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Brad Wardell   on 16 September 2008 - 23:46 · 88 comments & 30793 views

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Mary-Jo Foley's blog reports some of the new things in Microsoft's internally released Windows 7 milestone.

The successor to Windows Vista is only about a year away and scheduled to go into beta next month. The ribbon UI from Office 2007 seems to have migrated into some of the Windows Vista applications. A few other observations include that Powershell is part of the build along with rewritten versions of MS Paint, Calculator, and Word Pad.

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#1 Gabe3 on 16 Sep 2008 - 23:48
wow, only a year?
(3 replies) #2 rm20010 on 17 Sep 2008 - 00:03
If this screenshot's anything to go by:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3253/286281...38798451d_o.png

FINALLY. Windows can now have a decent picture editor and text processor (WordPad also has a ribbon UI).
#2.1 virtorio on 17 Sep 2008 - 03:29
Looks like it has the same features, so how does just re-arranging the toolbar make it a better editor?
#2.2 rm20010 on 17 Sep 2008 - 03:33
Okay, maybe not Paint, but hopefully WordPad.

Both apps have had the same antiquated UI dating back 13 years; it's about time they got a refresh.
#2.3 Jugalator on 17 Sep 2008 - 13:11
(rm20010 said @ #2)
If this screenshot's anything to go by:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3253/286281...38798451d_o.png

FINALLY. Windows can now have a decent picture editor and text processor (WordPad also has a ribbon UI).

Look at that interface again. It's mostly just a new UI, not more features. Don't be deceived by the ribbon bar. :p

I can only see a few new predefined "shapes" as the news.

Sure, you may be right it's improved in ways not visible there, but you can't tell that from the screenshot.
(3 replies) #3 plastikaa on 17 Sep 2008 - 00:09
Havent Microsoft said already is a 2010 release?
#3.1 toadeater on 17 Sep 2008 - 01:36
(plastikaa said @ #3)
Havent Microsoft said already is a 2010 release?


The latest rumor is that it has been moved up to June 2009 because they want to retire Vista ASAP. It really is Vista SP2 pretty much, rather than a new OS. Same kernel, lots of bug fixes, some updated apps. Maybe it will finally be worth upgrading to.
#3.2 FrozenEclipse on 17 Sep 2008 - 01:59
(toadeater said @ #3.1)
(plastikaa said @ #3)
Havent Microsoft said already is a 2010 release?


The latest rumor is that it has been moved up to June 2009 because they want to retire Vista ASAP. It really is Vista SP2 pretty much, rather than a new OS. Same kernel, lots of bug fixes, some updated apps. Maybe it will finally be worth upgrading to.


A rumor you likely just made up. Get a life.
#3.3 James Riske on 17 Sep 2008 - 02:47
(FrozenEclipse said @ #3.2)
(toadeater said @ #3.1)
(plastikaa said @ #3)
Havent Microsoft said already is a 2010 release?


The latest rumor is that it has been moved up to June 2009 because they want to retire Vista ASAP. It really is Vista SP2 pretty much, rather than a new OS. Same kernel, lots of bug fixes, some updated apps. Maybe it will finally be worth upgrading to.


A rumor you likely just made up. Get a life.



Last month I had a knock at the door, there stood a couple of religious kooks holding some sort of small newspaper called "Watchtower Society", for a brief moment in time I thought about neowin, I have no idea why, really...
(2 replies) #4 plastikaa on 17 Sep 2008 - 00:11
Paint should include basic photo editing features such as contrast brightness etc. at the very least.
#4.1 y_notm on 17 Sep 2008 - 00:53
Windows Photo Gallery doesn't work for you?
#4.2 GP007 on 17 Sep 2008 - 06:58
Paint .NET?

I think MS should add that into Win and get rid of the basic paint they have.
(7 replies) #5 excalpius on 17 Sep 2008 - 00:19
Oh goody, slightly updated versions of applications no one uses. Powershell?....honestly?!

