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Seven: One Windows, One Role

Daniel Fleshbourne   on 08 September 2008 - 15:47 · 21 comments & 5058 views

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I had hoped that Microsoft would take a role-based approach to Windows 7. But, there won't be roles, according to a Saturday blog post by Steven Sinofsky, senior veep of the Windows and Windows Live Engineering Group. He gave some pretty good reasons. In the post, Steven explains that customers well received Windows Server 2008's role-based approach. "The desktop PC (or laptop) is different because there is only a single PC and the roles are not as well defined. Only in the rarest cases is that PC dedicated to a single purpose," Steven writes.

"In nearly every study we have ever done, just about every PC runs at least one piece of software that other people do not run," he continues. "So we should take away from this the difficulty in even labeling a PC as being role specific." Steven regards the PC for the unique device that it is. Most products are created to do one or two things. The PC is unusual in that it's like a Swiss Army Knife that can do many things pretty well.

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(5 replies) #1 RobertH on 08 Sep 2008 - 16:41
I always thought it would be nice if MS created a striped down OS for dedicated PC games machines. You can't argue that PC gaming is no longer a niche market, and that the PC is the best gaming platform simply because it evolves and is always on the cutting edge of hardware. They could base it on something like the 360 OS, giving it all the basic functions but aim them all at gaming.

Of course thats about as likley as Apple bundling Windows Vista with all new Macs but it would be nice. I wouldnt be opposed to having an environment connected to the windows install that you could boot into to give games complete control over all resources and hardware.
#1.1 Gally on 08 Sep 2008 - 17:33
A gaming OS would be interesting but most people with gaming PC's also use them for other purposes and a gaming oriented OS would limit its capabilities with other tasks. Maybe if Win7 gave the option to optimist performance for different uses, like a wizard that would change the settings to the most suitable for the task assigned to it (like gaming).
#1.2 2Cold Scorpio on 08 Sep 2008 - 18:01
(Gally said @ #1.1)
A gaming OS would be interesting but most people with gaming PC's also use them for other purposes and a gaming oriented OS would limit its capabilities with other tasks. Maybe if Win7 gave the option to optimist performance for different uses, like a wizard that would change the settings to the most suitable for the task assigned to it (like gaming).


I have an idea: what if either the install disk could install a "Gamer" install on the harddrive (in addition to a normal Windows install). You could run a dual-boot configuration: one install of Windows for more standard PC uses, and one optimized for gaming and such.

Even better would be just an in-Windows option to go to "Gamer Mode": the system reboots, and loads only what a gamer would need (and with separate, optimized settings from Windows 'Normal' mode.). This would eliminate the need for dual-boots and multiple partitions, etc. Everything would still be installed like normal; its just a built-in 'boot option', so to speak, and you could still play games in Windows 'normal' mode if you wished (sometimes you just want to kill a few minutes in Doom or Half-Life 2 or something, ya know? ). Something else Gamer mode could do is have better support for older games, such as DOS-based games (via virtualization, I suppose), old Windows games that are hard to get working these days, etc.

Just a thought. ^_^
#1.3 Joshie on 08 Sep 2008 - 21:00
(2Cold Scorpio said @ #1.2)
(Gally said @ #1.1)
A gaming OS would be interesting but most people with gaming PC's also use them for other purposes and a gaming oriented OS would limit its capabilities with other tasks. Maybe if Win7 gave the option to optimist performance for different uses, like a wizard that would change the settings to the most suitable for the task assigned to it (like gaming).


I have an idea: what if either the install disk could install a "Gamer" install on the harddrive (in addition to a normal Windows install). You could run a dual-boot configuration: one install of Windows for more standard PC uses, and one optimized for gaming and such.

Even better would be just an in-Windows option to go to "Gamer Mode": the system reboots, and loads only what a gamer would need (and with separate, optimized settings from Windows 'Normal' mode.). This would eliminate the need for dual-boots and multiple partitions, etc. Everything would still be installed like normal; its just a built-in 'boot option', so to speak, and you could still play games in Windows 'normal' mode if you wished (sometimes you just want to kill a few minutes in Doom or Half-Life 2 or something, ya know? ). Something else Gamer mode could do is have better support for older games, such as DOS-based games (via virtualization, I suppose), old Windows games that are hard to get working these days, etc.

