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UK: Web Giants Should Screen User-generated Content

Daniel Fleshbourne   on 31 July 2008 - 15:58 · 19 comments & 6848 views

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Web giants such as Google and Facebook should pre-screen user content before it goes online, since offensive material threatens the Internet's overall health, according to a U.K. government report released Thursday. The recommendation comes as social-networking, video-sharing and other Web sites battle problems with cyberbullying, violence and offensive material.

Thereport, from the House of Commons' Culture Media and Sport Committee, advocates assigning a government minister to oversee Internet safety as well as other issues such as P-to-P (peer-to-peer) file sharing and targeted advertising systems. Google depends on users to report offensive videos on YouTube and removes bad ones that have been flagged within the hour, the company told the committee.

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(1 reply) #1 theyarecomingforyou on 31 Jul 2008 - 16:10
Can we please vote out the Labour government people? Reports like this are just embarrassing for the country as a whole. Not all of us are imbeciles, despite what reports like this may suggest.
#1.1 Valiant on 31 Jul 2008 - 19:42
(theyarecomingforyou said @ #1)
Can we please vote out the Labour government people? Reports like this are just embarrassing for the country as a whole. Not all of us are imbeciles, despite what reports like this may suggest.
Cips should be pre-screened....

here's why....
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/stor...5001021,00.html
#2 njlouch on 31 Jul 2008 - 16:12
Wow, it's amazing how people who totally don't understand the nature of the web, seem to feel they are qualified to spout ridiculous suggestions like this.
#3 nigor on 31 Jul 2008 - 17:09
Oh wow, just like theyarecomingforyou mentioned, with reports like this I start to think of U.K. as European equivalent of U.S.

When I watched V for Vendetta I thought U.K. was a poor choice, but articles like this and some other ones I read regarding U.K. make me think otherwise.
#4 LaXu on 31 Jul 2008 - 17:25
Just once again shows how politicians and lawmakers are often totally out of touch with IT stuff. It only takes one knowledgeable person to crush that suggestion with the words "That's ****in' stupid. It would take tons of manpower to screen all the content uploaded."
#5 BrokenAI on 31 Jul 2008 - 18:55
On the plus side it opens up more employment options

Also a good way to burn more money and cause frustration among users, resulting in chaotic violence on the streets.

In present times we demand everything high-speed or instantaneous
(5 replies) #6 Valiant on 31 Jul 2008 - 19:40
This report is correct, i'm sick of all these companies like Youtube using illegal content and then blaming the users. They SHOULD pre-screen the clips before they allow them to represent their website.

For example there was a case of a woman who was drugged and raped and then the video of it was posted on Youtube for all to see.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article831344.ece
Youtube/Google believe they are above the law.

Its about time the government finally got tough on them.
#6.1 plastikaa on 31 Jul 2008 - 20:14
If this rule applies to Google / Youtube then it has to apply to everyone... anyone with a website where something can be uploaded would be forced to check it... maybe next they will say forums like Neowin need to check every post and image uploaded - because who knows what it could contain!!

It is not realistic to suggest this, if they tried to implement this its more likely that video sites would change how they operate to bypass the law somehow.

It is realistic to blame the users - after all they have agreed a Terms or Use... and they have lied. Imagine if every company had to check the information to everything you submitted to them!
#6.2 Danielx714 on 31 Jul 2008 - 20:23
(Valiant said @ #6)
This report is correct, i'm sick of all these companies like Youtube using illegal content and blah blah blah


I agree, they should prescreen user profiles being put up on myspace and face book to make sure there is no bad content. Better yet, why don't they just prescreen everything that goes up on the internet, that way the internet could be a nice safe haven for kids and animals.... YAY!

/end sarcasm
#6.3 imis on 31 Jul 2008 - 21:40
(Danielx714 said @ #6.2)
(Valiant said @ #6)
This report is correct, i'm sick of all these companies like Youtube using illegal content and blah blah blah


I agree, they should prescreen user profiles being put up on myspace and face book to make sure there is no bad content. Better yet, why don't they just prescreen everything that goes up on the internet, that way the internet could be a nice safe haven for kids and animals.... YAY!

/end sarcasm

i agree they should prescreen everything that goes up on the internet, that way the internet could be a nice safe haven a for kids and other.
#6.4 +Dakkaroth on 31 Jul 2008 - 23:31
(imis said @ #6.3)
i agree they should prescreen everything that goes up on the internet, that way the internet could be a nice safe haven a for kids and other.


Parents would love that. Anything that keeps them from having to actually watch what their children get into, ya know?
#6.5 Danielx714 on 01 Aug 2008 - 16:00
(imis said @ #6.3)
i agree they should prescreen everything that goes up on the internet, that way the internet could be a nice safe haven a for kids and other.


who needs free speech and free expression when morals is in question right?

