In a letter to some of Dells customers, they said that "XP Professional is available for OEM installation on your Dell PC purchases through at least 2009 and likely longer." The "official" OEM and retail end date from Microsoft is June 30, 2008, just a few weeks away. There has been much talk of whether Microsoft would bow to the demand of the consumers to keep XP alive, and with this it is still hard to tell if Dell bought a years stock of licenses ahead of time, or if this is the precursor to an announcement from Microsoft.Dell's plan for users is to have Windows XP Professional installed on their machines, but include the Vista install disk for when they are ready to upgrade. "With XP installed, we will send media for both Vista and XP with each PC so that when you are ready to migrate to Vista you may at no addition upgrade cost." The demand seems high, so let's hope others follow suit to allow companies the time and resources to fully upgrade.
The email reads as follows:
Good Morning,
I hope you had a good weekend. The purpose of this email is two-fold.
1. Because you are in our Relationship division, XP Professional is available for OEM installation on your Dell PC purchases through at least 2009 and likely longer. I will keep you updated on its availability over the coming months/years as I receive information. The PCs that XP is available on at no additional charge are our Relationship lines: Latitudes, Precisions and Optiplexes. On Vostro units, there is a small charge that will vary but I will communicate that with each quote. With XP installed, we will send media for both Vista and XP with each PC so that when you are ready to migrate to Vista you may at no addition upgrade cost. Of course, XP will continue to be available if you are using Vista Business Open Licensing agreements’ downgrade rights also.
2. My team and I’s phone numbers have changed as we transition to VOIP. Please note the information below.
If you have any questions/concerns about the XP/Vista issue or anything else please let me know.
Thank you again for your business and I look forward to speaking with you
Matt
EDIT:
Really? From the Merriam-Webster website:
ir·re·gard·less Listen to the pronunciation of irregardless
Pronunciation:
\ˌir-i-ˈgärd-ləs\
Function:
adverb
Etymology:
probably blend of irrespective and regardless
Date:
circa 1912
nonstandard : regardless
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
Really? From the Merriam-Webster website:
ir·re·gard·less Listen to the pronunciation of irregardless
Pronunciation:
\ˌir-i-ˈgärd-ləs\
Function:
adverb
Etymology:
probably blend of irrespective and regardless
Date:
circa 1912
nonstandard : regardless
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
so basically regardless = irregardless so it is a nonsense word that doesn't add anything to the language but people still use it. Kind of like "electric" and "electrical." Anywhere you use the word "electrical" you can simply write "electric" without changing the meaning.
They start things off by replacing "s" with "$" in an ill-considered post, and before you know it you've got some petty grammar nazis quibbling over whether "irregardless" is a real word or not.
Meanwhile, the news that Dell is selling XP despite Windows wanting everyone to only sell Vista seems to have been buried under a pile of trolling.
:hands Mark a shovel:
By including a licensed version of vi$ta the person who buys it is still supporting vi$ta even if they don't want it.
You do know vi$ta costs money, right? and far more than it's worth.
oh and btw "irregardless" is a word found in the dictionary.
Irregardless is an erroneous and incorrect slang word with a double negative, which effectively renders it's meaning useless, the dictionary acknowledges this. Most people who use it are not aware of that fact or do so for emphasis in a sarcastic manner.
Really? From the Merriam-Webster website:
ir�re�gard�less Listen to the pronunciation of irregardless
Pronunciation:
ˌir-i-ˈg�-ləs
Function:
adverb
Etymology:
probably blend of irrespective and regardless
Date:
circa 1912
nonstandard : regardless
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that �there is no such word.� There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
so basically regardless = irregardless so it is a nonsense word that doesn't add anything to the language but people still use it. Kind of like "electric" and "electrical." Anywhere you use the word "electrical" you can simply write "electric" without changing the meaning.
Not in phrases such as 'electrical engineer'. Electric engineer would, to my mind, have a different meaning, conjuring up an image of an engineer who is 'electric', rather than one knowledgeable in electrical engineering..
