz on 09 Apr 2008 - 18:04
If office was no more than £39.99 (UK) to buy then there would hardly any point to install a pirate version, 40 quid is the price point where most people (personal or business) are happy to pay for any software or game.

They would sell more copies which = more revenue for them everybody wins.

Office 2007 professional retail can cost over 400 quid, what planet are Microsoft on?
#12.1 +Kirkburn on 09 Apr 2008 - 22:28
(jimmy_jazz said @ #12)
If office was no more than �39.99 (UK) to buy then there would hardly any point to install a pirate version, 40 quid is the price point where most people (personal or business) are happy to pay for any software or game.

They would sell more copies which = more revenue for them everybody wins.

Office 2007 professional retail can cost over 400 quid, what planet are Microsoft on?

And what exactly does Office include? Is it a single piece of software?

If we were to take the cheapest copy of Office and make that £40 ... that'd be £10 each for Word, Excel, Powerpoint and OneNote.

£10 each (about $20)? Are you kidding?

If we look at actual prices for Home and Student, it's £80 (Amazon.co.uk). Seems fairly reasonable to me.
#12.2 jimmy_jazz on 09 Apr 2008 - 22:56
I am just pointing out that with at least 8 out of 10 windows users using Office and only a few of them legally, I believe a £40
price would attract many more legal users. Office isn't like some obscure CAD application, it is used by practically everyone, thats allot of potential customers.

Also The Home and student edition is not an option for business, take a small business with 20 users The cost of the Licences make using the GWH28***** version of 2003 Professional a no brainer.
#13 rm20010 on 10 Apr 2008 - 13:41
Not at all worried as I got Home and Student back in February, then got ticked off at MS for introducing The Ultimate Steal months after, then somehow winning a copy of Office Ultimate at an on-campus TechFest.

As for Openoffice: can they please update that goddamned ugly UI? The suite looks bearable enough on Ubuntu thanks to all those icon customizations, but the stock 2.3 installation on Windows was like 2000 all over again.
#14 TC17 on 10 Apr 2008 - 19:24
Thats funny, because this past year, a Microsoft spokesman said just the opposite, that they weren't going to be doing that to the new Office.
#15 TC17 on 10 Apr 2008 - 19:26
And your also a fool if you think it won't be bypassed.

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