Just a thought. ^_^


I was just thinking of a Game Mode. It'd be an interesting thought. Or in the spirit of 'Run as administrator', throw a 'Run in gaming mode' option in there. Games can set the option by default during install if they want to, or leave it to the user. I don't know much about the workings of this sort of thing, but maybe put what's cleared out of memory into something like hibernation--stored on the harddrive--so that it can come right back up as soon as you exit the game.

It's a shame I alt-tab a lot when gaming. I'm much more of an adventure/rpg gamer and don't enjoy being trapped in time-sensitive button mashing games. The casual feel lets me clear my head doing something else if, say, a puzzle is especially parsing me off.
#1.4 MioTheGreat on 08 Sep 2008 - 23:50
(Joshie said @ #1.3)
I was just thinking of a Game Mode. It'd be an interesting thought. Or in the spirit of 'Run as administrator', throw a 'Run in gaming mode' option in there. Games can set the option by default during install if they want to, or leave it to the user. I don't know much about the workings of this sort of thing, but maybe put what's cleared out of memory into something like hibernation--stored on the harddrive--so that it can come right back up as soon as you exit the game.

To be honest, this is not going to gain you nearly as much as you'd think.

With multiple cores and loads of memory, and things like background i/o for services/etc., the performance hit that they give gaming is pretty negligible.
#1.5 +Skwerl on 10 Sep 2008 - 16:19
A specialized gaming computer is called a console. The vast majority of PC purchasers buy a PC to do a lot of different things.
(1 reply) #2 Mr Winkle on 08 Sep 2008 - 17:54
i just wished microsoft would create a single sku for all the client os. all this vista home premium, home basic, ultimate, etc is pretty confusing for average consumer, and lets face it the different between ultimate and home premium for many people in minimal. just save the confusion and have the same box for everybody. it's not as though most of the extras in the ultimate edition are even worth the premium, generally 3rd party tools do a better job anyway.
#2.1 LaXu on 08 Sep 2008 - 18:25
I totally agree. This would make sense considering Vista already has the "Turn Windows features on/off". Just expand on that to encompass all the crap found in the "Business" versions. Maybe have the user choose a default profile (Home/Office/Travel/All) on installation that would install a certain set of programs. The server version has its place but dividing the stuff aimed at common users into so many versions is not only confusing but also more costly and requires MS to support just more crap.

I don't see a reason for role-based versions either. On my Vista installation I watch movies, listen to music, play games, do coding, graphics, video, 3D modeling, audio recording..all perfectly fine with the same installation, same user and same profile.
(2 replies) #3 xMorpheousx416 on 08 Sep 2008 - 18:01
You can easily strip down Windows as it is to be a gaming OS. Why bother creating an entirely new OS just for that purpose? There would be too little of a market to put the resources into creating and maintaining the software.

"In nearly every study we have ever done, just about every PC runs at least one piece of software that other people do not run,"



Study? We see that everyday in tech support..
#3.1 Airlink on 08 Sep 2008 - 20:13
You can, actualy, strip down a Windows install to throw out the stuff you do not need to play games with. It's called nLite (vLite if your need to use Vista).
#3.2 xMorpheousx416 on 09 Sep 2008 - 18:45
Exactly... Airlink.

And.. after the install, you can strip it down even farther by turning off a ton of useless services, startup entries, themes and the default windows sounds. Afterwards, you can get into the registry and tweak it yet some more.

Windows is a gaming OS. If you haven't learned to tweak it by now.. you don't deserve to be called a 'geek'.
(3 replies) #4 Airlink on 08 Sep 2008 - 20:17
Wow. They finally figured this out. No more Media Center Edition/Home/Pro/Basic/Premium crap. Just one OS that does everything.

Yes, Microsoft, you finally got the concept right. Good. Now if only you can follow though with the actually OS, I might just forgive you for making Vista the cluster-f@ck it turned out to be.
#4.1 +/ -Razorfold on 08 Sep 2008 - 21:10
(Airlink said @ #4)
Wow. They finally figured this out. No more Media Center Edition/Home/Pro/Basic/Premium crap. Just one OS that does everything.

Yes, Microsoft, you finally got the concept right. Good. Now if only you can follow though with the actually OS, I might just forgive you for making Vista the cluster-f@ck it turned out to be.