Just because the word is used by people who don't know any better doesn't mean it's correct.
An illogical word is created. Since the prefix ir- means 'not' (as it does with irrespective), and the suffix -less means 'without,' irregardless is a double negative. It is also acknowledged as such by most modern dictionaries.
Unfortunately, it abounds in business-speak, which means that it will only spread like that virus that it is.
By including a licensed version of vi$ta the person who buys it is still supporting vi$ta even if they don't want it.
You do know vi$ta costs money, right? and far more than it's worth.
oh and btw "irregardless" is a word found in the dictionary.
Go to dell website. Choose USA > Small & Medium Business > Latitude D630 > "Dell Deal"
Vista Business+XP Pro Loaded = $99
or try here
Desktop XP Preloaded+Vista upgrade =Free
Yeah Vista costs money make. To develop Vista costs money, research costs money, testing costs money, QA costs money. If you want to lower the costs you can always outsource every piece of development stage to China, India, Taiwan, Korea, etc.
IMO, most of you people bitch too much about softwares that have been developed by professionals who get paid 60k to 100k a year. If you feel you're better than those people why don't you do something and get noticed by MS?
On the other hand, why not bring Apple into the field? OSX Hardware is Oh **** eXpensive
Not trying to start a flame here, just stating the facts.
I let vi$ta pass, but had to stop reading one 'word' later....
I was going to say that myself. I think vi$ta is made by that elusive company, M$. (A$ if anything el$e in the computer indu$try i$n't expen$ive.) My gue$$ i$ the po$ter i$ ju$t flaming.
When is giving the customer choices not in everybody's best interest? Microsoft loses nothing and on top of that they know nothing of my requirements. Sticking with a fully functional OS instead of going to the latest that adds little more than bells and whistles is my idea of sound business and common sense.
Vista may be justified if you are running something older than XP or putting down all new machines. Beyond that the business case is just not there.
As for irregardless, the dictionary is trying to be polite in saying that only a pompous ass would use it instead of regardless.
By including a licensed version of vi$ta the person who buys it is still supporting vi$ta even if they don't want it.
You do know vi$ta costs money, right? and far more than it's worth.
oh and btw "irregardless" is a word found in the dictionary.
This is, of course, entirely your opinion. There are TONS of people out there, (including myself,) that feel like they got a whole new computer for $200 with Vista. If you're not happy with it that's your problem. Just can it and use something else.
Really? From the Merriam-Webster website:
ir·re·gard·less Listen to the pronunciation of irregardless
Pronunciation:
\ˌir-i-ˈgärd-ləs\
Function:
adverb
Etymology:
probably blend of irrespective and regardless
Date:
circa 1912
nonstandard : regardless
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
so basically regardless = irregardless so it is a nonsense word that doesn't add anything to the language but people still use it. Kind of like "electric" and "electrical." Anywhere you use the word "electrical" you can simply write "electric" without changing the meaning.
Uh-uh... Electric means something uses or produces electricity, electrical means it's electricity-related
http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=electrical
This is something I learned the other day, applies quite well to the situation: Ad hominem
oh, and vi$ta!!11
Since when to guests post?
If my customers have one of those POS boxes, then fine, I'll support it, buy you won't catch me dead with anything else than something I built myself.
That said, most of my customers are not nearly as discerning as I am. Even so, I've had a steady stream of clients asking me to either get rid of Vista and replace it with XP, or asking me how they can get a new PC that doesn't have Vista on it. And of course, I've happy to oblige them because the rules of business are:
1) The customer is never wrong.
2) If the customer is wrong, see rule number one.
It's very simple: You want XP? I get you XP. Now you pay me. Everyone's happy. Now why can't Microsoft do that?
So, I say this to Microsoft: Stop pointing that Vista licence at everyone, slowly put it on the floor, back slowly away and nobody gets hurt.
