Hotmail via Outlook Express no more after June 30th

Thanks to brent3000 who posted this in our Back Page News forum, it seems Microsoft is permanently disabling the ability to receive Hotmail via Outlook Express from June 30th. The software giant recommended via email to its DAV protocol users, the free Windows Live Mail desktop utility as an alternative.

Thank you for using Microsoft® Outlook® Express. Our information indicates that you use Outlook Express to access a Windows Live™ Hotmail® e-mail account via a protocol called DAV (Distributed Authoring and Versioning protocol). DAV, like POP3 or IMAP, is the way that a mail client communicates with a web-based mail server.

As a valued customer, we want to provide advanced notice that as of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you will no longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox via Outlook Express. As an alternative, we recommend that you download Windows Live Mail, a free desktop e-mail client that has the familiarity of Outlook Express and much more. This next generation of free e-mail software will allow you to easily manage multiple e-mail accounts—including Windows Live Hotmail, plus other e-mail accounts that support POP3/IMAP. Better yet, Windows Live Mail integrates well with other Windows Live services, and downloads in minutes. After you provide your user name and password, you will automatically be linked to your Hotmail account, providing continued access to your email and contacts.

Link to: Article in Back Page News

Windows Live Mail can completely replace Outlook Express, as it supports Hotmail, GMail, Yahoo! and POP accounts:

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Windows Live Mail has superior Junk Mail Filters over Outlook Express, although the glass effect is not supported in Windows XP.

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I do not like WLM as much as I used to like OE. The reason, I have 2 hotmail accounts, one I use for personal emails and one I use for other business & email junkies. I have had different junk mail settings on these and they had been working perfect with the OE. However, when I put these in WLM, it seems I can only have one kind of setting that is enabled on both of them. I really do not like it because I need higher junk mail protection on one (and only one). Do you guys know any way around this?
I really miss the "identities" feature that is there inn OE but not in WLM.

You know it's kinda funny. In my WLM account I've put email adverts sent by MSFT to be viewed as junk mail by the junk mail filter. It shouldn't surprise me, it doesn't work. I still get adverts from MSFT touting this or that service. Well, its free and SkyDrive is pretty good.

I'm too lazy too look this up--does Live mail include a newsgroup reader?

If not, sorry MS--it's the only reason I still use Outlook Express. It's "good enough" for me for plain text newsgroups, so unless WLM supports it, I have no reason to switch to something else, whether Microsoft or third-party.

How does WLM store local e-mails? I hated OE and the default mail in Vista because there was no easy way to backup e-mails or rules.

(necrosis said @ #13)
How does WLM store local e-mails? I hated OE and the default mail in Vista because there was no easy way to backup e-mails or rules.

Both Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail store individual .EML files for each email you have.

It makes it easier for indexing purposes.

Also, in the event of corruption, you lose only the damaged messages, not the entire database they were in.

It is really sad to see people claiming that this is justified because the program is so old. That has absolutely nothing to do with this decision. MS wants users to use DeltaSync so contacts, calendar, and mail can be kept in-sync between devices. I just wish the mail would also be available via IMAP or some other open standard. OE users could continue using that.

You'd think with GMail kicking them in the teeth they'd wise up, but it appears that they aren't. Guess I'll hobble on by with Thunderbird's WebMail extension from now on. Hotmail's web interface is horrible.

Windows Live Mail has a weird interface to me.

It's hard to explain. The bars you drag to resize the display window are thinner than they are in OE or any other mail program.

The "header" part of each message (From/To/Subject part) is a LOT bigger than it is in OE. It takes up twice the space.

Yeah, I also like how it insists on using its own special-looking menus that don't fit in with the rest of the system. So much for UI consistency.

It's for people connecting with Microsoft Exchange. I use Outlook at home for my POP3 mail though because it's my own preference.

erm, outlook is a businness application which has many advanced features that a regular email user would never touch

windows mail = standalone client that receive your mail like outloook express or thunderbird

windows live mail = hotmail

I thought Hotmail was Windows Live Hotmail and not Windows Live Mail...

And if Windows Live Mail is not a desktop client how could it replace OE, Windows Mail would replace OE...

I'm not understanding something...

(eilegz said @ #8.1)
windows mail = standalone client that receive your mail like outloook express or thunderbird

windows live mail = hotmail

Actually I believe its more like:

Windows Live Mail - Hotmail (log in within your browser)

Windows Live Mail Desktop - The desktop app.

Windows Mail - Vista version of WLM Desktop (i think?)

