Microsoft: Windows Vista sales "rapid" at 140m copies
Posted by Steven Parker on 09 May 2008 - 09:43 · 23 comments & 6173 views
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#1 Posted by Chicane-UK on 09 May 2008 - 09:46
- I'd love to know how many of those are retail sales (like, the shops as standalone copies) and how many are just sold with a new computer..
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#1.1 Posted by guruparan on 09 May 2008 - 09:53
- Most wont buy a Retail copy of Vista (i bought 1 for my custom-PC), but for other 2 its preinstalled (HP & Sony vaio laptops)...MS does depend more on OEM's in case for its Windows.
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#1.2 Posted by +GreyWolfSC on 09 May 2008 - 13:20
- (guruparan said @ #1.1)Most wont buy a Retail copy of Vista (i bought 1 for my custom-PC), but for other 2 its preinstalled (HP & Sony vaio laptops)...MS does depend more on OEM's in case for its Windows.
I don't know about that... All the stores here are often sold out of all versions except Home Basic so someone's buying the retail version.
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#2 Posted by leesmithg on 09 May 2008 - 10:29
- Maybe because we can have a licenced copy at the same price as the American market.
I got an O.E.M. 64 bit HP for £31.47 and a retail 32 bit upgrade HP for £64.96
The latter was 55% off.
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#3 Posted by C_Guy on 09 May 2008 - 15:09
- Wow, for a software title that people love to bash before trying, that's pretty good.
Imagine what the sales will be like for Windows 7. -
#3.1 Posted by Tha Bloo Monkee on 09 May 2008 - 17:02
- In all fairness, I would imagine that most of these sales are OEMs that preinstall them.
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#4 Posted by Gabe3 on 09 May 2008 - 17:10
- and people still think vista is a failure
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#4.1 Posted by boho on 10 May 2008 - 07:40
- (Gabe3 said @ #4)and people still think vista is a failure
Vista was removed from my new laptop. I run XP Sp3 and will not be re-installing Vista any time soon - so that's one less copy in use.
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#4.2 Posted by ANova on 10 May 2008 - 22:54
- Ramming it down people's throats through OEMs with no option doesn't make it good or prove that it's selling well.
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#5 Posted by Airlink on 09 May 2008 - 18:29
- Only reason the sales are so "rapid" is that nearly all new PCs come with Vista pre-loaded. You go try and buy one with XP on it... it's virtually impossible. You have to special-order the thing like that, and most of the time it's not even an option.
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#6 Posted by hustheman on 09 May 2008 - 23:56
- I never knew why you guys bash Vista so much. I have been using vista since it first came out and i have never had a problem with it. Also I'm running it on supposedly a subpar system i.e. laptop with no gfx card
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#6.2 Posted by Joshie on 10 May 2008 - 19:04
- (RAID 0 said @ #6.1)How do you see what you're doing?
I should think he means on-board graphics. -
#6.3 Posted by non.sequitur on 12 May 2008 - 02:00
- (Joshie said @ #6.2)(RAID 0 said @ #6.1)How do you see what you're doing?
I should think he means on-board graphics.
Well, he did say "no graphics card", not "no graphics", as in none at all.
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#7 Posted by aarste on 10 May 2008 - 11:23
- Like others have said, Vista comes on new PCs that is very much out of the customer's control of OS choice until he/she takes it home and installs XP. So the sales figures are flawed.
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#7.1 Posted by Joshie on 10 May 2008 - 19:08
- (aarste said @ #7)Like others have said, Vista comes on new PCs that is very much out of the customer's control of OS choice until he/she takes it home and installs XP. So the sales figures are flawed.
Yes. MILLIONS of customers are going home, formatting their new computers, and installing/configuring WindowsXP from scratch. Yep. That's totally realistic to think. I can definitely see that happening. Uh huh. They've got driver installation and OS set-up down to an art. That's why the tech support industry went out of business years ago. -
#7.2 Posted by ANova on 10 May 2008 - 22:56
- Most people know someone that is adept with computers, so it's really not a far stretch, at all, Joshie.
