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Michael Stanclift   on 18 September 2008 - 15:41 · 61 comments & 25343 views

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Microsoft has decided to dump Jerry Seinfeld in its $300 million dollar ad campaign, with Microsoft saying it was the plan all along. In it's place? A new "I'm a PC" response to the now famous "I'm a Mac" ads from Apple.

Reaction to the first set of ads has been mixed. Some industry analysts have said that Microsoft was basically throwing away their money and that the company should be directly attacking Apple and the Mac. Others have been more positive saying that the ads were humorous and that their purpose was less about showing off Windows and more about laying the groundwork for humanizing the company and its chairman.

The new campaign, set to start today, will still carry the "Windows, Life without Walls" idea that Microsoft has been talking about for a while. One of the new spots will feature a company engineer who closely resembles John Hodgman, the comedian who plays the PC in Apple's campaign. “Hello, I’m a PC,” the engineer says, echoing Mr. Hodgman’s recurring line, “and I’ve been made into a stereotype.”

Updated: Gizmodo is reporting that a source at Crispin Porter, the ad firm behind Microsoft's latest blitz, has said that the Seinfield-Gates ads are not cancelled, however, Microsoft did request that the "I'm a PC" spots become the new focus. They're saying "Crispin Porter has another completed spot featuring the lovable, affluent couple in the can, ready to air (even though it won't quite yet)."


60 other Microsoft employees will also be featured in the ads, including their email addresses. The new ads will also feature Bill Gates, actress Eva Longoria, author Deepak Chopra and singer Pharrell Williams. It's not clear if Seinfeld will be back for any future ads, but the company left the option open.

But the real focus of the new ads will be regular users. Scientists, fashion designers, shark hunters and teachers, all bursting with pride to say "I'm a PC." Thursday night, visitors to windows.com will be able to upload video clips and photographs demonstrating how they, too, are PCs. The user contributed content may be used in future Microsoft ads.

Will this new campaign serve to help build trust in the company and their products, or has too much damage been done by the months of unanswered hammering by Apple? The "I'm a Mac" ads have done their job, there is no questioning that. Recent reports have put Apple's market share near 10% of the personal computer market. Will these new ads from Microsoft significantly put a dent in that share? Probably not, but it may help stop the bleeding.

Currently, windows.com still features the last Seinfeld-Gates ad.

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What did you think of the Seinfield ads?
  • Brilliant!
     37
  • They were OK, but lacked substance.
     34
  • Didn't really see the point.
     21
  • A waste of $300m.
     34
  • Never saw them.
     6
Total votes: 132
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(3 replies) #1 vetMarshalus on 18 Sep 2008 - 15:45
I'm personally a little disappointed, I thought the new ads were really good, especially the most recent one.
#1.1 theyarecomingforyou on 18 Sep 2008 - 17:36
+1
#1.2 RAID 0 on 18 Sep 2008 - 18:08
Agreed.
#1.3 +ispamforfood on 19 Sep 2008 - 11:19
So did I. It was classic seinfeld humor. I guess that's what happens when you try to push sophisticated humor on the unsophisticated general public. Stupid Americans.... (I'm allowed to say that, I was born here hehe)
(1 reply) #2 +xiphi on 18 Sep 2008 - 15:47
Nice way to post a sensationalist title.
#2.1 Majesticmerc on 18 Sep 2008 - 18:37
(1 reply) #3 PowerOutageBaby on 18 Sep 2008 - 15:48
I still surprised Microsoft are so US centric with this. Apple advertise worldwide.
#3.1 teka on 18 Sep 2008 - 19:16
(PowerOutageBaby said @ #3)
I still surprised Microsoft are so US centric with this. Apple advertise worldwide.


Oh you poor little baby. Apple DOES NOT EXIST worldwide. MS don't need to put any effort on that right now.

Thake a look at this C|NET article published on July:

"Apple's worldwide share is far lower than its domestic one. Despite Apple's U.S. gains, its worldwide market share was 3.3 percent in the second quarter, according to IDC. That's down slightly from last quarter"

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-9992688-56.html
(1 reply) #4 Bri- on 18 Sep 2008 - 15:48
I thought the ads were pointless and I never liked Seinfeld to begin with. But I will say I chuckled a bit while watching someone like Bill Gates dealing with "normal" stress. I guess it just kind of took him off his so-called pedistal for a bit and made him seem more human.
#4.1 vetmarkjensen on 18 Sep 2008 - 18:06
I have heard that, in-person, he is pretty down-to-earth. Business-wise he is shrewd, and so people tend to think that coincides with having an attitude. But look at the way he calmly reacted and joked when his demo of Win98 BSOD'd at COMDEX.

But my perception of him comes from second- and third-hand word of mouth. Just like yours, probably.
#5 dhan on 18 Sep 2008 - 15:53
He was not booted. Read the thread in breaking news
#6 micro on 18 Sep 2008 - 15:58
He was not booted... Horrible title...
(1 reply) #7 GreyWolfSC on 18 Sep 2008 - 16:37
Can we get an outrageously-titled news post every time Apple changes their commercial too?
#7.1 Scutley on 18 Sep 2008 - 16:45
(GreyWolfSC said @ #7)
Can we get an outrageously-titled news post every time Apple changes their commercial too?


