The Taiwanese Fair Trade Commission is investigating a complaint against Microsoft made by the Taiwanese Consumer Foundation, which claims the company is effectively using its monopoly to force sales of Vista.The Foundation claims its research shows 56 per cent of people buying new machines, with Vista on, would later put XP on their new box and that 67 per cent thought Microsoft should continue to offer XP. XP is still available in Taiwan on some new, lower-spec machines.
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nope.. use your old license on new machine...
Only if the old operating systems are inferior in everyway. Unfortunately, Vista's user experience is exponentially more infuriating than XP's. And not just because of the God-awful UAC.
Doesn't matter one iota if the stuff under the hood is better.
Only if the old operating systems are inferior in everyway witch XP is. Fortunately, Vista's user experience is exponentially better than XP's. And not just because of UAC.
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lol so true, 16% is far higher than I thought it would be tho..
which is 15% higher than linux...
XP is not inferior in every way, Vista is not inferior in every way. Vista, however, at least has been designed for modern PCs. Don't run it on an old PC, and you won't have problems.
XP is not inferior in every way, Vista is not inferior in every way. Vista, however, at least has been designed for modern PCs. Don't run it on an old PC, and you won't have problems.
+1 , that pretty much sums it up
p.s. i been using Vista (with SP1) since late March of this year and overall i would rather not go back to WinXP (mainly cause of the little things)... but for those who are still using XP, one things for sure, it's a 'safe bet'
XP is not inferior in every way, Vista is not inferior in every way. Vista, however, at least has been designed for modern PCs. Don't run it on an old PC, and you won't have problems.
Unfortunately, all of the PCs for sale are modern until you buy them, at which point they become old and out of date.
which is 15% higher than linux...
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.asp...p;qptimeframe=M
Vista: 16.93%
Linux: 0.82%
Which puts Vista over 16 percentage points over Linux.
Only if the old operating systems are inferior in everyway. Unfortunately, Vista's user experience is exponentially more infuriating than XP's. And not just because of the God-awful UAC.
Doesn't matter one iota if the stuff under the hood is better.
Please provide examples or something. I'm tired of these kinds of blanket statements. Have absolutely nothing behind them. At some point it has become cool to bash Windows Vista. Seriously, learn to think about things on your own and not be such a sheep.
These is some truth to this.. but you are right, people need evidence.
I found UAC annoying because it would repeatedly ask me if i want to change the extension of a file with a prompt from vista saying "this file may become unusable etc.." and UAC "cancel or allow". And this would happen for every file, in the same folder. I've since disabled UAC but now I've noticed that I don't have access to my own My Music folder or My Pictures folder shortcuts in Documents! Not that I really use them, but its happened with other shortcuts as well, those are just the ones I can think of atm. Is this because of UAC? I don't know, but even so, this should not happen.
I still boot XP though, for use with older programs like MS Visual Studio 6, which I need to use for a certain project. Sometimes older games as well. But I've been okay with Vista other than a few things I would change here and there. Mostly UI changes, which could probably be done with registry tweaks.
Also, the fact that it immediately complains about a non responding program is extremely aggravating.. especially when it doesn't give you the option to "wait to see if program responds".
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Nothing you've just described is in any way part of UAC. Also, the "My Music" and "My Pictures" folders are just hidden junctions that you can't actually use. The "Music" and "Pictures" folders are the real ones. The "My xxxx" ones are hidden, and only for backwards compatibility reasons. The file extensions thing isn't part of UAC either. "Cancel" and "Allow" prompts are only given by Explorer when Explorer hits an "Access Denied" error trying to do something, for instance, writing in \Program Files\.
The claim about monopoly its absurd. They are "forcing" Vista sales because its their latest product. Just as every other company in the world. Or tell me about one that tries to force sales of older products instead of new ones.
The claim about monopoly its absurd. They are "forcing" Vista sales because its their latest product. Just as every other company in the world. Or tell me about one that tries to force sales of older products instead of new ones.
The entire world should stop using MS software instead of complaining about it. There are alternatives now, but these governments that complain about the MS monopoly don't do anything to support them.
I think the truth is that foreign governments use this as an excuse to extort $$$ from MS, or concessions from the US government.
If you really don't like MS, stop using MS products!
ok so let me buy a new pc with windows ME on it then...