I seriously hope you were kidding
(3 replies) #7 +M2Ys4U on 31 Jul 2008 - 21:03
Impossible.
#7.1 Valiant on 31 Jul 2008 - 21:27
(M2Ys4U said @ #7)
Impossible.

Why? Google/youtube are one of the richest companies in the world, they could have massive warehouses full of staff just pre-screening the clips. Hell I could pre-screen a 1000 per hour easy. Its not rocket science.

oh "The Dark knight" uploaded by a 12 year old in Belgium "DENY CLIP!"

Easy!
#7.2 +M2Ys4U on 01 Aug 2008 - 10:08
(Valiant said @ #7.1)
(M2Ys4U said @ #7)
Impossible.

Why? Google/youtube are one of the richest companies in the world, they could have massive warehouses full of staff just pre-screening the clips. Hell I could pre-screen a 1000 per hour easy. Its not rocket science.

oh "The Dark knight" uploaded by a 12 year old in Belgium "DENY CLIP!"

Easy!

YouTube is already unprofitable; Google classes the YT revenue as "immaterial".

Around 10 hours worth of material is uploaded every minute. So you'd need probably 1000 staff (after all, humans are inefficient plus need breaks... health and safety and all that) working at all times.

At £5.52 an hour (minimum wage), that amounts to £3,974,400 a month. £4 million! Then you add on the costs of the actual building, heating, lighting, electricity, computer equipment, furniture, managerial staff, maintenance staff, extra HR costs, bandwidth costs... it's just completely and utterly economically unviable.
#7.3 Shannon on 02 Aug 2008 - 13:47
(Valiant said @ #7.1)
(M2Ys4U said @ #7)
Impossible.

Why? Google/youtube are one of the richest companies in the world, they could have massive warehouses full of staff just pre-screening the clips. Hell I could pre-screen a 1000 per hour easy. Its not rocket science.

oh "The Dark knight" uploaded by a 12 year old in Belgium "DENY CLIP!"

Easy!

But if you're going to police Google, you also have to police every other site on the internet. Just because Google makes millions doesn't mean they are the only ones that this rule applies to. What about small non-profit forums? You can't expect them to pay staff to screen every single post can you?
(1 reply) #8 Valiant on 31 Jul 2008 - 21:23
I'm sorry but any site that repeatedly keeps uploading illegal content should be closed down or at least switch to pre-screening if they keep having users breaking the uploading rules. They can't just carry on breaking the law like this.

In real life these excuses these internet companies use don't work, I couldn't just keep ignoring drug use in my nightclub and then just say to the police well "theres just too many people taking the drugs so I couldn't keep up with what they were all doing. its their fault not mine".

They'd say "tough thats the law if you can't keep this club drug free then you will have your license removed" and they'd have me shut down by the end of the week.



#8.1 +Dakkaroth on 31 Jul 2008 - 23:48
It's not the website owners uploading it, it's the users. Google does their job in keeping a lot of bad stuff off. They can't be everywhere at once though. Where people get this silly idea that just because they're such a big company that they have the manpower to do these sorts of things is beyond me. It's about as silly as C_Guy's belief that they can read millions of emails at once just to put a dumb little advertisement on the side.

Just think for instance if Neowin had every post screened before allowing it to go through. It would take so much time that many posts wouldn't even go through to begin with! Website owners would be dead tired of getting on just to allow posts to flow through. The site would just be sluggish and eventually would lose its popularity. And that's just Neowin by itself, not including the tons of other sites.

Your night club analogy doesn't exactly fit at all either.

Last edited by Dakkaroth on 01 Aug 2008 - 00:15
#9 MaJoR on 01 Aug 2008 - 08:33
Imagine. 3 billion people on the net. Most of the 3 billion that are not on the net are unable to get online. How are you going to monitor a majority of the modern world? Imagine they a single item each day. Myspace, youtube, email, everything, they can only send or post one time. According to my quick math, if the government hired 10,000 people to monitor the world, with the 1 item per day rule, they would still require that they each view 300,000 items per day per person.


Can you guys see why the net is impossible to screen? The only thing governments can do is put firewalls and filters. They always have wholes and when it comes to good videos verses bad videos they can't do a thing.

Now for something smaller. Myspace. 50 million users. Myspace has what, a dozen staffers? First they would need to change it from a free site to subscription based, just to pay for the thousands of screeners. Then, that 50 million userbase with go down to just about ZERO. Myspace would fold up and some other site not so regulated would rise in it's place.

Censoring the net is futile. All it will do is get people mad.

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