Microsoft: Vista Sales Pass 140 Million Mark
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#1 Posted by TickleOnTheTum on 28 Apr 2008 - 11:40
- What I presume this doesn't take into account is all the people who got Vista pre-installed on a new PC 'for free', wiped it and put their old copy of XP on instead. I assume that as long as the company (Dell, HP, etc.) buy it and pre-install it, it counts as a sale? Not really representative of how popular the OS is as a whole is it.
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#1.1 Posted by boho on 28 Apr 2008 - 13:26
- (TickleOnTheTum said @ #1)What I presume this doesn't take into account is all the people who got Vista pre-installed on a new PC 'for free', wiped it and put their old copy of XP on instead.
I for one, did just that, bought a $1000 laptop with Vista Home Premium. Vista as the O/S lasted about 2 days before I blatted it. I had no problems with the software (or any preloaded c-rapware), I just could not get on with the ass about **** O/S, with all the stupid "do you want to do this" questions, lousy explorer and all my favourite applets either missing, or spread to the wind. Found a leaked copy of RTM SP3 at the weekend, so am now "over the moon"
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#1.2 Posted by bluarash on 28 Apr 2008 - 15:23
- I agree. Last night I reformatted my hard disk and installed DOS. It doesn't have the features of the NT kernel, but it does not have the bloat either. Now if I can just find that hamster that is loose in order to run the wheel, that turns the water, that powers my computer.
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#1.3 Posted by toadeater on 28 Apr 2008 - 22:55
- (TickleOnTheTum said @ #1)What I presume this doesn't take into account is all the people who got Vista pre-installed on a new PC 'for free', wiped it and put their old copy of XP on instead. I assume that as long as the company (Dell, HP, etc.) buy it and pre-install it, it counts as a sale? Not really representative of how popular the OS is as a whole is it.
Even the downgrades to XP count as Vista sales, according to MS. You have to buy a license of Vista to get an XP downgrade.
What does it matter? Vista in the "real world" still has only about 13% of the PC market. That's real world usage, not the numbers of licenses sold. Is 13% = 140 million? Maybe it is? Maybe it isn't.
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#2 Posted by James7 on 28 Apr 2008 - 11:41
- I also wonder how many of these Vista sales are really XP sales in disguise, as explained here: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/arti..._30_cutoff.html :
'Dell will take advantage of a licensing option in Vista Business and Vista Ultimate that lets PC makers provide XP under the Vista license, which Microsoft calls a "downgrade" license. (Enterprises with site licenses have these same rights with any version of Vista.) In essence, the user is buying a Vista license that it can apply to XP, and Microsoft can still claim a Vista sale.' -
#2.1 Posted by Captain555 on 28 Apr 2008 - 16:14
- It is not just Dell. Acer does it too. They give you the reinstall disk with the laptop or PC for FREE.
Take about 30 minutes and voila. XP Pro. Makes all my customers real happy.
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#3 Posted by cork1958 on 28 Apr 2008 - 12:05
- I can account for as many as 50+ machines that I have personally blown Vista off of and Installed XP Pro onto.
Have also wiped a few out and installed whichever Linux distro the person wanted as the sole OS onto them. -
#3.1 Posted by guruparan on 28 Apr 2008 - 12:39
- (cork1958 said @ #3)I can account for as many as 50+ machines that I have personally blown Vista off of and Installed XP Pro onto.
Have also wiped a few out and installed whichever Linux distro the person wanted as the sole OS onto them.
It shows either you are installing XP because you have a specialized software which isnt compatible with Vista...or you make people use only XP (since you dont have time to learn vista & its features which are good compared to XP). -
#3.2 Posted by Foub on 28 Apr 2008 - 12:44
- (guruparan said @ #3.1)It shows either you are installing XP because you have a specialized software which isnt compatible with Vista...or you make people use only XP (since you dont have time to learn vista & its features which are good compared to XP).
