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franzon   via microsoft.com on 06 June 2008 - 11:53 · 28 comments & 16435 views

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Some customers are considering whether to deploy Windows Vista or whether to skip in anticipation of Windows 7.
The discussion is often phrased as one of balancing costs and timing of releases. By not deploying Windows Vista, it means missing out on the proven benefts such as better security, productivity, search, mobility, manageability, and infrastructure optimization. Windows Vista works with more applications and devices than ever before and can be signifcantly less expensive to support than Windows XP SP3.

There is no need to wait for Windows 7. It is a goal of the Windows 7 release to minimize application compatibility for customers who have deployed Windows Vista since there was considerable kernel and device level innovation in Windows Vista. The Windows 7 release is expected to have only minor changes in these areas. Customers who are still using Windows XP when Windows 7 releases will have a similar application compatibility experience moving to Windows 7 as exists moving to Windows Vista from Windows XP.

Historically, mainstream deployment occurs not when Microsoft releases a product but 18 months later. While the mainstream deployment cycle is beginning for Windows Vista now, it isn’t expected to begin for Windows 7 until at least mid-2011

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(4 replies) #1 daPhoenix on 06 Jun 2008 - 11:56
"Pay up now so you can pay more when 7 comes!"
#1.1 PureLegend on 06 Jun 2008 - 11:57
Summed it up in a nutshell.
#1.2 g0wg on 06 Jun 2008 - 12:00
Isn't that what all businesses are about?
#1.3 Captain555 on 06 Jun 2008 - 14:12
Yeap. Doesn't mean we have to play their game.
#1.4 boho on 06 Jun 2008 - 21:08
Who's waiting? It's only an O/S for heavens sake!
(10 replies) #2 +omganinja on 06 Jun 2008 - 12:04
I'd like to know how they claim that people are 'deploying' Vista. Microsoft still havent fixed the sysprep bug which makes an unattended Vista deployment impossible.
#2.1 +majortom1981 on 06 Jun 2008 - 12:05
(omganinja said @ #2)
I'd like to know how they claim that people are 'deploying' Vista. Microsoft still havent fixed the sysprep bug which makes an unattended Vista deployment impossible.


May i ask what this sysprep bug is?
#2.2 +omganinja on 06 Jun 2008 - 12:44
(majortom1981 said @ #2.1)
(omganinja said @ #2)
I'd like to know how they claim that people are 'deploying' Vista. Microsoft still havent fixed the sysprep bug which makes an unattended Vista deployment impossible.


May i ask what this sysprep bug is?

You put the network location in the unattended.xml file an it just ignores it. So when you deploy, all the machines boot up and ask you to select a network location.
#2.3 GreyWolfSC on 06 Jun 2008 - 13:01
(omganinja said @ #2)
I'd like to know how they claim that people are 'deploying' Vista. Microsoft still havent fixed the sysprep bug which makes an unattended Vista deployment impossible.


You mean the glitch that's easily fixed by 5 seconds of net searching and adding the following to the xml file?

Vista Sysprep.xml fix
#2.4 +omganinja on 06 Jun 2008 - 13:08
(GreyWolfSC said @ #2.3)
(omganinja said @ #2)
I'd like to know how they claim that people are 'deploying' Vista. Microsoft still havent fixed the sysprep bug which makes an unattended Vista deployment impossible.


You mean the glitch that's easily fixed by 5 seconds of net searching and adding the following to the xml file?

Vista Sysprep.xml fix

Yay a ****ty workaround that I already knew about. If I wanted a patchwork network I'd deploy win98, 95, maybe a few linux distros here and there. I want a real fix.
#2.5 Gotenks98 on 06 Jun 2008 - 13:33
(omganinja said @ #2.2)
(majortom1981 said @ #2.1)
(omganinja said @ #2)
I'd like to know how they claim that people are 'deploying' Vista. Microsoft still havent fixed the sysprep bug which makes an unattended Vista deployment impossible.


May i ask what this sysprep bug is?