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#7.3 Posted by Joshie on 10 May 2008 - 23:16
- (ANova said @ #7.2)Most people know someone that is adept with computers, so it's really not a far stretch, at all, Joshie.
I imagine most people lose their previous system's XP CD within the first year, or only have 'recovery' CDs that won't quite work as intended on the new system. I also suspect most people won't jump at the thought of buying an extra, older version of Windows just to install it over Vista--has anyone looked at XP sales figures over the past year? If they don't match up, and XP is still somehow being installed by geek friends everywhere...
Exactly how many people are using pirated copies of Windows XP?
Another good question: why are so many people dead set on finding some way--any way--to make the sales figures appear meaningless? Even in the worst case scenario for Microsoft, I don't see it as feasible for any more than 15% of those consumers to have downgraded to XP. If you, or anyone, can somehow see that happening, it's unfortunate but the burden of proof *definitely* goes to you. Justify the numbers or live your life with an opinion that will only ever have a home in internet forums. -
#7.4 Posted by ANova on 11 May 2008 - 21:18
- (Joshie said @ #7.3)(ANova said @ #7.2)Most people know someone that is adept with computers, so it's really not a far stretch, at all, Joshie.
Another good question: why are so many people dead set on finding some way--any way--to make the sales figures appear meaningless? Even in the worst case scenario for Microsoft, I don't see it as feasible for any more than 15% of those consumers to have downgraded to XP. If you, or anyone, can somehow see that happening, it's unfortunate but the burden of proof *definitely* goes to you. Justify the numbers or live your life with an opinion that will only ever have a home in internet forums.
I'm not the one proclaiming the feasibility of downgrading to be low or set at some arbitrary number you seem to have picked at random, the burden of proof is on those who make the claims.
The sales figures are certainly meaningless because the majority of people buy computers pre-built from retailers with Vista preloaded. Microsoft sells the os whether the consumer wants it or not.
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#8 Posted by stevehoot on 11 May 2008 - 10:03
- The reeason is that its very popular to slate a monopoloy. Governments, GM, Dell, Nokia etc. It's always cool to slate something that's popular.
I've worked in IT for nearly 10 year, and I'm a Infrastructure admin at a large company in the UK (Norwich). We're rolling out Vista, and at my previous company we were early adopters and didn't look back. I haven't removed Vista from any computers yet, at home or at work. Installed it a lot but not removed it.
Yeah, MS rely on OEM a bit. But their biggest deals are volume licences with businesses. Joe Bloggs that buys a new PC with it pre-installed doesn't have a problem with Vista. It works fine normally. New PC's give it fine performance and consumers are happy with it.
Sorry guys - it's just not quite the flop the OSS fanatics want it to be. -
#8.1 Posted by non.sequitur on 12 May 2008 - 02:06
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The reeason is that its very popular to slate a monopoloy. Governments, GM, Dell, Nokia etc. It's always cool to slate something that's popular.
I've worked in IT for nearly 10 year, and I'm a Infrastructure admin at a large company in the UK (Norwich). We're rolling out Vista, and at my previous company we were early adopters and didn't look back. I haven't removed Vista from any computers yet, at home or at work. Installed it a lot but not removed it.
Yeah, MS rely on OEM a bit. But their biggest deals are volume licences with businesses. Joe Bloggs that buys a new PC with it pre-installed doesn't have a problem with Vista. It works fine normally. New PC's give it fine performance and consumers are happy with it.
Sorry guys - it's just not quite the flop the OSS fanatics want it to be.
Well, let's look at the facts for a second here:
1. Vista sucks. (yes that's a fact, not an opinion).
2. Microsoft is cramming it down consumer's throats by forcing OEMs to sell it, then they turn around and brag about how great it's selling.
3. Vista is slower than XP, SP 1 is actually slower than RTM. XP SP3 beats them all.
4. Any business that has already switched to Vista is CRAZY (unless it's a small business).
If tracked between January and April, the number represents about 10 million copies of Vista sold per month in the first third of 2008 and signals a slight increase in the sales rate for the operating system, which averaged at just over 9 million copies sold per month in 2007. However, the sales rate is half that of the Windows update's initial results in the first two months of its launch, when it sold as many as 20 million copies per month to cater to early demand.