Can we have some REAL feature/interface news about Windows 7 please?
#5.1 sharp65 on 17 Sep 2008 - 00:33
(excalpius said @ #5)
Oh goody, slightly updated versions of applications no one uses. Powershell?....honestly?!

Can we have some REAL feature/interface news about Windows 7 please?


Those are much needed updates to paint and wordpad, just because you don't use something doesn't make them important. The build was just recently released so information will take some time to come out.
#5.2 GFree678 on 17 Sep 2008 - 01:29
Regarding Powershell, I don't use it but am aware of how powerful it can be. Linux users tend to complain about the lackluster terminal in Windows, and Powershell addresses this somewhat. Boo hoo for Microsoft trying to improve their operating system.
#5.3 excalpius on 17 Sep 2008 - 09:27
No one uses MSPaint and NO ONE cares whether the Linux niche is whining about whether Windows is keeping up with 1970's level interface paradigms...ahem.

Regardless, just like it missed doing with Vista, MS needs something to sell END USERS on the next Windows. And this sort of thing isn't even worth covering from an end-user perspective.

What's going to be NEW and WOW in Windows 7?
#5.4 GFree678 on 17 Sep 2008 - 09:44
(excalpius said @ #5.3)
No one uses MSPaint and NO ONE cares whether the Linux niche is whining about whether Windows is keeping up with 1970's level interface paradigms...ahem.

Regardless, just like it missed doing with Vista, MS needs something to sell END USERS on the next Windows. And this sort of thing isn't even worth covering from an end-user perspective.

What's going to be NEW and WOW in Windows 7?

I agree, although the idea that command lines are stuck in the 70's is something that can only be said by someone who hasn't seen the power of a few commands crafted together to solve a task very efficiently. But anyway, that's not something the typical mainstream user would comprehend, which is why I agree.
#5.5 Jugalator on 17 Sep 2008 - 13:07
(excalpius said @ #5.3)
No one uses MSPaint and NO ONE cares whether the Linux niche is whining about whether Windows is keeping up with 1970's level interface paradigms...ahem.

Command line interfaces still have their uses due to the flexibility of some command line tools that allows one to do advanced batch jobs etc. There's a reason Microsoft Exchange 2007 is now also interfacing with PowerShell. This is nothing about Linux niches, it's about computing in general. It's just that various *nix based operating systems has had more powerful shells than Windows from the start, and Windows is only now catching up.
#5.6 Divide Overflow on 17 Sep 2008 - 22:08
(excalpius said @ #5.3)
No one uses MSPaint and NO ONE cares whether the Linux niche is whining about whether Windows is keeping up with 1970's level interface paradigms...ahem.
Windows has always kept up with 1970's level interface paradigms. As a result, Windows for a long time was more advanced than MacOS. Those paradigms are so advanced, Steve partied like it was 1979 and ADDED THEM BACK to MacOS in 2000. Golly gee!

(excalpius said @ #5.3)
Regardless, just like it missed doing with Vista, MS needs something to sell END USERS on the next Windows. And this sort of thing isn't even worth covering from an end-user perspective.
Aero was pretty nice in that regard, but on the other hand this is Neowin. . one of the many techie communities bitching incessantly about the Windows font installation dialog box. . a window that no normal user could possibly find. It interests us when updates are made to UI designs which are almost old enough to vote.

(excalpius said @ #5.3)
What's going to be NEW and WOW in Windows 7?
Would a Bill Gates bobble head doll work for you?
#5.7 excalpius on 20 Sep 2008 - 22:48
Nah, bobble heads are lame too.
(12 replies) #6 RAID 0 on 17 Sep 2008 - 00:28
Is there going to be a public beta release? If so, anyone know when?
#6.1 sirgh0st on 17 Sep 2008 - 00:56
LOL...not for quite some time. Did you really think MS would release an ALPHA copy to the general public? You might get lucky if you go to the 2009 pdc and get a copy there that is early though. First public betas will not be at least until sometime next year at the earliest.



#6.2 James Riske on 17 Sep 2008 - 01:17
(sirgh0st said @ #6.1)
LOL...not for quite some time. Did you really think MS would release an ALPHA copy to the general public?