(vibeone said @ #8.3)
Windows Mail - Vista version of WLM Desktop (i think?)

Yes, kind of in the feature set, but Vista's built-in version is older.

I.e. they are not equivalents, and Vista users will also gain on upgrading to WLM Desktop.

Probably not a great idea to answer questions like this unless you actually know the answer...

Outlook Express 6 (brand name) - included with XP, downloadable with IE6

Windows Mail (brand name) = Outlook Express "7" - included with Vista, no separate download. Removed WebDAV (so cannot access Hotmail accounts), added Outlook-like right-hand reading pane, phishing filter, spam filter

Windows Live Mail (brand name) = Outlook Express "8" - standalone download. Added DeltaSync (restoring Hotmail account access), Live Contacts, RSS, better photo support, separate inboxes for different accounts. Despite what you may read, does not contain ads unless you turn them on.

These are simply newer versions of the same program, developed by the same team, just branded differently.

Windows Live Hotmail = MSN Hotmail (web-based)
Windows Live Mail Desktop = no such thing (this was a code name in beta only)

I don't see what the big deal is. I mean, how old is this program? 10 years at least?
Just look how old looking it is even from the screenshots above...

Windows Live Mail still has issues though and still acts like its a beta program. I have used it at work and found a lot of the times it does NOT sync folders/emails when it says it did. You have no way of knowing this unless you go out of your way and check your mail directly on the web and find that your emails that were marked as read by WLM are still marked as unread on the web and are still in the inbox when you deleted them. This would happen even after you try and synchronize the folders/emails.

(Steve B said @ #6)
Windows Live Mail still has issues though and still acts like its a beta program. I have used it at work and found a lot of the times it does NOT sync folders/emails when it says it did. You have no way of knowing this unless you go out of your way and check your mail directly on the web and find that your emails that were marked as read by WLM are still marked as unread on the web and are still in the inbox when you deleted them. This would happen even after you try and synchronize the folders/emails.
Are you sure you're using the latest version? I have not had this problem.

(Ogden2k said @ #6.1)
Are you sure you're using the latest version? I have not had this problem.

Hi, yeah, I downloaded the latest version directly from MS. I actually use Outlook at home with OC. Maybe it was a blip. LOL

I may not recommend that new one but i have been using OE since i got my email accounts.. never had any issues with it and loved it

Was very sad to see this come through...

Good stuff. Outlook Express is a relic of a less advanced Age. I must admit that I didn't download WiLMa until recently, but the promise of being able to view all my hotmail/live account without having to go to live.com drew me in, and it's great. I've got 9 email accounts that I can access out of it, and this is the first time (ever), that I've been able to view them all from one application.

It does seem to lack some options though (saving draft emails so they can be accessed by other programs for one).

One thing the email doesn't make clear though, and I read it most carefully when I got mine, is whether you can still access it via the full Outlook. I don't use OE or WLM... I use Outlook...

Well it says "Outlook Express" pretty explicitly so I would assume that thats what they meant and not outlook, live mail or anything else that may connect to it. Probably just a push to get people onto the new product and/or possibly to help push the live branding.

(boho said @ #2)
Good old Microsoft, no wonder why people love them so! "Just install more software!"

Uh?! considering windows live mail desktop is free and superior to any other free email program (the beloved Thunderbird included).... I find your statement pointless .

WL Mail is fast, smooth, full of feature including a good junk mail filter and native built in support for multiple accounts that looks good and is very clear to the user.

Meh, don't listen to him. Anything Microsoft related to him is evil. Don't even understand why he'd come to a site dedicated to Microsoft software. :confused:

(Beastage said @ #2.1)
considering windows live mail desktop is free and superior to any other free email program (the beloved Thunderbird included)....

WL Mail is fast, smooth, full of feature including a good junk mail filter and native built in support for multiple accounts that looks good and is very clear to the user.

I have a question for you. Would you recommend Windows Live Mail over Office Outlook 2007? I'm just asking, as I'm curious about WLM, as I've only just found out that this existed outside of Windows Vista!

WLM is the next generation of OE.
Outlook howvr is a whole other league. though WLM isactually very good in many ways for csual use compared to outlook.

perosnally I use outlook on my laptop ad WLM to download my mail on my desktop, when I do that.

(MightyJordan said @ #2.3)

I have a question for you. Would you recommend Windows Live Mail over Office Outlook 2007? I'm just asking, as I'm curious about WLM, as I've only just found out that this existed outside of Windows Vista! :D

To be honest, as a pure email client (and news reader) WLMail is better than outlook 2007 but O2007 has other features of course.