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New RIAA Lawsuit Defense Tactic Challenges Copyright Law

James7   via wired.com on 30 July 2008 - 01:25 · 26 comments & 11083 views

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Here's a unique defense to a Recording Industry Association of America file sharing lawsuit: Admit liability and challenge the law under which you're being sued.

That's what a Bronx woman did Monday in New York federal court. Denise Barker is accused of file sharing eight songs on the Kazaa network in 2004. If found liable, she faces fines under the Copyright Act of $750 to $150,000 per song.

Barker's attorney, Ray Beckerman, admitted the woman file shared and challenged the constitutionality of the Copyright Act, the law under which the RIAA sued Barker and thousands of others. The fines the act authorizes for each download is unconstitutionally excessive and against U.S. Supreme Court precedent, Beckerman said.

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#1 aStRaLgOd on 30 Jul 2008 - 01:38
I'm not a lawyer, but if it works, go for it! heh
(1 reply) #2 ChrisJ1968 on 30 Jul 2008 - 01:54
no kidding the MPAA said it is asking for permission or a law to sue people WITHOUT any proof. that's insane and rediculous
#2.1 Glassed Silver on 01 Aug 2008 - 09:56
that organisation is unconstitutional therefore... unarguably even.
if i was in charge, i'd ban them. easy.

Glassed Silver:mac
(1 reply) #3 Airlink on 30 Jul 2008 - 02:08
She better have deep pockets, because such a constitutionality-based challenge can really only be resolved by taking the case to the Supreme Court and then winning... and fighting that one against the freeking RIAA will require you to be able to shell out a truckload of money.
#3.1 Glassed Silver on 01 Aug 2008 - 10:08
Suits handled by the Supreme Court are not about two parties fighting against each other.
The SC has to decide whether a law is constitutional, nothing else, always.
If yes -> the RIAA vs. NY woman suit is based on constitutional law and therefore can be picked up again.
If no -> lawsuit must be dropped because it does not base on commiting a crime.

According to Human Rights and I guess the Bill of Right one cannot be sued without an according law.
If that law with its specification about being punishable for every single song is pulled, then she might even get away with it all together.
That law would practically never have existed and a revised law - hence theoretically a totally new one cannot apply to commitments that happened in the time before its enacting.

Now I don't know whether "all" whats needed to sue her is written in that single act or sub-part, because if not, she is again sueable... just not for every single download. (If found unconstitional that is, of cause)

Well one could argue that the SC judges are "supported" by the RIAA, then again i'd say:
maybe not, but they might be frightened for sure to make a decision that would make such drastic changes, even though it might be rightful.

Glassed Silver:mac
#4 vetJames7 on 30 Jul 2008 - 03:10
The lawyer involved has published a document on 'Large Recording Companies vs. The Defenseless: Some Common Sense Solutions to the Challenges of the RIAA Litigations' so it seems he is well prepared for this.
#5 +M2Ys4U on 30 Jul 2008 - 03:13
Good luck to her. She's going to need it.
(2 replies) #6 KamiQuazi on 30 Jul 2008 - 03:57
Isn't there a Statute of Limitations on certain crime?
#6.1 zarniwoop on 30 Jul 2008 - 12:35
Good question, 14 years ago is a long time!
#6.2 TRC on 30 Jul 2008 - 19:00
I'm not a math whiz but I think 2004 was only 4 years ago.
#7 +DrunkenMaster on 30 Jul 2008 - 04:04
Smart of the lawyer to take on this approach. He's got to be confident he's going to win. Winning this case would definately make him a legal "star", failing is a bump in the road. More to gain than loose.
#8 FISO on 30 Jul 2008 - 05:05
FYI, if you want to keep up with this a little more the lawyer is a regular poster on SlashDot.

NewYorkCountryLawyer

It's just nice to know that people in the tech community are getting the chance to educate people in the judicial system!
#9 Tikitiki on 30 Jul 2008 - 05:55
Power to the People!

I've been waiting for the day the RIAA gets served some of their own medicine.
(1 reply) #10 ChrisJ1968 on 30 Jul 2008 - 06:59
especially for screwing people wrongly. I think all music artists should stop and sell their own music themselves.
#10.1 Glassed Silver on 01 Aug 2008 - 10:13
Whilst liking the idea of "no more labels sucking money like hell" I gotta ask:
You do know that artists aren't signing deals with labels just because they like to share their income?
Do you have any idea what it costs to produce your own stuff? We wouldn't see any newcomers coming anymore, or if, just the ones with rich daddies. Cheers.

Glassed Silver:mac
#11 Kushan on 30 Jul 2008 - 09:13
I supposed when you live in the bronx and are being sued for $150,000 x 8, you may as well take it all the way and try to change the law to something more sensible.
I wish her luck, not just for her own sake, but for everyone's as if this continues, I can see the RIAA taking it further and trying to sue people for things like ripping CD's.
Oh wait, they already did!
#12 Volatile on 30 Jul 2008 - 11:24
I hope she wins.
(4 replies) #13 C_Guy on 30 Jul 2008 - 14:54
"The fines the act authorizes for each download is unconstitutionally excessive"

Then don't break the law. What an unbearably stupid woman. If you don't want to face the consequences of illegal file sharing don't do it. How hard is that to understand? Maybe they will drop the lawsuit based on the fact that the defendant is too MORONIC to realize how to work a computer in the first place and therefore can't be held accountable for anything.
#13.1 vetJames7 on 30 Jul 2008 - 15:45
(C_Guy said @ #13)
"The fines the act authorizes for each download is unconstitutionally excessive"

Then don't break the law. What an unbearably stupid woman. If you don't want to face the consequences of illegal file sharing don't do it. How hard is that to understand? Maybe they will drop the lawsuit based on the fact that the defendant is too MORONIC to realize how to work a computer in the first place and therefore can't be held accountable for anything.