Why not, they released vista.
#6.3 Airlink on 17 Sep 2008 - 01:34
(James Riske said @ #6.2)
(sirgh0st said @ #6.1)
LOL...not for quite some time. Did you really think MS would release an ALPHA copy to the general public?



Why not, they released vista.

LOLz
#6.4 DaDog V12 on 17 Sep 2008 - 01:44
James Riske, that does not apply with Vista SP1. I'm running on an Athlon 64 3200+ single core with 2GB DDR400 RAM. Overall it is much better and your comment failed.
#6.5 FrozenEclipse on 17 Sep 2008 - 02:01
(James Riske said @ #6.2)
(sirgh0st said @ #6.1)
LOL...not for quite some time. Did you really think MS would release an ALPHA copy to the general public?



Why not, they released vista.


I'd really like to see you come up with a better operating system.

Aaaaand.....GO!
#6.6 James Riske on 17 Sep 2008 - 02:32
(FrozenEclipse said @ #6.5)
(James Riske said @ #6.2)
(sirgh0st said @ #6.1)
LOL...not for quite some time. Did you really think MS would release an ALPHA copy to the general public?



Why not, they released vista.


I'd really like to see you come up with a better operating system.

Aaaaand.....GO!



Thanks, but I think the linux users may want to have a word with you first, actually the mac users too, and the people who still use XP and W2K may want to talk to you as well, even the 98SE and ME users look a bit miffed at your comment.
#6.7 James Riske on 17 Sep 2008 - 02:36
(DaDog V12 said @ #6.4)
James Riske, that does not apply with Vista SP1. I'm running on an Athlon 64 3200+ single core with 2GB DDR400 RAM. Overall it is much better and your comment failed.


#6.8 FrozenEclipse on 17 Sep 2008 - 05:51
(James Riske said @ #6.6)
(FrozenEclipse said @ #6.5)
(James Riske said @ #6.2)
(sirgh0st said @ #6.1)
LOL...not for quite some time. Did you really think MS would release an ALPHA copy to the general public?



Why not, they released vista.


I'd really like to see you come up with a better operating system.

Aaaaand.....GO!



Thanks, but I think the linux users may want to have a word with you first, actually the mac users too, and the people who still use XP and W2K may want to talk to you as well, even the 98SE and ME users look a bit miffed at your comment.


Just as I thought. Considering you lack the sort of intelligence required to understand an operating system, you say something completely irrelevant. Nice. Typical from you though.
#6.9 RAID 0 on 17 Sep 2008 - 06:50
I didn't realize I posted flame bait. My bad.
#6.10 virtorio on 17 Sep 2008 - 09:45
(RAID 0 said @ #6.9)
I didn't realize I posted flame bait. My bad.

When the topic is Operating Systems, just about anything is potential flame-bait.
#6.11 James Riske on 17 Sep 2008 - 21:20
(FrozenEclipse said @ #6.
Just as I thought. Considering you lack the sort of intelligence required to understand an operating system, you say something completely irrelevant. Nice. Typical from you though.



My reply was completely relevant, you said you would like to see me come up with a better os, my reply showed you that I don't need to since there are plenty of operating systems better than vista already out, and there are millions of users who would agree with me.
So that shows you to be the one who is lacking intelligence.

I love it when vista zealots try to start a flame war even after they already lost the thread.
#6.12 RAID 0 on 18 Sep 2008 - 05:18
(James Riske said @ #6.11)
(FrozenEclipse said @ #6.
Just as I thought. Considering you lack the sort of intelligence required to understand an operating system, you say something completely irrelevant. Nice. Typical from you though.



My reply was completely relevant, you said you would like to see me come up with a better os, my reply showed you that I don't need to since there are plenty of operating systems better than vista already out, and there are millions of users who would agree with me.
<snipped>


You know. That's called an opinion. Millions of users out there would swear that Vista is better than XP. Who gives a rat's ass what others think? Use what's best for you.
(5 replies) #7 scaramonga on 17 Sep 2008 - 01:18
lol.......a lot of work went into that then!...........pity the folk who were stupid enoungh to buy Bloatista.
#7.1 MioTheGreat on 17 Sep 2008 - 01:37
(scaramonga said @ #7)
lol.......a lot of work went into that then!...........pity the folk who were stupid enoungh to buy Bloatista.