The Linux guys would like a word with you.
The Linux guys would like a word with you.
I lol'd
I don't know anyhting about Taiwanese law so its hard to comment on how they think they can make the case but from a US stand point it doesn't hold water.
I got Vista in March 07 on a brand new HP Pavillion dv9000. The thing was great after the first start but then slowed down after I let Norton (which came preinstalled) to start mucking up the system. PC slowed to a crawl. After that I set it back to factory settings, cleaned off every instance of Norton and cleaned the registry and the PC was running normally again.
Incidentally, I then installed my preferred security suite (Zone Alarm) and the same thing happened. I set it to factory settings again, again removed Norton and Zone Alarm and cleaned the registry and the PC has been rock solid ever since. Now I run Windows Live OneCare and I was skeptical at first but it runs fantastically. Unlike Norton; you don't even know its there.
Didn't all of the same hubbub arise with the release of XP? What, are Microsoft not allowed to release a new OS ever?
I swear, in twenty years, any greater distribution of wealth in the world will be directly related to how many lawsuits have been brought against Microsoft.
i personally prefer XP for some reasons but vista is not bad at all!!
also i thought MS is not selling retail XP anymore
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intel cuz they are pushing Quad core on us .. we demand P3 !
apple cuz they are pushing OSX on us .. we demand OS9 to be back !
adobe cuz they are pushing CS3 on us ... we went CS1 !
nokia cuz they are pushing N96 on us ... we went 1110 !
rofl
You're just upset that you got conned into buying a beta for Window 7.
You're just upset that you got conned into buying a beta for Window 7.
lmao so true!
lmao so true!
How in the world does that make sense to you two?
Why would people get annoyed at anti-Vista propaganda (yes, it is), when you're suggesting those people dislike Vista. Are all people who defend Vista delusional and irrational in your world?
Get off the bandwagon, try it, make up your own mind.
lmao so true!
How in the world does that make sense to you two?
Why would people get annoyed at anti-Vista propaganda (yes, it is), when you're suggesting those people dislike Vista. Are all people who defend Vista delusional and irrational in your world?
Get off the bandwagon, try it, make up your own mind.
Those 2 don't have minds of their own.
80% of people will think vista is XP with a new theme on it, 56% of computer users don't know what an "operating system" is much less would be willing to install XP
let the people alone
and leave the OS thinges for g33ks and pros
That's why we have laws, to keep them in check, even though M$ continually breaks them.
if softes companys complain let build there own os with there own rules
MS should be free to do whatever they went with windows not stupied courts and whining loser who went easy money
That's why we have laws, to keep them in check, even though M$ continually breaks them.
Memes such as $-replacement went out of style a long while ago. They don't help your argument, they hinder it.
You should probably research a little more about what Microsoft is, and does.
Well I am neither sensible, nor missing the point, which is this:
56% of people buying a new computer in Taiwan are being forced to also buy an OS that they do not even want.
Also, Vista is total balls, so suck it dinks.
Because they don't know any better? Most people who buy PCs go to big retailers.
Because they don't know any better? Most people who buy PCs go to big retailers.
How is any of this Microsoft's problem?
Microsoft has made a new operating system, and they don't want to sell their old one anymore. Why should they be forced to sell it?
How can anyone justify forcing a company to sell an old product that they want to phase out?
Because they don't know any better? Most people who buy PCs go to big retailers.
If they don't know enough about computers to know any better, how the hell did they decide they don't want Vista?
The changes the UI are by far some of the least significant in Vista. If you're going to troll, please find some material that would at least require some of us to think about it before we dismiss it as nonsense.
The changes the UI are by far some of the least significant in Vista. If you're going to troll, please find some material that would at least require some of us to think about it before we dismiss it as nonsense.
Better yet, can you list some reasons why average consumers should consider the move to Vista? What features does Vista really have that are useful to the average consumer over XP?
You have to take into account DX10 is not really a reason since most do not game on their PC and the same effects can be achieved under DX9 and similar API's. The API isn't what makes pretty graphics, art direction and modeling is.
Most average consumers won't give a damn about superfetch, DX10, UAC etc.... average consumers is where the market is, power users are a minority in the PC market.