I had more than "enough time to learn" Vista (six months). XP is still better. Vista is primarily cosmetic and bloatware. You're going to have to realize that Vista is a failure and denying it, as you keep doing, is only going to make you look foolish in the end. -
#3.3 Posted by mocax on 28 Apr 2008 - 13:18
- Windows XP is better than Vista in the same way that Windows 2000 was better than XP.
I remember when I had to strip XP of all the bloated GUI and unnecessary services to make the PCs of that time run nearly as well as on Win2K. -
#3.4 Posted by cesc on 28 Apr 2008 - 20:08
- (mocax said @ #3.3)Windows XP is better than Vista in the same way that Windows 2000 was better than XP.
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#3.5 Posted by smctainsh on 29 Apr 2008 - 05:13
- (cesc said @ #3.4)(mocax said @ #3.3)Windows XP is better than Vista in the same way that Windows 2000 was better than XP.
The world's IQ just dropped.
These news posts bring about the same old discussion. I personally reckon that Windows Vista is better than XP - all you have to do is take the time to get used to it (which isn't that long at all). I get the impression that the people who say that 'Vista sucks' are those who are running it on hardware which it obviously won't run smoothly on (example - 256MB RAM).
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#4 Posted by
markjensen on 28 Apr 2008 - 12:24
- Regardless of how many of these are "actual" Vista installs at the moment, this is an important milestone for Microsoft. And, in a few years most people will be running Vista by the time the next Windows comes out. Either way, Microsoft gets your money.
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#5 Posted by Screaming Slave on 28 Apr 2008 - 13:14
- Considering how much of a "failure" Vista is, 140 million is quite a lot.
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#5.1 Posted by Foub on 28 Apr 2008 - 13:36
- Also considering that most likely the majority of those "sales" were for pre-installed systems as well and its not actual true sales. Its still bloatware. Most "customers" don't know any better. Many of them believe that Windows and PC are the same thing.
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#5.2 Posted by +GreyWolfSC on 28 Apr 2008 - 14:33
- (Foub said @ #5.1)Also considering that most likely the majority of those "sales" were for pre-installed systems as well and its not actual true sales. Its still bloatware. Most "customers" don't know any better. Many of them believe that Windows and PC are the same thing.
Suck it up and shut up or learn about consumer choice and buy something else. Even Apple thinks Windows and PC are the same thing. "I'm a crappy Mac; I'm a PC."
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#5.3 Posted by markjensen on 28 Apr 2008 - 14:49
- Ahhh... We have Foub with his "I hate Microsoft" attitude. And GreyWolfSC with his "I hate Apple" attitude.
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#5.4 Posted by tsupersonic on 28 Apr 2008 - 17:36
- (markjensen said @ #5.3)Ahhh... We have Foub with his "I hate Microsoft" attitude. And GreyWolfSC with his "I hate Apple" attitude.I hate Linux! Now it's complete. Oh wait, Linux doesn't count as an OS. Linux, if anything is more of a failure than Vista will ever be.
This thread is complete!
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#5.5 Posted by C_Guy on 28 Apr 2008 - 18:03
- "the majority of those "sales" were for pre-installed systems...and its not actual true sales"
Ahhh, logic... where did you go?
According to you, if you sell a Vista license to a manufacturer to pre-install on a computer it's not a sale? Then I guess Mac OS X's sales are zero, except for those buying the service packs to upgrade their pre-installed OS. -
#5.6 Posted by +Dakkaroth on 28 Apr 2008 - 20:19
- Whatever OS works for you is your own personal preference. Why do you have to hate people who use Linux, Vista, or some other OS you don't like? Jesus, so many people sit and think that because they didn't have a good experience, that everyone else making the decision to use that particular operating system is retarded.
Seriously now, stop with all the emotional bitching. -
#5.7 Posted by markjensen on 28 Apr 2008 - 20:34
- (tsupersonic said @ #5.4)I hate Linux! Now it's complete. Oh wait, Linux doesn't count as an OS. Linux, if anything is more of a failure than Vista will ever be.You are right. It is complete now that you have trolled.