What?
#7.2 GFree678 on 17 Sep 2008 - 04:15
(MioTheGreat said @ #7.1)
(scaramonga said @ #7)
lol.......a lot of work went into that then!...........pity the folk who were stupid enoungh to buy Bloatista.


What?

What what? When he says Bloatista he means Vista, cos it's bloated. Not hard to argue with that compared to other operating systems currently in existence. Hell I use Vista and even I think the damn thing is too bloated.
#7.3 FrozenEclipse on 17 Sep 2008 - 05:52
I assume you bought XP. That makes you more stupid.
#7.4 plastikaa on 17 Sep 2008 - 08:54
Most people don't even understand what bloated means in terms of code - let alone have a good enough understanding of Vistas code to call it bloated.
#7.5 kaiwai on 17 Sep 2008 - 10:13
(plastikaa said @ #7.4)
Most people don't even understand what bloated means in terms of code - let alone have a good enough understanding of Vistas code to call it bloated.


100% agree, most don't realise that bloat means disproportionate amount of code versus features.

By that definition, can Windows Vista be called bloat?
(1 reply) #8 Izlude on 17 Sep 2008 - 01:25
Why... Why wasn't paint vector based?!?!?!?!
#8.1 scaramonga on 17 Sep 2008 - 01:31
I get mine in a 2.5l tin?........dunno bout u?
(2 replies) #9 Airlink on 17 Sep 2008 - 01:39
Looks like Windows Seven (have they picked a name yet?) will be to Windows Vista as Windows 98SE was to Windows 98, or WinXP was to Win2K, or Win98 was to Win95.

Glad I didn't buy into Vista then.
#9.1 FrozenEclipse on 17 Sep 2008 - 02:00
Windows 2000 > Windows XP.
#9.2 C_Guy on 17 Sep 2008 - 14:44
Oops! It's pointing the wrong way! Darn it! If only posts could be edited on Neowin!!
#10 scaramonga on 17 Sep 2008 - 01:40
I want my MTV!!!!!!!
(7 replies) #11 TruckWEB on 17 Sep 2008 - 01:48
Is everybody really going nuts about Windows 7 just because of the ribbon bar in Paint and WordPad? Everybody (blog) that had the chance of looking at M3 say it's not that much different from Vista.... So?

And why not just give a bucket load of money to the Paint.NET dev and make it part of Win7 with the ribbonbar? Looking at the screen shoot, does not seem any better... Okay, so it's the first real update to Paint since Windows 3.0, big deal...

I admit that a better WordPad is nice, but really, if you don't want to pay for Office 2007, OpenOffice can do the job.

I'm not excited, not at all.... Windows 7 is shaping up to be a very minor release that could have been a BIG service pack to Vista. Anyway, time will tell.
#11.1 Joshie on 17 Sep 2008 - 01:56
(TruckWEB said @ #11)
I admit that a better WordPad is nice, but really, if you don't want to pay for Office 2007, OpenOffice can do the job.


*snort*

If you just want a better word processor and don't want to pay for Office 2k7, I'd recommend AbiWord years before I'd hate someone enough to recommend OO.o.
#11.2 Mike Frett on 17 Sep 2008 - 02:23
(Joshie said @ #11.1)
(TruckWEB said @ #11)
I admit that a better WordPad is nice, but really, if you don't want to pay for Office 2007, OpenOffice can do the job.


*snort*

If you just want a better word processor and don't want to pay for Office 2k7, I'd recommend AbiWord years before I'd hate someone enough to recommend OO.o.



You can make a Horse snort; but it's still a horse.
#11.3 James Riske on 17 Sep 2008 - 02:40
(Joshie said @ #11.1)
(TruckWEB said @ #11)
I admit that a better WordPad is nice, but really, if you don't want to pay for Office 2007, OpenOffice can do the job.