The key word there is 'unconstitutionally'. The United States has a Constitution and laws cannot be made that violate it. Beckerman, the lawyer, believes the fines to be unconstitutional, and so his client is suing to have the law re-examined so that it may be overturned.
#13.2 Tha Bloo Monkee on 30 Jul 2008 - 17:45
(C_Guy said @ #13)
Then don't break the law. What an unbearably stupid woman. If you don't want to face the consequences of illegal file sharing don't do it. How hard is that to understand? Maybe they will drop the lawsuit based on the fact that the defendant is too MORONIC to realize how to work a computer ...


C_Guy to the rescue once again. We know it's the law, but $150,000 for one song is a little steep, don't you think? If someone physically stole an entire CD from a store and got caught, they wouldn't be paying anywhere close to $150,000. However, if you do it online, BAM. Gotta love those big companies.

For the record, she obviously knows how to use a computer enough to download a song, so she can't be that 'MORONIC', n'est-ce pas?
#13.3 Xeta on 30 Jul 2008 - 22:56
C_Guy to the rescue once again. We know it's the law, but $150,000 for one song is a little steep, don't you think? If someone physically stole an entire CD from a store and got caught, they wouldn't be paying anywhere close to $150,000. However, if you do it online, BAM. Gotta love those big companies.


What I've been saying for years. A friend of mine got caught stealing a CD from a retail shop and ended up with a $300 fine and a ban from the store for a year. That was pretty much it. That $300 is nowhere near $150,000.
#13.4 Glassed Silver on 01 Aug 2008 - 10:27
(Tha Bloo Monkee said @ #13.2)
(C_Guy said @ #13)
Then don't break the law. What an unbearably stupid woman. If you don't want to face the consequences of illegal file sharing don't do it. How hard is that to understand? Maybe they will drop the lawsuit based on the fact that the defendant is too MORONIC to realize how to work a computer ...


C_Guy to the rescue once again. We know it's the law, but $150,000 for one song is a little steep, don't you think? If someone physically stole an entire CD from a store and got caught, they wouldn't be paying anywhere close to $150,000. However, if you do it online, BAM. Gotta love those big companies.

[...]

Good point, because:
-A big label isn't nearly as screwed when they lose potential profit (if they actually got that profit to begin with, but that's another topic) like a store that actually BOUGHT the CD and now not only has no profit of it, it's also got practical realistic LOST money. Small store = affacted more
-Copying is not stealing
-Damn I had more points, but I forgot them.

Glassed Silver:mac
(3 replies) #14 +techbeck on 30 Jul 2008 - 15:18
No one would break the law if the RIAA started to produce quality music. I hate todays bands because anyone that can hold a tune is getting a record deal. Tons of bands now sound the same and have no unique sound at all. I have been listening to a lot of the older bands lately because they all sound different and its much much better music. The RIAA needs to go away them losing money is their own damn fault. I also think that 150k per song is RIDICULOUS. I mean, who can afford this? Granted the person broke the law, but this person will end up in jail for not being able to pay the fine and then we...the tax payers...will have to pay for that person to be in jail. Now, is that fair?
#14.1 +MetalHellsAngel on 30 Jul 2008 - 15:42
(techbeck said @ #14)
No one would break the law if the RIAA started to produce quality music. I hate todays bands because anyone that can hold a tune is getting a record deal. Tons of bands now sound the same and have no unique sound at all. I have been listening to a lot of the older bands lately because they all sound different and its much much better music. The RIAA needs to go away them losing money is their own damn fault. I also think that 150k per song is RIDICULOUS. I mean, who can afford this? Granted the person broke the law, but this person will end up in jail for not being able to pay the fine and then we...the tax payers...will have to pay for that person to be in jail. Now, is that fair?


+1
#14.2 Gotenks98 on 30 Jul 2008 - 16:06
(MetalHellsAngel said @ #14.1)
(techbeck said @ #14)
No one would break the law if the RIAA started to produce quality music. I hate todays bands because anyone that can hold a tune is getting a record deal. Tons of bands now sound the same and have no unique sound at all. I have been listening to a lot of the older bands lately because they all sound different and its much much better music. The RIAA needs to go away them losing money is their own damn fault. I also think that 150k per song is RIDICULOUS. I mean, who can afford this? Granted the person broke the law, but this person will end up in jail for not being able to pay the fine and then we...the tax payers...will have to pay for that person to be in jail. Now, is that fair?


+1
I agree time and time again I see this with musicians. They make a cd with like 15 tracks or so and maybe 2 songs on the whole cd are worth listening to and even then they arent that great. Samething goes with movies too. It is very rare I see something worth going to see.
#14.3 +M2Ys4U on 30 Jul 2008 - 16:09
No, piracy would still happen unless the songs were free.

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