You put the network location in the unattended.xml file an it just ignores it. So when you deploy, all the machines boot up and ask you to select a network location.
This is so minor and it doesnt stop you from deploying vista at all. I have pushed this out to several machines at once, as soon as vista boots up I end up having to do some other tweaks that an answer file just wont cover, it takes all but two seconds to click WORK. This bug isnt even worth mentioning.
#2.6 +omganinja on 06 Jun 2008 - 13:39
(Gotenks98 said @ #2.5)
(omganinja said @ #2.2)
(majortom1981 said @ #2.1)
(omganinja said @ #2)
I'd like to know how they claim that people are 'deploying' Vista. Microsoft still havent fixed the sysprep bug which makes an unattended Vista deployment impossible.


May i ask what this sysprep bug is?

You put the network location in the unattended.xml file an it just ignores it. So when you deploy, all the machines boot up and ask you to select a network location.
This is so minor and it doesnt stop you from deploying vista at all. I have pushed this out to several machines at once, as soon as vista boots up I end up having to do some other tweaks that an answer file just wont cover, it takes all but two seconds to click WORK. This bug isnt even worth mentioning.


Haha you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Are you saying that clicking work on over 200 workstations is easy? Might aswell install the OS and software on each PC manually, the point of deployment is automation, sysprep doesnt deliver this and therefore is a bug worth mentioning.
#2.7 hapbt on 06 Jun 2008 - 16:16
(omganinja said @ #2.4)
(GreyWolfSC said @ #2.3)
(omganinja said @ #2)
I'd like to know how they claim that people are 'deploying' Vista. Microsoft still havent fixed the sysprep bug which makes an unattended Vista deployment impossible.


You mean the glitch that's easily fixed by 5 seconds of net searching and adding the following to the xml file?

Vista Sysprep.xml fix

Yay a ****ty workaround that I already knew about. If I wanted a patchwork network I'd deploy win98, 95, maybe a few linux distros here and there. I want a real fix.


Hah, anybody wanna bet this guy never heard of the fix until now and still dosen't have a clue what to do with the xml file?
#2.8 +omganinja on 07 Jun 2008 - 01:45
(hapbt said @ #2.7)
(omganinja said @ #2.4)
(GreyWolfSC said @ #2.3)
(omganinja said @ #2)
I'd like to know how they claim that people are 'deploying' Vista. Microsoft still havent fixed the sysprep bug which makes an unattended Vista deployment impossible.


You mean the glitch that's easily fixed by 5 seconds of net searching and adding the following to the xml file?

Vista Sysprep.xml fix

Yay a ****ty workaround that I already knew about. If I wanted a patchwork network I'd deploy win98, 95, maybe a few linux distros here and there. I want a real fix.


Hah, anybody wanna bet this guy never heard of the fix until now and still dosen't have a clue what to do with the xml file?

Anybody wanna bet...get ****ed. Cause its oh so hard to put a reg add command into the section of the xml files where you add commands. I want a real fix, not a band-aid. Others might be happy with half assed software, but when I pay for a something, I expect it to work.
#2.9 Windam on 07 Jun 2008 - 18:06
(omganinja said @ #2.
(hapbt said @ #2.7)
(omganinja said @ #2.4)
(GreyWolfSC said @ #2.3)
(omganinja said @ #2)
I'd like to know how they claim that people are 'deploying' Vista. Microsoft still havent fixed the sysprep bug which makes an unattended Vista deployment impossible.


You mean the glitch that's easily fixed by 5 seconds of net searching and adding the following to the xml file?

Vista Sysprep.xml fix

Yay a ****ty workaround that I already knew about. If I wanted a patchwork network I'd deploy win98, 95, maybe a few linux distros here and there. I want a real fix.


Hah, anybody wanna bet this guy never heard of the fix until now and still dosen't have a clue what to do with the xml file?

Anybody wanna bet...get ****ed. Cause its oh so hard to put a reg add command into the section of the xml files where you add commands. I want a real fix, not a band-aid. Others might be happy with half assed software, but when I pay for a something, I expect it to work.