*snort*

If you just want a better word processor and don't want to pay for Office 2k7, I'd recommend AbiWord years before I'd hate someone enough to recommend OO.o.


I concur, openoffice is just plain horrible, the worst, and I really hate saying that because I would love to see a viable competitor to ANYTHING that the greedy team in redmond can concoct but sadly openoffice doesn't have a prayer.
#11.4 GFree678 on 17 Sep 2008 - 04:18
(James Riske said @ #11.3)
(Joshie said @ #11.1)
(TruckWEB said @ #11)
I admit that a better WordPad is nice, but really, if you don't want to pay for Office 2007, OpenOffice can do the job.


*snort*

If you just want a better word processor and don't want to pay for Office 2k7, I'd recommend AbiWord years before I'd hate someone enough to recommend OO.o.


I concur, openoffice is just plain horrible, the worst, and I really hate saying that because I would love to see a viable competitor to ANYTHING that the greedy team in redmond can concoct but sadly openoffice doesn't have a prayer.

What's wrong with OO? I haven't used it that much (legally own Office 2007) but it seems like a pretty capable package in its own right. I'm sure a lot of people could do productive work with OpenOffice. Depends on your needs though I suppose, but it's the best full-feature desktop package available as an alternative to Office so far.
#11.5 Faisal Islam on 17 Sep 2008 - 08:15
(TruckWEB said @ #1)
Windows 7 is shaping up to be a very minor release that could have been a BIG service pack to Vista. Anyway, time will tell.


So What? General users don't think about that. They want a well burnished, Crash & Bugs free, Speedy & Secure Operation system. minor or major doesn't problem for mass people.
#11.6 Burst404 on 17 Sep 2008 - 15:29
(Faisal Islam said @ #11.5)
(TruckWEB said @ #1)
Windows 7 is shaping up to be a very minor release that could have been a BIG service pack to Vista. Anyway, time will tell.


So What? General users don't think about that. They want a well burnished, Crash & Bugs free, Speedy & Secure Operation system. minor or major doesn't problem for mass people.


BOLD DOESN'T MAKE YOU STAND OUT ENOUGH... TRY CAPS, TOO.
#11.7 [deXter] on 18 Sep 2008 - 07:08
(James Riske said @ #11.3)
(Joshie said @ #11.1)
(TruckWEB said @ #11)
I admit that a better WordPad is nice, but really, if you don't want to pay for Office 2007, OpenOffice can do the job.


*snort*

If you just want a better word processor and don't want to pay for Office 2k7, I'd recommend AbiWord years before I'd hate someone enough to recommend OO.o.


I concur, openoffice is just plain horrible, the worst, and I really hate saying that because I would love to see a viable competitor to ANYTHING that the greedy team in redmond can concoct but sadly openoffice doesn't have a prayer.


I think you didn't try Go-OO?
(1 reply) #12 scaramonga on 17 Sep 2008 - 01:50
Notepad rules!!

........on XP only
#12.1 FrozenEclipse on 17 Sep 2008 - 05:53
"XP" and "rules" don't belong together, unless you make a sentence like "it rules seeing what a piece of **** XP is".
(2 replies) #13 scaramonga on 17 Sep 2008 - 02:04
Lets look forward to Vista SP2 then.
#13.1 James Riske on 17 Sep 2008 - 02:58
(scaramonga said @ #13)
Lets look forward to Vista SP2 then.


Sadly this service pack will not be free.
#13.2 +Kirkburn on 22 Sep 2008 - 10:29
You two do realise how sad it is that you're trying to make everyone think that?

Yes, it looks similar to Vista. That doesn't mean it is Vista. Somehow I don't think you'll ever get that. Until you get to use of it course.

(Of course, I could mention the OS X updates, but that would be far too easy)
(2 replies) #14 Joshie on 17 Sep 2008 - 02:04
Regarding the Home Group thing...

Not that I'm complaining about it, but has anyone noticed that the implementation of activation and one-copy-one-computer becoming absolute seems to have coincided with the sudden push toward a home networking focus and having many computers running Windows within the same household?

