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OpenMoko comparing unfavourably to the iPhone

Darran   on 21 July 2008 - 11:16 · 40 comments & 15518 views

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You may remember the Open Source community touting the 'OpenMoko' neo1973 handset as their answer to the proprietary Apple iPhone throughout last year. Well almost a year has passed and there has been quite some movement on the device, but unfortunately it is neither looking like an equivalent to the iPhone, nor an iPhone killer - as the following videos show.

Hopefully the competition heats up soon, but at the moment it still looks like iPhone is the phone to beat. Even with its own bugs.

Video: OpenMoko Train Wreck by Dave Fayram (Vimeo)
Video: More OpenMoko Train Wrecking by Dave Fayram (Vimeo)

Source: 9to5mac.com

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#1 spike232 on 21 Jul 2008 - 11:58
wow that makes windows mobile look speedy and responsive.

Thats not even a wet paper bag killer never mind an iphone killer.
#2 LaXu on 21 Jul 2008 - 12:13
The whole OpenMoko Freerunner phone seems like a doomed effort from the start. The whole design is just terrible. It's big and ugly, it's got poor button placement, the touchscreen seems to work like **** and the UI looks hideous and apparently is also pretty unusable. You'd think that at some point someone would've pointed out "hey folks, this thing sucks, let's start over".

While the iPhone has it's own set of quirks and iTunes still sucks a big pile of donkey poo, iPhone is still the best phone I've had my paws on so far and the competition will have to work hard to match Apple in the UI design stakes.
(1 reply) #3 ]SK[ on 21 Jul 2008 - 13:20
We just got a trial HTC Touch Diamond in the office. The idea was 4 of us have it for 1 week each. I had it for 1 hour before passing it on. The interface is very slow and seems unresponsive. All phones are wanting to be iPhones now. Sadly thats all they are, wannabes. The previous iPhone looked nice but was lacking alot of features. Exchange push mail is the highlight for me in the 3G release. Depending if I can convince my boss to move from Vodafone to O2 its either going to be the iPhone or a Nokia N96. O2 also seem to have a much better offer in terms of value for money.
#3.1 mocax on 21 Jul 2008 - 13:36
It appears that the diamond was made "intentionally" slow.
Many sites/forums recommended some registry tweaks to make it feel "normal"

Hated 2-handed action on the iPhone, I prefer having my other hand free for... something more important...

I'll stick with my linux phone for a while. Hello Moto
(6 replies) #4 vetmarkjensen on 21 Jul 2008 - 13:39
Openmoko seems to be more of a prototype to show that something can be done, but from the tone of the news, I am not sure that the interface is polished, or maybe it is the hardware is too low-end?

To quote a blog entry from earlier this year:
Although its conclusion is disappointing, it gives deep insight into the mobile phone software stack. Check it out here. The conclusion is, Neo1973's processor architecture (ARMv4) is slightly older than what android project binaries are compiled against (ARMv5). That's why one cannot use OpenMoko's Neo1973 as an actual phone that runs Android - at least not in the current state (as most of you know there is no actual phone that yet runs Google's Android platform, it will come sometime in later part of 2008 ).
it seems that Android's higher system requirements may ensure that the phone hardware is more 'up to snuff' and responsive. I only hope that this time for the long-ish gestation means that better polish and attention to the user interface is being done.
#4.1 Darran on 21 Jul 2008 - 13:44
I'm sure Android will be a much more capable competitor to Windows Mobile, Blackberry etc. if not the iPhone.

I thought the news was important to post, simply because of all those fanboys last year who said OpenMoko was the next big thing, it simply isn't and wont be.
#4.2 Sker on 21 Jul 2008 - 14:12
(Darran said @ #4.1)
I thought the news was important to post, simply because of all those fanboys last year who said OpenMoko was the next big thing, it simply isn't and wont be.


How can you make such a judgment when you only have the non-finished product to base it on!?

Nowhere in your post do you mention the fact that this is a work in progress.

You're basically saying "Yes people, this is it, this is the phone they want you to use, with this software, isn't it pathetic?"

Maybe you could also create a review of Ubuntu 8.10 running Alpha 3, claiming it to be the finished product.

In your comment you're even claiming Android is going to be much better then anything else: based on what?

I can't understand how something SO biased, something so subjective, made it on to the front page of Neowin.
This is just a textbook definition of trolling.
#4.3 vetmarkjensen on 21 Jul 2008 - 14:26
(Sker said @ #4.2)
<snip rant>
In your comment you're even claiming Android is going to be much better then anything else: based on what?
<snip more rant>
Whoa! Switch to decaf coffee!