If you want to accuse someone of trolling, at least list some reasons to successfully debunk their argument.
these fools should read the eula... microsoft cant force anybody to use their stuff, you can easily click the decline button when you start up your new comp for the first time
these fools should read the eula... microsoft cant force anybody to use their stuff, you can easily click the decline button when you start up your new comp for the first time
Then they'd sue MS for not including an OS (yes I know the PC manufacturer is really to blame, but they'd still sue MS)
these fools should read the eula... microsoft cant force anybody to use their stuff, you can easily click the decline button when you start up your new comp for the first time
It doesn't matter, the consumer was forced into paying for it anyways, will your beloved law-breaking anti-competitive monopoly give them a refund because they didn't want vi$ta? hahah no way.
EDIT: Duh... Taiwan
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To the article, I don't get the point of what they are doing. I don't see them suing Apple for including OSX 10.5 on all their Macs (I know it's not exactly the same thing, but I hope at least someone gets what I mean? maybe?) which to me makes them hypocrites.
Well that is what I think, so take with a grain of salt.
To the article, I don't get the point of what they are doing. I don't see them suing Apple for including OSX 10.5 on all their Macs (I know it's not exactly the same thing, but I hope at least someone gets what I mean? maybe?) which to me makes them hypocrites.
Well that is what I think, so take with a grain of salt.
OSX wasn't a step backwards.
To the article, I don't get the point of what they are doing. I don't see them suing Apple for including OSX 10.5 on all their Macs (I know it's not exactly the same thing, but I hope at least someone gets what I mean? maybe?) which to me makes them hypocrites.
Well that is what I think, so take with a grain of salt.
OSX wasn't a step backwards.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.0
Checking Vista article bash list..
Senseless Foub comment.. check.
Senseless toadeater comment.. check.
Senseless James Riske comment.. check.
Senseless LTD comment.. MISSING. FATAL ERROR, EXITING.
Ontopic:
Seriously now. Are you forcing Apple to sell 3rd gen iPods because you only want black and white screens? This isn't an anti-apple flamebait comment. Just offering a closer example from the same world rather than going for cars and what not.
Absurd article from an absurd source. Hate Vista as much as you want, But its a SOLID OS. And if you want to pretend Windows 7 will be infinitely better.. enjoy your misguided dreams. It is Vista with evolutionary improvements. It will SEEM better because by than all 3rd party ISV\IHV's will have drivers for all their offerings, And all will rejoice.
Oh wait. They already do. Trolls.
I bet I have wiped Vista off at least 100-150 machines now, including one of my own, because of people being P.O.'d at Vista!! Don't blame them one bit either.
They guy next to me in the shop complained long and hard, wanting XP on the machine he was lining up to buy but couldn't get it so he walked.
I had a plane to catch so didn't have time to shop around. I had no option but to take the Vista.
The introduction of Vista before it was market-ready, and Ms's bundling Vista with so-called Vista-ready machines which weren't and which were really only capable of running XP properly, has done Apple a huge favour. I've always been a satisfied Ms user and thought apple users were trendy idiots, but now I'm happy to join them just to get away from being treated with contempt by Microsoft. I'm just waiting for the new Macbook pro to be released next month. My brother couldn't wait, he just bought his first Apple, a Macbook, to get away from Microsoft after having been with Ms since 3.1 as I have. All of a sudden everyone around me is looking at Apples with interest. Apple must be thanking their lucky stars for Vista!
It's unfortunate you feel the need to blame your soundcard's problems on Vista. Perhaps the manufacturer didn't realize Vista was coming out? If they did they could have readied the drivers in time. But please, blame Vista. It's what people do around here.
If you feel the need to cling to XP, here's a tip: Purchase a downgrade license. There. How hard was that?
Ummm yeah. This is such an out-dated and groundless argument. What's that, Taiwan? Ohhhh you need cash. Well, step in line behind the EU, I believe they are running short already.
Don't approve of Microsoft's anti competitive business strategies? - idiot.
Forced to pay for Vista with a new machine, and all the hardware doesn't work, because even though the machine is "made for Vista", drivers don't exist for all the hardware? - idiot, how dare you blame MS and their "Made for Vista" certification policy?
If I start using Vista, even though it slows everything down by magnitudes on every machine I've tried it on (all high spec machines), can I join the ranks of the all knowing?
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