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HP to gut nearly 8% of their workforce

Fred Derf   on 15 September 2008 - 22:42 · 24 comments & 11455 views

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Hewlett Packard CEO Mark Hurd decided that HP's future was in the more lucrative world of corporate service contracts when they purchased Electronic Data Systems in May of this year. That move placed them in direct competition with IBM, who also started with personal computers before specializing in corporate service contracts. In order to fully integrate EDS, HP has decided that 24,600 people have to go. HP believes that these job losses will make them more competitive each year to the tune of nearly $2 billion although there will be one-time costs of nearly the same amount to settle accounts with their departing employees (and other goodwill adjustments). When Hurd became HP's CEO in 2005, he began a downsizing of nearly 15,000 employees in order to maximize profits in the face of ever-shrinking personal computer margins. Their strongest profit area, despite additional competition, remains in printer ink.

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#1 portauthority on 15 Sep 2008 - 23:29
#2 KnightWolf on 15 Sep 2008 - 23:29
....as visions of texas chainsaw massacre run thru my head... bad choice of headline..lol
(2 replies) #3 Fred Derf on 15 Sep 2008 - 23:30
Their strongest profit area, despite additional competition, remains in printer ink.

Ironically, I ordered 3rd party manufactured ink cartridges for the first time today. To get the free shipping, I got two bundle packs that had 2 blacks, 1 yellow, 1 magenta, 1 cyan, 1 light magenta and 1 light cyan in each. Now, I'm set for a little while. Oh, and the stupid printer won't print in black and white while I'm out of one of the colours.
#3.1 Majesticmerc on 15 Sep 2008 - 23:42
You could still see how it would be profitable though, filling bits of plastic with coloured liquid, then charging an extortionate price to the consumer, the income from each cartridge sold must be orders of magnitude greater than the cost of creating the cartridge.
#3.2 +DrunkenMaster on 16 Sep 2008 - 02:23
(Majesticmerc said @ #3.1)
You could still see how it would be profitable though, filling bits of plastic with coloured liquid, then charging an extortionate price to the consumer, the income from each cartridge sold must be orders of magnitude greater than the cost of creating the cartridge.


I'm not disagreeing with you, but this is what keeps the economy going: suppliers, distributors, HP employees, etc. They pay taxes, spend money, get consumers to spend money. You can make the same argument for a lot of consumer goods. Whatever the market is willing to bear.

That said, I've seen the wholesale prices on the cartridges. Yes there are absurd profits. They are worse than some other products (like running shoes) because cartridges can dry out and get used up rather quickly.
(3 replies) #4 steelcurtain on 16 Sep 2008 - 00:30
Just about every printer requires some ink the color to print even black and white. It's not just HP brand that has that requirement.
#4.1 vetneufuse on 16 Sep 2008 - 01:39
(steelcurtain said @ #4)
Just about every printer requires some ink the color to print even black and white. It's not just HP brand that has that requirement.


Yeah, and that is stupid... you dont need black + CMY over coating it to make black... just make the darn blak pigment pure black... its just a big scam in the inkjet world to waste color ink... I use to have a Deskjet 360 i think it was? but when black ran out it would make black with CMY and when CMY where out it would print in grayscale only... those use to be the day
#4.2 plastikaa on 16 Sep 2008 - 09:08
For some printers you can get software online that can override ur printer to make it think it has full cartridges in it when it doesnt.

I use such software to make my printer think it always has ink in it - as im running a continuous ink system on my Epson R1800 (it costs less than a 1/10th of the price but the same quality prints). Also running such a system actually saves you even more money as you never really have to clean the print heads and also it doesnt automatically do a print head clean when u install a cartridge - print head cleaning actually cleans all the heads and wastes a bit of ink out of them all!!

Branded computer ink is more expensive than caviar for volume making it one of the most expensive things you can buy.
#4.3 joerockhead on 16 Sep 2008 - 15:40
(steelcurtain said @ #1)
Just about every printer requires some ink the color to print even black and white. It's not just HP brand that has that requirement.


Not Canon. Their refills aren't overpriced either.

Canon printers continue printing even when there is no color ink, of course you have to select grayscale for color printouts or end up with blank pages.

(2 replies) #5 A.B.L.N.N. on 16 Sep 2008 - 02:20
So are they cutting HP jobs or EDS jobs, because I have a lot of friends working at EDS.
#5.1 Fred Derf on 16 Sep 2008 - 02:41
(A.B.L.N.N. said @ #5)
So are they cutting HP jobs or EDS jobs, because I have a lot of friends working at EDS.

Unfortunately for your friends, it is mostly EDS jobs being cut.
#5.2 Harreh on 16 Sep 2008 - 22:40
Oh dear, my Dad works at EDS... mind you he's been there for at least two decades...
#6 DeaconFrost88 on 16 Sep 2008 - 02:56
I was laid off in 2006 from HP, all because Mark Hurd didn't think HP should spend as much on I.T. as Walmart does. He's a jackass, and only cares about the almighty dollar, not what he's doing to one of the great American companies. Now it seems the game is to acquire a company, axe most of their employees, but retain their BI, products, and customers.
#7 Shiranui on 16 Sep 2008 - 03:45
Just fire them, HP - no need to disembowel the poor bastards.
#8 ]SK[ on 16 Sep 2008 - 06:20
Lets hope this is their Indian support lines.
#9 silverfox55 on 16 Sep 2008 - 08:47
"""" Lets hope this is their Indian support lines.""""

No chance. In fact all of the new jobs they say they are going to create will be in India. You will only get the bare minimum required by law in that country, and nothing else.

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#10 Slugsie on 16 Sep 2008 - 08:54
Well, I'm an EDS employee in the UK, and I'd almost welcome redundancy. My current T&Cs mean I'd be in line for a very very nice pay packet.

But I'm in an very unusual situation, and for the rest this truly sucks.
(1 reply) #11 silverfox55 on 16 Sep 2008 - 09:13
UK compensation is 1 or 1 1/2 weeks for every full year served and that is it. and anything else is voluntary on the part of EDS.

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#11.1 Slugsie on 17 Sep 2008 - 09:00
That's normal compensation certainly. But my contract gets me 1 months pay for each year, plus I get a few years of enhanced service. So all in I'd be up for over 2 years pay.
#12 Magallanes on 16 Sep 2008 - 14:11
but where is it the syndicate?.

And why not to strike?. they have little to lose and too much to win.

(3 replies) #13 nmesisca on 16 Sep 2008 - 15:49
there is no IT unions
#13.1 Xeta on 16 Sep 2008 - 18:38
And for good reason, unions are a thing of the past. If they had it their way they'd turn IT into the overly expensive, multi-month long snore fest that is highway construction.
#13.2 Airlink on 16 Sep 2008 - 23:44
(nmesisca said @ #13)
there is no IT unions

Oh really?
:AHEM:
www.cwu.org
www.twu-canada.ca
www.cwa-union.org
www.allianceibm.org

Are you sure about that?
#13.3 nmesisca on 17 Sep 2008 - 10:05
(Airlink said @ #13.2)
(nmesisca said @ #13)
there is no IT unions

Oh really?
:AHEM:
www.cwu.org
www.twu-canada.ca
www.cwa-union.org
www.allianceibm.org

Are you sure about that?



unless you are assuming (as usually happens) that i am in the US or Canada, no there are no IT unions here.

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