Lawl...this has nothing to do with windows versions you twat. Its to do with dedicating a computer to one thing, rather than making it work with everything.
#4.2 Airlink on 09 Sep 2008 - 04:02
(/ -Razorfold said @ #4.1)
(Airlink said @ #4)
Wow. They finally figured this out. No more Media Center Edition/Home/Pro/Basic/Premium crap. Just one OS that does everything.

Yes, Microsoft, you finally got the concept right. Good. Now if only you can follow though with the actually OS, I might just forgive you for making Vista the cluster-f@ck it turned out to be.


Lawl...this has nothing to do with windows versions you twat. Its to do with dedicating a computer to one thing, rather than making it work with everything.

Um, no. RTFA. The part that says "I've long argued that there should be one version of the operating system." should be particular interest to you.
#4.3 +/ -Razorfold on 09 Sep 2008 - 17:45
(Airlink said @ #4.2)
(/ -Razorfold said @ #4.1)
(Airlink said @ #4)
Wow. They finally figured this out. No more Media Center Edition/Home/Pro/Basic/Premium crap. Just one OS that does everything.

Yes, Microsoft, you finally got the concept right. Good. Now if only you can follow though with the actually OS, I might just forgive you for making Vista the cluster-f@ck it turned out to be.


Lawl...this has nothing to do with windows versions you twat. Its to do with dedicating a computer to one thing, rather than making it work with everything.

Um, no. RTFA. The part that says "I've long argued that there should be one version of the operating system." should be particular interest to you.


Lol one line in the entire article says that...but its not what the article is about.
(1 reply) #5 mocax on 09 Sep 2008 - 01:59
They could be going modular with "Windows 7" starting with a kernel and some cli, selling for a mere $29.95

"Oh you want a GUI? pay $50 for it"
"Oh you want a window manager? $100 please"
"Goodness, you need a file manager? That'll be $25"
and so on
#5.1 Airlink on 09 Sep 2008 - 04:09
They better not pull that kind of crap or they might as well not even roll out Windows Seven. Nobody is dumb enough to buy an OS that needs critical components that you have to purchase separately. What they need to do is include everything plus the proverbial kitchen sink and then let you de-select what you don't want during the install, setup, and/or boot time.
(3 replies) #6 sirgh0st on 09 Sep 2008 - 04:04
And yet no matter how microsoft does this people are going to bitch and moan. So it is all pointless and just to do what they are going to do whatever that may be.

#6.1 Airlink on 09 Sep 2008 - 04:15
Microsoft have kind of painted themselves into a corner recently. Nobody actual needs Vista, the only reason it sold at all is that MS made dam sure you couldn't buy a new retail PC without also buying Vista; If they would have let people choose between Vista and XP, probably the majority would have chosen XP because it's what they know, it 's all they need, and it's less expensive. For Seven to sell, MS will either have to pull another Vista and force all the OEMs to sell it or they'll have to come up with a compelling reason for people to actually want it. They're apparently working on the latter, but I'm expecting the former.
#6.2 +/ -Razorfold on 09 Sep 2008 - 17:46
(Airlink said @ #6.1)
Microsoft have kind of painted themselves into a corner recently. Nobody actual needs Vista, the only reason it sold at all is that MS made dam sure you couldn't buy a new retail PC without also buying Vista; If they would have let people choose between Vista and XP, probably the majority would have chosen XP because it's what they know, it 's all they need, and it's less expensive. For Seven to sell, MS will either have to pull another Vista and force all the OEMs to sell it or they'll have to come up with a compelling reason for people to actually want it. They're apparently working on the latter, but I'm expecting the former.


Yes yes...because people REALLLY NEEED leopard, people reallllly need office 2007....I can go on.

Vista is a huge improvement to XP. Now if you've ever actually used it for more than 2mins than trusting all the FUD written about it, you would know.

And also...xp at release costed pretty much the same as vista at release, unless of course you want Ultimate. But then ultimate OEM is like 190 dollars. Big difference.

So please...quit your trolling.
#6.3 Escalade_GT on 10 Sep 2008 - 06:08
I've personally tried the hell out of Vista and I think it has nothing better to offer than XP. I like the look better, but nothing a shell patch in XP can't fix.

So please... quit your preaching...

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