Darran never said Andoroid would be "much better then anything else". He just said it would likely be better than Openmoko. No need to jump all over anyone with an opinion that differs from your own.
#4.4 Darran on 21 Jul 2008 - 14:43
Look, we only see what is presented to us, if someone had showed a video of the iPhone in a prebuilt stage we would probably have exactly the same reaction of 'boy this sucks' the fact of the matter is that this was supposed to be the big iPhone competitor, and the iPhone is already into its second iteration. The iPhone is a work in progress, so is the OpenMoko... who's winning?
#4.5 Magallanes on 21 Jul 2008 - 17:07
(Sker said @ #4.2)
I can't understand how something SO biased, something so subjective, made it on to the front page of Neowin.g.


Article :"OpenMoko compares unfavorably to the iPhone"
Source :9 to 5 Mac, Apple Intelligent.

Conclusion, this article is not biased at all.

#4.6 Darran on 21 Jul 2008 - 21:33
(Magallanes said @ #4.5)
(Sker said @ #4.2)
I can't understand how something SO biased, something so subjective, made it on to the front page of Neowin.g.


Article :"OpenMoko compares unfavorably to the iPhone"
Source :9 to 5 Mac, Apple Intelligent.

Conclusion, this article is not biased at all.


That site simply pointed to the video, I wrote the neowin report from scratch based on the video. My comment may have expressed my opinion but my REPORT did not.
#5 +kraized on 21 Jul 2008 - 13:42
Man that thing is just one big pile of cack.
(2 replies) #6 Xilo on 21 Jul 2008 - 14:04
OMG BUT IT'S OPEN SOURCE! IT SHOULD BE THE SAVIOR OF SMART PHONES!
#6.1 acnpt on 21 Jul 2008 - 16:35
IT'S OPEN SOURCE, SHOULDN'T IT BE RUNNING ON MY TOASTER TOO!!!
#6.2 vetmarkjensen on 21 Jul 2008 - 17:20
Funny, on my "open source" PC, I don't have that annoying issue with my Caps Lock key that you seem to have.
(8 replies) #7 1759 on 21 Jul 2008 - 14:13
Well, according to some users at AppleInsider, the 2.0 update for the iPhone/Touch isn't the fastest thing either. Many mentions of overall slowness, apps crashing, and Safari crashing more often then it did before. You'd think testing would've caught those issues, before lauch, but a pay-for beta test is always good to have too.

And the iPhone has like a 1 GHz mobile processor, does it not? Most mobile phones are in the 200-400 MHz range IIRC. My Nokia e62 is slow, but part of that is AT&T's fault for preventlng the phone from being updated, and the fact that's it' only 235 MHz. But's it's never crashed though, and it can C&P. Takes great phone calls too.

And I think the OpenMoko is ugly as sin as well.
#7.1 nmesisca on 21 Jul 2008 - 14:27
ROFL

sure sure.. make that 2GHz mate..
#7.2 Darran on 21 Jul 2008 - 14:46
As I said, the iPhone also has its bugs.
#7.3 vetbangbang023 on 21 Jul 2008 - 16:53
The iPhone has a 620MHz ARM processor
#7.4 tiagosilva29 on 21 Jul 2008 - 16:57
(bangbang023 said @ #7.3)
The iPhone has a 620MHz ARM processor

It's less than that. They underclocked it.
#7.5 Magallanes on 21 Jul 2008 - 17:17
(tiagosilva29 said @ #7.4)
(bangbang023 said @ #7.3)
The iPhone has a 620MHz ARM processor

It's less than that. They underclocked it.


Of course like every cellphone to keep the batery running at least for a whole day, but for intensive task iphone utilize all the power, after all the iphone's chip is the fastest of the cellphone mobile in the market (S3C6400 666mhz) followed by the omap2420 (Nokia N serie) with 330mhz.


#7.6 CentralDogma on 21 Jul 2008 - 19:38
(Magallanes said @ #7.5)
(tiagosilva29 said @ #7.4)
(bangbang023 said @ #7.3)
The iPhone has a 620MHz ARM processor

It's less than that. They underclocked it.


Of course like every cellphone to keep the batery running at least for a whole day, but for intensive task iphone utilize all the power, after all the iphone's chip is the fastest of the cellphone mobile in the market (S3C6400 666mhz) followed by the omap2420 (Nokia N serie) with 330mhz.
Actually, the Samsung Omnia has a Marvell 624MHz CPU. So, its technically faster, but by only 4MHz.
#7.7 Drimacus on 21 Jul 2008 - 21:24
Actually, most N-series phones run at 369 mhz....and so does my beloved 6120c
#7.8 LaXu on 21 Jul 2008 - 21:52
(1759 said @ #1)
Well, according to some users at AppleInsider, the 2.0 update for the iPhone/Touch isn't the fastest thing either. Many mentions of overall slowness, apps crashing, and Safari crashing more often then it did before. You'd think testing would've caught those issues, before lauch, but a pay-for beta test is always good to have too.