Why so serious?
#2.10 Litespeed on 09 Jun 2008 - 09:54
(omganinja said @ #2.4)
(GreyWolfSC said @ #2.3)
(omganinja said @ #2)
I'd like to know how they claim that people are 'deploying' Vista. Microsoft still havent fixed the sysprep bug which makes an unattended Vista deployment impossible.


You mean the glitch that's easily fixed by 5 seconds of net searching and adding the following to the xml file?

Vista Sysprep.xml fix

Yay a ****ty workaround that I already knew about. If I wanted a patchwork network I'd deploy win98, 95, maybe a few linux distros here and there. I want a real fix.


Do you want it to make you a coffee and give you a happy ending as well?
(1 reply) #3 +ispamforfood on 06 Jun 2008 - 12:42
OMG they posted it with the same typo here! :p

"It is a goal of the Windows 7 release to minimize application compatibility for customers who have deployed Windows Vista since there was considerable kernel and device level innovation in Windows Vista.

HAHA... i DONT think that's what they're trying to do ROFL!
#3.1 lexa000 on 08 Jun 2008 - 22:35
I thought that sounded a bit stupid when I read it, MS trying to reduce the number of applications that we can run...?
(1 reply) #4 Jugalator on 06 Jun 2008 - 12:51
Well duh, of course they want you to do that. :-p

It's a freaking Word document on Microsoft.com. In other news, read how Linux may realize your dreams entirely for free at Ubuntu.com. :-p

They forget that Vista costs money and Windows 7 may be out late next year already. And that XP still works, and works well, for a lot of people.

The result of that formula is not to uninstall XP, purchase Vista, install it, and reconfigure your reinstalled apps.
#4.1 ricknl on 06 Jun 2008 - 13:40
I don't think it is that simple. A lot of Enterprices pay for Vista, even when they don't use it. It is a matter of upgrading or not.
(2 replies) #5 C_Guy on 06 Jun 2008 - 14:47
Right. And if Apple put out a document that said "Don't wait for 10.6, get Leopard RIGHT NOW" people would not only praise it, they would rush to apple.com with their credit cards ready.

Double-standards are soooo awesome.

Microsoft is obviously trying to sell more software (what a shocking motivation behind a profit-driven corporation! But unlike Apple who takes the "I'm a Mac, let me insult your intelligence, PC User!" they at least take a mature approach to it.

"The discussion is often phrased as one of balancing costs and timing of releases. By not deploying Windows Vista, it means missing out on the proven benefts such as better security, productivity, search, mobility, manageability, and infrastructure optimization. Windows Vista works with more applications and devices than ever before and can be significantly less expensive to support than Windows XP SP3."

All true points and a good discussion. Does this automatically mean you should jump Vista? No. Microsoft is making many resources available to individuals and businesses to help them understand the improvements between Vista and XP so they can make a well-informed decision about upgrading. When they say "there is no need to wait for Windows 7" they are simply trying to defeat the mis-informed consumer mindset that Vista should be skipped in favor of Windows 7.

All this article really says is that you can have many of the benefits of Windows 7 now in Windows Vista and should consider the improvements over Windows XP to make a well-informed upgrade decision.

Personally, I am not upgrading to Vista. But I didn't jump on the "anti-Vista" bandwagon, I made an informed decision. That's all Microsoft is really asking for.
#5.1 ajua on 06 Jun 2008 - 15:16
Great! It is good to know that many people still make sensitive posts...

Personally, i think that people/businesses that are thinking about upgrade should not ponder waiting to Windows 7, because we will be at square 1 when it comes out. Some people will face some issues, compatibilities here and there (hopefully less than when Vista came out) and overall, they will wait a little longer because of that.

The waiting time will be extended by this and by that time, they should be using Vista because XP won't have more updates or fixes coming.

I recommend Vista to average users and businesses, but in the end, it is personal preference.

If i had XP and where thinking on upgrading OS, will do it this year and not wait for Windows 7.

