AMD Phenom X3 processor family performance
Posted by Julio Franco on 06 May 2008 - 08:16 · 23 comments & 4945 views
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#1 Posted by Chicane-UK on 06 May 2008 - 08:29
- Not exactly a glowing review. AMD really need to get their act together!
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#2 Posted by hardgiant on 06 May 2008 - 08:34
- Sigh....how the mighty have fallen. I remember when the x2 first came out, it crushed the Pentium D.
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#3 Posted by HoochieMamma on 06 May 2008 - 10:34
- How are they supposed to be faster then anything out now? They have 3 cores and they are comparing them to quad cores. These chips are supposed to be good for a price/performance ratio and thats it and not compared to the highest end chips.
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#4 Posted by LTD on 06 May 2008 - 11:00
- So has AMD turned into the budget brand?
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#4.1 Posted by LipSmacker on 06 May 2008 - 15:42
- (LTD said @ #4)So has AMD turned into the budget brand?
Hasn't this always been the case? I've been running on AMD since the K6 days, since the chips were always cheaper than Intel's. -
#4.2 Posted by jstillion on 06 May 2008 - 15:45
- (LipSmacker said @ #4.1)(LTD said @ #4)So has AMD turned into the budget brand?
Hasn't this always been the case? I've been running on AMD since the K6 days, since the chips were always cheaper than Intel's.
With the Athon, AMD took the speed crown away form Intel and kept it away for years, and Intel manged to grab it back with the Duo Core 2's, but your right AMD started out as a budget cpu position for a longest time.
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#5 Posted by atari800 on 06 May 2008 - 11:48
- Toss in defective memory (4 gig kit which only registers 2.8 gigs), a monitor that only has RED and GREEN guns, a mouse that only moves up and right and this is a great system
It is scary that they make a product line from an abundance of defective parts
AMD = Advanced Malfunctioning Devices
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#5.1 Posted by jstillion on 06 May 2008 - 15:43
- You do realize the early Intel Celeron's where a standard Pentium cpu with cache error's and they cut the connection to the cache and made it a "Celeron".
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#5.2 Posted by strekship on 06 May 2008 - 15:49
- You do know that AMD and Intel have rebranded malfunctioning high end chips as budget chips for a long time, right?
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#5.3 Posted by Xenomorph on 06 May 2008 - 15:51
- (atari800 said @ #5)Toss in defective memory (4 gig kit which only registers 2.8 gigs), a monitor that only has RED and GREEN guns, a mouse that only moves up and right and this is a great system
It is scary that they make a product line from an abundance of defective parts
AMD = Advanced Malfunctioning Devices
Are people really this dumb?
I think the ignorant are going to hurt the sales of X3 chips more than anything else.
Do you not know how computer companies work?
NVidia sells video card chipsets locked at slower speeds if they failed to run at the speed they were designed for.
ATI sells video card chipsets locked at slower speeds if they failed to run at the speed they were designed for.
Intel sells CPUs that are locked at slower speeds if they failed to run at the speed they were designed for.
This is something all companies have done for YEARS.
They make a certain chip, and if it fails in some test they disable the bad part and sell it as a cheaper chip.
What CPU do you have? What video card do you have? Those were possibly designed to run at a certain speed, failed a test, were deemed "defective", and then clock-locked at a lower speed and sold as a slower chip that originally planned.
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#7 Posted by 6XGate on 06 May 2008 - 13:16
- You have to pay close attention to the core speed and note that only 200 points difference on the first benchmark between the Core 2 Duo (3.0GHz) and X3 8750 (2.4GHz). The real problem is that the X3 is only $5 cheaper... AMD may want to rethink the price. Either 195.00 (newegg.com) for the AMD or 199.00 (newegg.com as well) for the Intel. AMD use to be all about more bang for the buck, but this really isn't quite there.
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#8 Posted by pyehac on 06 May 2008 - 21:19
- With this new processor, I guess we'll see hexcore processors soon (6-core).
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#9 Posted by jago_lfn on 07 May 2008 - 01:55
- "allows AMD to sell Phenom X4 processors with a defective core"
remind me again why i'd want to buy a broken cpu? -
#9.1 Posted by random_n on 07 May 2008 - 03:50
- It's cheaper, and the parts you can use aren't broken?