That is to say, they're heavily advertising sharing and networking between Windows PCs, all the while requiring us to repurchase copies of Windows for each of those PCs, and both directions seem to have been taken at the same time.

I honestly hope that if MS wants to turn Windows into the staying-connected OS of Bill Gates' vision, they're planning to allow more than one activation per product key at some point soon.
#14.1 scaramonga on 17 Sep 2008 - 02:07
Yawwwwwwwn What?.........sorry I'm listening now
#14.2 excalpius on 20 Sep 2008 - 22:52
Or, perhaps more importantly, allow windows to connect/share to more than 10 machines at a time? That ridiculous proscription (designed to boost Windows Server sales) just doesn't make sense in the modern family home and no family is going to buy and admin ANY version of server just to connect their music collections between their laptops, desktops, phones, PDAs, and TVs...
#15 offroadaaron on 17 Sep 2008 - 03:03
Sorry to bring out Mac in a Windows thread, I like paint but would like it better if it was kinda how Mac use windows, EG the toolbars are seperate from with window that way the tools can be placed on one screen and the picture on another.... anyways its looking much more up-to-date then its looking ATM.
(1 reply) #16 Express on 17 Sep 2008 - 03:16
I can't wait for the beta.
#16.1 scaramonga on 17 Sep 2008 - 03:21
I can't wait for it all to end!
#17 AnthoWin on 17 Sep 2008 - 03:33
MS paint looks beautiful. But please integrate paint.net into paint via an 'advanced' ribbon tab or something like that since it's awesome. And for those complaining about 7 being a VistaSE, you're right- alot of technologies went into Vista and even though the OS was perceived as a failure, it did set new turf for future versions of Windows. Whether it works out well time will tell.
(1 reply) #18 LiqHead on 17 Sep 2008 - 03:57
Enough with the ignorant posts. Vista is AWESOME with SP1! The next version of Windows will have its problems but it will introduce new features (etc.). Just quit with the crap please. TY
#18.1 RDExpress on 18 Sep 2008 - 08:37
Exactly. I personally have XP SP3 still running on my laptop (integrated gfx, you see?) but the experiences of Vista that I have are throughly all pain free (minus a driver issue) and really don't see what all the fuss is about.
#19 LiqHead on 17 Sep 2008 - 03:59
Plus the fact that everyone talked **** about Vista before SP1 came out (ended up fine for me).
(6 replies) #20 scaramonga on 17 Sep 2008 - 04:08
Vista is AWESOME with SP1!


When?........where?


LOL!
#20.1 FrozenEclipse on 17 Sep 2008 - 05:48
Look who's trying to be cute and clever. XP fanboys are the worst of the worst.
#20.2 bush on 17 Sep 2008 - 06:28
even worse than linux and mac boys.
#20.3 offroadaaron on 17 Sep 2008 - 06:44
(bush said @ #20.2)
even worse than linux and mac boys.


not admitting that something is bad is the first sign of weekness.
#20.4 GP007 on 17 Sep 2008 - 07:06
(offroadaaron said @ #20.3)
(bush said @ #20.2)
even worse than linux and mac boys.


not admitting that something is bad is the first sign of weekness.


Bad in this sense is a matter of opinion. You could say you don't like it, fine, but keep posting uselessness all over the place just makes you look stupid. There is a line between voicing your objective opinion and then just sounding like a idiot.
#20.5 Faisal Islam on 17 Sep 2008 - 08:03
(scaramonga said @ #20)
Vista is AWESOME with SP1!


When?........where?


LOL!


Q: When?
Ans.: After releasing Windows Vista SP1

Q: Where?
Ans.: On a PC with a Core 2 Duo CPU or higher, 2GB or more RAM, SATA HDD & a good AGP. I think u don't have those that's why u asked those questions. Dear, plz meet with Windows Vista recommend hardware requirements & thn comments.
#20.6 offroadaaron on 17 Sep 2008 - 14:29
(GP007 said @ #20.4)
(offroadaaron said @ #20.3)
(bush said @ #20.2)
even worse than linux and mac boys.


not admitting that something is bad is the first sign of weekness.