If my customers have one of those POS boxes, then fine, I'll support it, buy you won't catch me dead with anything else than something I built myself.
That said, most of my customers are not nearly as discerning as I am. Even so, I've had a steady stream of clients asking me to either get rid of Vista and replace it with XP, or asking me how they can get a new PC that doesn't have Vista on it. And of course, I've happy to oblige them because the rules of business are:
1) The customer is never wrong.
2) If the customer is wrong, see rule number one.
It's very simple: You want XP? I get you XP. Now you pay me. Everyone's happy. Now why can't Microsoft do that?
So, I say this to Microsoft: Stop pointing that Vista licence at everyone, slowly put it on the floor, back slowly away and nobody gets hurt.
Fine. Go buy an Amiga, then go buy a copy of System 7 from Apple, and while you're at it, pick up a ColecoVision. You really think companies should continue to sell their entire product line even after it's defunct?
Way to read.
I buy my laptop mostly from Acer and they always have Vista and XP reinstall disk coming with them. The one with XP only are getting rare.
OTOH I have a dozen customers that walk into my store every month and pay me to upgrade their vista box to XP. I'm getting to be an expert at this.
Because its more profitable to sell Vista than keep selling XP, Microsoft are a very successful company and I think they know what their doing.
Yeap, they know what they are doing, they are very good at making money. Having a quasi-monopoly does indeed help.
True; in many cases, the customer gets BOTH; they get Windows XP and Windows Vista; and allow the customer to migrate to Windows Vista when they wish to.
There is, however, alot of lies being spread by Microsoft detractors; yes, things have changed, some compatibility is broken - but all this is for a BETTER FUTURE. Stop holding onto the past and get with the programme I say. I find it interesting that these companies who whine about upgrades always seem to have enough money for private jets and other creature comforts but never enough to spend where the money is measurable in terms of outcomes.
'The programme' is defined by each customer based upon their requirements, not Microsoft or its shills. XP will be replaced when it's no longer cost effective to use. Stockholders would expect nothing less.
'The programme' is defined by each customer based upon their requirements, not Microsoft or its shills. XP will be replaced when it's no longer cost effective to use. Stockholders would expect nothing less.
BRAVO
Dell can keep more people ignorant and retard software adoption rates. Who needs new tech when we can live in the past with old tech?
Kudos to them for wanting to include an outdated, 7 year operating system on computers.
Where in the sky does it say that you shouldn't run a 7 years old operating system on a PC.
XP is not the OS that it was when it was release. It has mature and is now at a point where we can do something else with it, than fix it all the time. Which is what we have to do presently with vista.
@ Captain555, I haven't needed to 'fix' my pc with vista yet and I have it since the start of the year.
That's exactly the case with one of my relatives (who didn't seek my advice before making his purchase decision). Dell reps insist there's no way he can do it without buying an XP license at full price, while other sources tell him you can do it, but only if you're running either Vista Business or Ultimate.
And now this.
Dell, Microsoft--which is it? It's pretty simple, there are some people out there who buy a Vista machine and then want to go back to XP. Why not make it simple and, y'know, give the customer what he wants without charging the full price of two licenses?
That is where I don't get Microsoft. Cases like that just encourage people to pirate software. They are creating their own problems
Way to miss the point.
For example, take a look at the horrifying problems between nVidia's 8700M GT cards and Dell's XPS m1730 gaming laptops with XP. nVidia doesn't even offer drivers for XP on their website, which leads me to believe that there is some backroom development of drivers between Dell and nVidia. There are tons of problems with those drivers.
For example, take a look at the horrifying problems between nVidia's 8700M GT cards and Dell's XPS m1730 gaming laptops with XP. nVidia doesn't even offer drivers for XP on their website, which leads me to believe that there is some backroom development of drivers between Dell and nVidia. There are tons of problems with those drivers.
Not sure, but doesn't this has something to do with DirectX 10 ?
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