"Linux is free only if your time has no value."
Neowin would be so much nicer without people who deliberately seek to start flamewars by trolling. -
#5.8 Posted by +rm20010 on 28 Apr 2008 - 22:51
- I'm all for expressing your opinions, but:
When the same 2 or 3 people from either camp start posting nothing but a bash and flame in predictable threads it gets really annoying. -
#5.9 Posted by +Dakkaroth on 29 Apr 2008 - 00:28
- (rm20010 said @ #5.
I'm all for expressing your opinions, but:
When the same 2 or 3 people from either camp start posting nothing but a bash and flame in predictable threads it gets really annoying.
This is why I'd like a + and - rating system for comments that are posted. That way the irrelevant drivel can be put aside.
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#6 Posted by stifler6478 on 28 Apr 2008 - 14:28
- Wow guys. Even if people got it preinstalled and wiped it, that's besides the ****ing point. Microsoft still got the money for it.
You guys do need to a reality check though. I'd be completely surprised if even 10% of those who got it preinstalled wiped it. It's not going to be as common as you think.
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#6.1 Posted by bluarash on 28 Apr 2008 - 15:21
- Microsoft: "There is no escape. Don't make me destroy you. You do not yet realize the importance of Vista. You have only begun to discover your power. Join us and we will complete your training. With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the PC desktop empire."
XP user: "I'll never join you!"
Microsoft: If you only knew the power of Vista. The media never told you the truth about Vista.
XP user: "They told me enough! They told me you killed it!"
Microsoft: "No. Vista is simply an upgrade to your existing system to provide new features common in other systems. An augmentation really."
XP user: Shocked, XP user look at Microsoft in utter disbelief.
XP user: "No. No. That's not True! That's impossible!"
Microsoft: "Search your feelings. You Know it be true."
XP user: "No! No! No!" -
#6.2 Posted by El Sid on 28 Apr 2008 - 20:26
- (bluarash said @ #6.1)Microsoft: "There is no escape. Don't make me destroy you. You do not yet realize the importance of Vista. You have only begun to discover your power. Join us and we will complete your training. With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the PC desktop empire."
XP user: "I'll never join you!"
Microsoft: If you only knew the power of Vista. The media never told you the truth about Vista.
XP user: "They told me enough! They told me you killed it!"
Microsoft: "No. Vista is simply an upgrade to your existing system to provide new features common in other systems. An augmentation really."
XP user: Shocked, XP user look at Microsoft in utter disbelief.
XP user: "No. No. That's not True! That's impossible!"
Microsoft: "Search your feelings. You Know it be true."
XP user: "No! No! No!"
Fantastic!
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#7 Posted by Galley on 28 Apr 2008 - 15:42
- When Vista launched, our CompUSA had a midnight event. They sold five copies. At the OS X Leopard event, they sold 100 copies in two days.
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#7.1 Posted by redwingsmonk on 28 Apr 2008 - 16:00
- (Galley said @ #7)When Vista launched, our CompUSA had a midnight event. They sold five copies. At the OS X Leopard event, they sold 100 copies in two days.
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#7.2 Posted by markjensen on 28 Apr 2008 - 16:54
- (Galley said @ #7)When Vista launched, our CompUSA had a midnight event. They sold five copies. At the OS X Leopard event, they sold 100 copies in two days.Wow! Who wouldda thunk it?
Product "B" sold more in two days than Product "A" did in a single midnight event?
Truly amazing!
When you get figures that match time periods, say two days of Vista sales, post again, please.
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#8 Posted by mel00 on 28 Apr 2008 - 16:13
- hmm... I wonder if Microsoft is pulling numbers out of there asses, just like RIAA "Piracy cost us billion of dollars" same bs from MPAA as well.
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#9 Posted by KoDeXeRo on 28 Apr 2008 - 17:02
- i'm still surprised about the claim that so many people downgraded. Ok few things:
1: You "uber" geeks here probably wouldn't buy Vista on your system so why would your numbers be included. You build your systems right?