Personally I've yet to experience anything but a temporary few second slowdown (no data shown on screen, just the background of the app) sometimes when opening a program. Also one 3rd party app (LocalPicks, an app that shows restaurants nearby based on GPS location) is noticeably slow but I blame it on crap programming. Haven't had Safari or anything else crash yet.
#8 Xero on 21 Jul 2008 - 14:29
That is one badass keyboard lol
#9 Philip Hristov on 21 Jul 2008 - 14:37
Ha-ha @ open source stuff!
(5 replies) #10 HalcyonX12 on 21 Jul 2008 - 14:57
Holy crap, there's some things wrong with that phone!
#10.1 z0phi3l on 21 Jul 2008 - 16:07
(HalcyonX12 said @ #10)
Holy crap, there's some things wrong with that phone!



Yea like it's a proof of concept phone and not a retail product, that it's still in testing phase, that unlike mentioned the OpenMoko was never intended to be an iPhone killer or replacement
#10.2 HalcyonX12 on 21 Jul 2008 - 16:10
Ah ok. Still, too bad about the screen size. It's nice and bright though.
#10.3 Xilo on 21 Jul 2008 - 18:34
(z0phi3l said @ #10.1)
(HalcyonX12 said @ #10)
Holy crap, there's some things wrong with that phone!



Yea like it's a proof of concept phone and not a retail product, that it's still in testing phase, that unlike mentioned the OpenMoko was never intended to be an iPhone killer or replacement

It was meant as the ugly red-headed stepchild of an iPhone killer made by monkeys in a factory located in Indonesia.
#10.4 Darran on 21 Jul 2008 - 23:05
(z0phi3l said @ #10.1)
(HalcyonX12 said @ #10)
Holy crap, there's some things wrong with that phone!



Yea like it's a proof of concept phone and not a retail product, that it's still in testing phase, that unlike mentioned the OpenMoko was never intended to be an iPhone killer or replacement


That as may be, but why did we endure so much ink spilt by fanboys that it would be?
#10.5 z0phi3l on 21 Jul 2008 - 23:19
(Darran said @ #10.4)
(z0phi3l said @ #10.1)
(HalcyonX12 said @ #10)
Holy crap, there's some things wrong with that phone!



Yea like it's a proof of concept phone and not a retail product, that it's still in testing phase, that unlike mentioned the OpenMoko was never intended to be an iPhone killer or replacement


That as may be, but why did we endure so much ink spilt by fanboys that it would be?




Fanboys being fanboys are generally speaking fing stupid is why
#11 Titoist on 21 Jul 2008 - 17:02
FUGLY POS
#12 JuanManuel on 21 Jul 2008 - 21:27
This Phone is extremely expensive take a look at http://www.openmoko.com website.
#13 Digix on 21 Jul 2008 - 21:47
even open source can't save or fix poor design and aesthetics. sorry openmoko you have a good idea on software side of thing but your hardware and design fails. Sad to admit but even on a personal level and business level the iphone has users fairly covered with all that's needed plus incentives from a phone. Solid hardware, looks good, does what it needs to and easy to understand and is simple but neat and clean, software apps, developer tools + others it's hard to beat but would be better to have SDK able to develop apps on windows is only real improvement they could make and fix up the minor bugs in 2.0.
#14 TonyLock on 22 Jul 2008 - 07:54
How not to make an iPhone killer!
(1 reply) #15 TonyLock on 22 Jul 2008 - 08:06
#15.1 Darran on 22 Jul 2008 - 08:46
I got all the reasons, and then there was the punch line!
(1 reply) #16 Sawyer12 on 22 Jul 2008 - 09:22
I have to say something here. First of all I LOVE the OpenMoko Freerunner. I have been following the development for a good while now and have been eagarly awaiting the No 2 Hardware revision of the phone. It finally arrived last week and I havent been able to put it down since. Let me point out a few things:

The FreeRunner is a true hackers phone. You can do what you like with it . . . Can you do that with the Iphone?

Granted out of the box the software is still very basic however it is still been developed. There are currently 4 different versions of the phones software out there. (1 is still in the ideas stage) Having used all three I can honestly say I am smitten with the Qtopia version software.

http://qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/

At the end of the day I know people have their own preferences but I really cannot stand ignorant people who think because the iPhone 'looks cool' then everything else is crap.

I applaud OpenMoko for this phone.
#16.1 Xilo on 22 Jul 2008 - 13:56
(Sawyer12 said @ #16)
I have to say something here. First of all I LOVE the OpenMoko Freerunner. I have been following the development for a good while now and have been eagarly awaiting the No 2 Hardware revision of the phone. It finally arrived last week and I havent been able to put it down since. Let me point out a few things:

The FreeRunner is a true hackers phone. You can do what you like with it . . . Can you do that with the Iphone?

Granted out of the box the software is still very basic however it is still been developed. There are currently 4 different versions of the phones software out there. (1 is still in the ideas stage) Having used all three I can honestly say I am smitten with the Qtopia version software.

http://qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/

At the end of the day I know people have their own preferences but I really cannot stand ignorant people who think because the iPhone 'looks cool' then everything else is crap.

I applaud OpenMoko for this phone.

iPhone supplies a full SDK for developing applications. Yeah, it's not a hackers phone at all...

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