Bad in this sense is a matter of opinion. You could say you don't like it, fine, but keep posting uselessness all over the place just makes you look stupid. There is a line between voicing your objective opinion and then just sounding like a idiot.


and calling someone an idiot for the sake of it doesn't make you look smart either.

here is a picture for you http://i29.tinypic.com/10gidzr.jpg

Last edited by offroadaaron on 18 Sep 2008 - 01:34
#21 ixrousis on 17 Sep 2008 - 07:07
Good work guys this article was about two refreshed windows features and you still don't miss a chance to argue about which is the better OS, XP or Vista. Well i have news for you: I don't care which one is the best. XP is dead vista is the new Windows OS now. Deal with it!
#22 stevehoot on 17 Sep 2008 - 07:16
Modular core, VHD support built-in, GUI updates, new versions of Paint/Wordpad etc, new terminal (PowerShell)

Seems like enough changes to justify calling it a new version of Windows. Although its somewhat ironic to see a lot of the XP fans who didn't like the major changes in Vista to start saying that Windows 7 doesn't have enough new changes.....?!
(2 replies) #23 +Sethos on 17 Sep 2008 - 07:22
"along with rewritten versions of MS Paint, Calculator, and Word Pad."


OMGWTFBBQ!!!!
#23.1 brent3000 on 17 Sep 2008 - 07:54
my .bmp files and .rtf files wont be computable any more how sad...
#23.2 Skyfrog on 17 Sep 2008 - 16:01
Why would you think the new Paint wouldn't open .bmp files?
#24 afusion on 17 Sep 2008 - 08:07
Is Windows 7 really being released in mid 2009?
#25 Glendi on 17 Sep 2008 - 10:56
Windows 7 might really be good. Anyway, ignore fanboys and let them do their job... who cares.
(2 replies) #26 mocax on 17 Sep 2008 - 14:17
Windows 7 will break half the apps written before 2008, and devices bought before 3rd quarter of 2008 will not work until drivers are available 6 months after the OS's release.

Then the good feeling toward the OS will turn sour.... real sour.....

Of course, there's a chance that I'm wrong and Microsoft miraculously make all my Win16 and DOS apps work again.

On 2nd thought, maybe there's a very high chance of that happening, with the new fangled virtualization mambo jambo thingy they're touting.
#26.1 seb5150 on 17 Sep 2008 - 17:35
(mocax said @ #26)
Windows 7 will break half the apps written before 2008, and devices bought before 3rd quarter of 2008 will not work until drivers are available 6 months after the OS's release.Then the good feeling toward the OS will turn sour.... real sour.....

Of course, there's a chance that I'm wrong and Microsoft miraculously make all my Win16 and DOS apps work again.

On 2nd thought, maybe there's a very high chance of that happening, with the new fangled virtualization mambo jambo thingy they're touting.


Not true. MS has already stated that they are not changing the driver model in Win7, they learned their lessons with Vista.
#26.2 +zachdms on 18 Sep 2008 - 11:04
And what Win16 and DOS apps are you still running at this late stage that don't work under WOW32? Point of sale software? Or are you trying to use a 64bit system to use 16bit software?
#27 hardgiant on 17 Sep 2008 - 22:50
Windows 7 is looking like Windows Vista Second Edition which is all I figured they could do with what they had.

I just hope it's faster then vista....
#28 unkle stu on 19 Sep 2008 - 04:33
good lord.. as if bryant needed an excuse for his ego to get bigger
#29 booka on 19 Sep 2008 - 09:57
I have to admit, so far, with what Microsoft has let the testers share with the internet is pretty uneventful. It's like, "Oh... and what else?"

But it's all part of the plan. The testers want to share more of what's in Windows 7 but they are not allowed to. Let's just wait and see what Microsoft has to offer during PDC, and after we play around with the beta, THEN we can either start talking **** or praise Windows 7. Geez.

Let's see if Microsoft learned anything through Vista.

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