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...as he broke out the champagne and cashed the fat bonus check with Steve's signature on it.

Which of course could also imply that there was no wrongdoing to begin with. Evidence for something that never happened is often pretty scarce.

What about the bible?















....I kid, I kid!

Oh, you mean the thing the Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote as a hoax?

Of course, that's definitely a possibility that there was no wrongdoing. However, the woman making the claim wasn't found to have lied and Apple weren't found innocent. We can't know for sure but it definitely strikes me as dodgy, not least because Jobs is also on the board of directors at Disney where the same thing happened.

LOL!
VERY VERY GOOD ONE!

And about the guy who talked about the monster... studiyng about Eusebius of Caesarea, Gregorius Magnum, and even non-christian sources about Constantinus will answer about the name of the hoax-creators (and updaters, we must not forget the many updates, lol)

Actually, HUNDREDS of companies were backdating stock options throughout the early part of this decade. It was corporate graft pure and simple and was not pursued aggressively by the SEC as it conflicted with the Bushco administration's (who calls the shots for all of their politically appointed agency heads now) pro business agenda.

After all, the only people getting hurt were the millions of little investors who weren't in on the scams...nothing for this administration to worry about.

I don't know much on the issue, but as far as I'm aware Backdating is purely legal and the issue was how Apple went about it not that they did it. I thought the issue was they (supposedly) didn't do it via the right channels.

Backdating has NEVER been legal. It's FRAUD. Always has been. After all, what contract or legal document have you ever seen where it was legal to change the signing date to an earlier date to (mis)represent that events that actually happened today are now claimed to have happened months ago? Ahem.

The SEC investigates and regulates it since it is a securities violation.

Remember when the SEC was feared because it was impartial and incorruptible and free of political influence peddling?

I do.

Why??

Apple is just like any other company, who must obey the law

I don't think the SEC cares what people think about them, tbh. And most people don't care enough about Apple to hate them for it.

Holy crap, "Portauthourity": That's blind faith in Apple if I ever saw it. Worship iSteve much?
I mean, sure: Apple's a big corporation and they can get away with a lot of crap, but ever since the ENRON fiasco, the SEC don't dick around anymore. If they had anything on Apple, they'd go forward with it, plain and simple.

Airlink, not under this administration.

You forget that this administration replaced everyone at the head (top three levels) of every government agency with politically appointed stooges back in 2000. Normally, a new administration just replaces the (figure)head of each agency as an administration political liason.

But, thanks to Bushco, every single agency works entirely politically now. That is why FEMA can't help with disasters, the FDA can't track bad tomatoes, etc. etc. All of our government agencies are now filled with political hacks placed there to pursue whatever political agenda the White House decides it wants to.

So, in the past, you'd be 100% correct. But today, the truth is that Apple committed huge SEC crimes by egregious and widespread backdated of options but they've bought their way out of being held accountable thanks to Bushco.

So, let me get this straight..... you're blaming BUSH, or siting him as the reason Apple was let off the hook? That's a new one. Really bro, you need to seek some professional help.

Actually, you should read (and think) more before you try to challenge my CITING of the facts...

Please research how the SEC has handled all of the stock swindles, etc. of the past 7 1/2 years. Why the attorneys were fired from the DoJ when they refused to act on orders to investigate only Democratic candidates instead of all cases where actual evidence of wrongdoing existed, why the White House was filled with 150 unqualified "lawyers" who graduated from the lowest rated law school in the nation (aka Praise Jesus University) etc. etc.

I'm showing you how all of the agency malfeasance and incompetence of the past 7 1/2 years is directly connected to the fact that there is no longer anyone qualified in charge of ANY currently standing government agency. Anyone who knew how to do their job for the past 20-30 years was SACKED and replaced with unqualified political hacks and friends of the President...like good old Brownie.

So, yes, I'm saying that, like Enron, or the fact that prosecution of Microsoft varies based on who is in the White House, etc. etc. - all of this is directly tied to the pro business agenda of the current White House. And is being executed by their unprecedented levels of replacement appointees.

If you don't think this administration didn't "decide internally" whether or not to pursue Apple's stock swindle, then I'm betting you also believe that those ridiculous recent Supreme Court decisions were arrived at by completely impartial jurists doing their best to uphold the letter and spirit of the Constitution.

Your obvious naiveté in how the world REALLY works is the issue here..."bro."

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I think that's what we, in the industry, call OWNED.

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Being high only indicates should you have refrained from engaging in a serious discussion in the first place. It does not shield you from being ignorant of the rules of grammar or the way the world works. That is your responsibility as a citizen.

I only used the word "your" once in my response to you and I used it correctly. Are you *still* posting high?

And, to make this crystal clear for you, I was talking about the ADMINISTRATION not just Bush. Bush is an incompetent puppet. Dan Quayle redux. If you don't know by now that it is CHENEY (and those behind him) who owns this government lock stock and barrel, you might want to quit this debate ASAP. Cheney was the price Bush had to pay for the presidency.

Apple is one of the only remaining successful American-soil corporations. Like Microsoft, it is in the best interests of an administration that prizes corporate profits and tax breaks over the interests of private citizens to see that nothing happens that might cause these companies to consider moving their operations offshore...as so many of Bushco's friends have done already. Just Google the names KBR, Halliburton, etc. if you want to learn more.



Actually while it is only my educated opinion that this administration helped let Apple off the hook here (by not pushing prosecution at the least), everything else I mentioned as evidence of a pattern of wrongdoing and corruption by this administration is FACT. You can Google any/all of it and you'll learn a great deal about the way the world really works and why every dollar in your pocket is now worth HALF of what it did before Bushco bought the presidency.

And while you are at it, if you research the names Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Bush (sr. and jr.), you'll see a pattern of corruption at YOUR expense since before the Nixon administration. For example, these same men created Saddam Hussein in response to the loss of their proxy leader in Iran, the Shah, and then had to take him down when he went "off the reservation" by invading Kuwait. They did the same thing with Noriega, for example, but on a much smaller scale. The weapons that we sold Saddam were the ones he used to gas the Kurds (we thought he was only going to use them on Iranians, tsk tsk). But Saddam threatened Saudi Arabia (the Bush family's Middle Eastern branch), so they had to punish him. And then, when Bushco came to power...all that oil was going to waste and Cheney's former company makes its money rebuilding war-torn countries...hmmm...what shall we ever do?

So, in short, read something. It's good for you. At a minimum, it will help your grammar, high and not, and vastly improve your seemingly quite limited vocabulary.

Last edited by excalpius on 13 Jul 2008 - 00:51