2: OK so you've downgraded "50" machines to XP from Vista - nice but 140 mil -minus 50 equals?
3: Ok ok, so you had to get a Dell laptop cuz they are sweet and you can't build one. You still wouldn't get Vista on it if you hate it so much.
4: How many of "you" do you think are out there? Minus your geek squad buddies and a few others the majority of Acer/Dell/HP customers are average people that just wants the latest and greatest. You honestly think 50+% of them are downgrading their PCs to XP? These are people that bought a Dell we're talking about here. Not saying Acer is that bad but just the share audacity to think that many people know that mucha bout computers in the first place is just shocking. "WOW" is all i can say to that.
Now even if the OEMs sell more laptops with XP on them vs Vista ones. That still wouldn't say Vista is doing terrible. But since that's not the case then i guess that point in moot. I really wish Dell or some of the other big companies would release some numbers to compare sales figures. That would just solve lot of bickering.
I liked XP when i had it on my system, still recommend it based on needs and the system it's going to be used on but i also recommend Vista as well and i've had no backlashes about that. I've had to downgrade 0 systems, while on the other hand i've upgraded about "50" machines also. My GF with her Dell Inspiron 6000 which i wouldn't recommend for, loves it and went out and got bigger HDD and RAM for me to install in her system cuz she just doesn't want to go back to XP. (she hates computers too, maybe it's that or just my love affair with them)
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#10 Posted by Faisal Islam on 28 Apr 2008 - 18:35
- Back to 2001, we all said 'XP sucks!', love windows '98/2000'. now we all love 'XP'. Same to vista.
caz
Xp needed 512MB+ (1GB recom) ram, we had 128-256MB, PATA HDD etc.
Vista needs 4GB+ , 512MB AGP, we have 1GB+ (2gb ma
RAM, 128-256MB AGP.
so 1st we have to meet with recommend requirement, thn we should decide.
& i think '140 Million' is not impossible caz many ppl bought Vista & installed it, (though they back to xp again.)
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#12 Posted by Mike Frett on 29 Apr 2008 - 04:07
- That's not a lot of people. 300 Million alone in the US. Around 6.5 Billion worldwide.
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#12.1 Posted by epple on 29 Apr 2008 - 09:55
- LOL, there were 1 billion Internet users in 2005 and an expected 2 billion by 2011, so let's say there's about 1.4-1.5 billion currently. I wonder how many there were when Vista was launched. 1.2 billion?
So having sold 140M copies since launch is quite impressive I'd say.
Than again, it's all numbers... Some salt is always handy to have.
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#13 Posted by inbound39 on 29 Apr 2008 - 06:49
- I am not against Vista. It is simply a case tha many businesses for the first time have hit a brick wall with it. We had no problem transferring programs old or otherwise from system to system until we got to Vista. It is all well and good saying "Well if you are going to use old applications then what do you expect". Fact is cost. Carrara is not old and neither is ZBrush. And as I said even CS2 9 Photoshop gave me issues.
XP had hiccups at the beginning but did not spend as much time in preparation before it was launched. Look at how many years Vista was in the making before it was launched. Surely that was more than enough time to iron out the bugs. If they want businessses to embrace it they NEED to iron out the incompatability issues....full stop......end of story. When it functions economically they will see sales soar from within the business sector and they need to open their eyes and ears at Microsoft.
In its fiscal third quarter earnings call Thursday, Microsoft met the Street's expectations but saw quarterly profit drop 11 percent from the year-ago quarter. However, the results were skewed by Microsoft's booking of $1.7 billion in deferred revenue from its Express Upgrade to Windows Vista and Microsoft Office Technology Guarantee programs as well as pre-shipments of Vista and Office 2007. Microsoft's overall profit dipped to $4.39 billion, or 47 cents per share, compared to $4.93 billion, or 50 cents per share, in the same quarter last year. Thomson Financial analysts had been expecting profit of 44 cents per share.