Microsoft is just telling you the very same thing.
#5.2 doncoyote.cl on 06 Jun 2008 - 16:27
(C_Guy said @ #5)
Right. And if Apple put out a document that said "Don't wait for 10.6, get Leopard RIGHT NOW" people would not only praise it, they would rush to apple.com with their credit cards ready.

Double-standards are soooo awesome.

Microsoft is obviously trying to sell more software (what a shocking motivation behind a profit-driven corporation!) But unlike Apple who takes the "I'm a Mac, let me insult your intelligence, PC User!" they at least take a mature approach to it.

"The discussion is often phrased as one of balancing costs and timing of releases. By not deploying Windows Vista, it means missing out on the proven benefts such as better security, productivity, search, mobility, manageability, and infrastructure optimization. Windows Vista works with more applications and devices than ever before and can be significantly less expensive to support than Windows XP SP3."

All true points and a good discussion. Does this automatically mean you should jump Vista? No. Microsoft is making many resources available to individuals and businesses to help them understand the improvements between Vista and XP so they can make a well-informed decision about upgrading. When they say "there is no need to wait for Windows 7" they are simply trying to defeat the mis-informed consumer mindset that Vista should be skipped in favor of Windows 7.

All this article really says is that you can have many of the benefits of Windows 7 now in Windows Vista and should consider the improvements over Windows XP to make a well-informed upgrade decision.

Personally, I am not upgrading to Vista. But I didn't jump on the "anti-Vista" bandwagon, I made an informed decision. That's all Microsoft is really asking for.


Totally agreed
#6 Airlink on 06 Jun 2008 - 17:44
The article is written in VRML (Very Ridiculous Marketing Language)
Allow me to translate.

"Windows Vista works with more applications and devices than ever before and can be signifcantly less expensive to support than Windows XP SP3."
That translates as:
"Vista works with more applications and devices than it did at RTM and can be (as in, might or might not be) less expensive to support then Windows XP SP3."

"There is no need to wait for Windows 7. It is a goal of the Windows 7 release to minimize application compatibility for customers who have deployed Windows Vista since there was considerable kernel and device level innovation in Windows Vista. The Windows 7 release is expected to have only minor changes in these areas. Customers who are still using Windows XP when Windows 7 releases will have a similar application compatibility experience moving to Windows 7 as exists moving to Windows Vista from Windows XP."
That translates as:
"Microsoft would like to scare you into buying Vista now, by falsely suggesting that it will be harder to upgrade from XP to Windows 7 than from Vista to Windows 7."

"Historically, mainstream deployment occurs not when Microsoft releases a product but 18 months later. While the mainstream deployment cycle is beginning for Windows Vista now, it isn’t expected to begin for Windows 7 until at least mid-2011."
Translates as: "Wait until 2011 before you upgrade from Windows XP."
#7 n_K on 06 Jun 2008 - 22:30
WHAT THE F...!
God sake neowin is an advertising platform now, it's so pathetic. Next you will see lameFone 3ghey adverts all over the site, abismul
(1 reply) #8 toadeater on 07 Jun 2008 - 22:51
Don't drink the Cool Aid.

#8.1 MajinDark on 08 Jun 2008 - 03:28
Wow, aren't you clever.
#9 kevpan815 on 10 Jun 2008 - 02:44
Windows Vista Service Pack One Runs Completely Horrible On My 3 Computers That Are Capible Of Running It (It Runs Very Slow, It Takes A Whole Lot Of Time 2 Boot Up And Shut Down, And It Makes A Whole Lot Of Hard Disk Drive Clatter Even When I Am Away From My Computer), As A Result, I Have Completely Stopped Using It, And I Am Now Using Both Microsoft Windows Server 2008, And Open Source Linux Ubuntu 8.04 Long Term Support Desktop Edition As A Duel Boot Scenerio, Just FYI. In My Opinion, Microsoft Needs 2 Recall All Sold Copies Of Windows Vista, And Give Everyone Who Bought This Defective Operating System A Full Refund, Also Just FYI.

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