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#9.2 Posted by Xenomorph on 07 May 2008 - 06:45
- (jago_lfn said @ #9)"allows AMD to sell Phenom X4 processors with a defective core"
remind me again why i'd want to buy a broken cpu?
Are you aware that both your Video Card and current CPU may already be "BROKEN" versions of faster models??? -
#9.3 Posted by dtomilson on 07 May 2008 - 14:19
- Are you stupid? As others have stated already, ALL MANUFACTURERS sale rebranded or new SKU items based on defective parts. They stiff function fine at slower speeds or with a core or some other feature disabled.
I used to think NEOWIN members were all savvy but I guess with this many members idiots are able to make their way through the cracks.
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#10 Posted by atari800 on 07 May 2008 - 16:30
- Name another company that PROMOTES defective hardware
I dont see anywhere (at this time) something or some place that says "8800 GT Nvidia cards packaged by BFG has only 80 Steam processors where as Nvidia OEM have a full 112 processors"
If I did, I would be aware that BFG is not the best or could explain why it is cheaper from them.
I can understand companies like BFG or Diamond or whoever, buying the GPU's only from NVIDIA or ATI, using other brand of memory and providing a different heatsink or having facilities themselves to assemble the cards and make a profit
After reading that review - I can say it is a fast CPU but the price of it is still too high especially knowing it is a defect that has been modified to reflect a 25% bad CPU into a 100% good CPU
No one at NEOWIN or Intel or AMD or Microsoft or Apple is forcing you to buy or not buy this CPU.
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#10.1 Posted by RAID 0 on 07 May 2008 - 19:52
- You have to understand Intel was doing the EXACT same thing starting with (with what I remember as a kid) the 486 SX chip. The 486 DX model had the math co-processor, the SX chip was EXACTLY the same except it had the math co-processor (floating point unit) disabled or removed.
Fast forward a few yeas to the release Celeron line. It was the EXACT SAME chip, but with NO CACHE and maybe less MHz. Why? It didn't work. Intel sold the defective chips at a much reduced cost. People bought them.
Just remember this has been going on at Intel for a LONG TIME, so slamming AMD for doing this is just absurd.
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#11 Posted by ajua on 07 May 2008 - 23:02
- slamming anyone is what's really absurd!
let us all read the review and post back our thoughts on this CPU, not the defective(s) part(s) that could be removed/disabled from pricier chips.
About AMD, i think they need to rethink their architecture and come up with something core-duo-like in order to be competitive once more.
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#12 Posted by atari800 on 07 May 2008 - 23:12
- Hey, the history of CPU's is definitely edu-tainment
but the fact of the matter is "if I see a product review that talks about ANY PRODUCT by ANY COMPANY and it is defective but altered to be another (completely different or same but slower or same with less functionality) product, I will still know in the back of my mind it was flawed in it's original designed state"
If you like buying product like this - great.
If you cant afford the original design - I am sorry
If you just dig on a concept like this - pretty cool
but I really dont care what your argument is about this.
If you want to buy this product - awesome...go for it. I wont
I hope my opinion did not sway any sales
Now - no argument intended and a serious question:
Is there a site (not wikipedia) that points out what products are defective and rebranded as something else?
*Defective Hersheys Syrup is rebranded as Ex-lax - hehehe
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#13 Posted by motorolarazrrecovery on 13 May 2008 - 03:06
- yep... But there was something on the history channel the other day.. about tech.. It takes intel less than 1 dollar to make a dual core chip
Does amd even make the semphron anymore?
Im using the turion x64 tl52 and it maxxes out too easy
The latest processor series from AMD is a little unusual as it makes use of not one, two, or even four cores, but rather three! That’s right, the new Phenom X3 carries an unusual core configuration, and I guess the question most of you are probably asking yourselves (as we did) is why? The most reasonable explanation is that this still allows AMD to sell Phenom X4 processors with a defective core, minimizing their loss. Second, it gives some leverage for AMD to compete with Intel’s dual-core processors, being able to pull the "additional core" card.
The Phenom X3 family consists of three new processors: the 8450 (2.10GHz), 8650 (2.30GHz) and 8750 (2.40GHz), all of which we are testing here today.