This just proves how big Mcrosoft is compared to Apple
#8 Scutley on 18 Sep 2008 - 16:45
the Apple commercials are old as well. Both compaines need to come up with better commercials and attack each other.

Also don't they post when Apple comes out with a new line of commercials here?
(10 replies) #9 rdmiller on 18 Sep 2008 - 16:50
So now Microsoft is going to take "credit" for anything that is wrong with any PC anywhere in the Windows ecosystem? The last thing Microsoft needs to do is boast about the current sorry state of the PC.
#9.1 phiberoptik on 18 Sep 2008 - 17:26
Sorry state of the PC? PCs have like an 80% market share, and Apples have like 5%...
#9.2 AnthoWin on 18 Sep 2008 - 17:59
(phiberoptik said @ #9.1)
Sorry state of the PC? PCs have like an 80% market share, and Apples have like 5%...


..And growing steadily.

PC's success is due to the boom MS had in the 90s. Apple really have picked up their game from their post bankruptcy status into worldwide recognition and who knows whether they can overthrow PC in the next decade (or whether MS can take advantage of it's massive userbase)
#9.3 rdmiller on 18 Sep 2008 - 18:35
(phiberoptik said @ #9.1)
Sorry state of the PC? PCs have like an 80% market share, and Apples have like 5%...


And every PC is preloaded with 2.5 lbs of crapware!

The only way for Microsoft to truly compete with Apple is to make their own hardware. Mice and keyboards just don't make it.
#9.4 +techbeck on 18 Sep 2008 - 18:51
(rdmiller said @ #9.3)
(phiberoptik said @ #9.1)
Sorry state of the PC? PCs have like an 80% market share, and Apples have like 5%...


And every PC is preloaded with 2.5 lbs of crapware!

The only way for Microsoft to truly compete with Apple is to make their own hardware. Mice and keyboards just don't make it.


Microsoft is not competing with Apple as they are not even in the same market or have close to the same market share. One of the reasons PCs are more popular than Apple is the ability for users to build their own. If MS made their own proprietary hardware to run their OS, then the prices would be jacked up WAY high. If MS to really be competing with Apple, Apple would have to have a way bigger market share than what they currently have.

And not all PCs are loaded with crapware. PC makers have the option to not have the crapware loaded when the PC is build. Hell, you can order PCs these days with the hardrive BLANK and you install the OS yourself.
#9.5 zeke009 on 18 Sep 2008 - 19:12
(rdmiller said @ #9.3)
(phiberoptik said @ #9.1)
Sorry state of the PC? PCs have like an 80% market share, and Apples have like 5%...


And every PC is preloaded with 2.5 lbs of crapware!

The only way for Microsoft to truly compete with Apple is to make their own hardware. Mice and keyboards just don't make it.
No, they need to stop Dell, HP, Lenovo and every other OEM/Retailer who preloads new PC's with ****. Instead of offering bloated apps like Norton, they should just load the PC's with free versions of Avast or some other AV software.

I know so many people who don't ever buy the trial and just "let it go". We know where that leads, right in to Apple's snobby little commercials about frustrated users (of their own ignorance/doing).
#9.6 +techbeck on 18 Sep 2008 - 19:16
(zeke009 said @ #9.5)
(rdmiller said @ #9.3)
(phiberoptik said @ #9.1)
Sorry state of the PC? PCs have like an 80% market share, and Apples have like 5%...


And every PC is preloaded with 2.5 lbs of crapware!

The only way for Microsoft to truly compete with Apple is to make their own hardware. Mice and keyboards just don't make it.
No, they need to stop Dell, HP, Lenovo and every other OEM/Retailer who preloads new PC's with ****. Instead of offering bloated apps like Norton, they should just load the PC's with free versions of Avast or some other AV software.

I know so many people who don't ever buy the trial and just "let it go". We know where that leads, right in to Apple's snobby little commercials about frustrated users (of their own ignorance/doing).


Think about the Users point of view.....

You are a PC novice and you buy a new system. The system does not come with a trial or full version of antivirus. Do you really think a novice will be smart enough to figure out they need antivirus and go buy and install it? I think it is a good idea to preload antivirus programs, but I would choose something besides Norton or McAfee. They were good back in the day...now they are both resource hogs.
#9.7 ivanz on 19 Sep 2008 - 00:01
Apple = Standard x86 PC.
#9.8 RangerLG on 19 Sep 2008 - 04:06
Those trial programs supplement the cost of the PC. Having that stuff loaded is the way OEMs can offer a full featured PC for $300 to $400. That is also the first stuff to go when I clean up someone's PC.
#9.9 Mark_M on 20 Sep 2008 - 06:34
(AnthoWin said @ #9.2)
(phiberoptik said @ #9.1)
Sorry state of the PC? PCs have like an 80% market share, and Apples have like 5%...


..And growing steadily.

PC's success is due to the boom MS had in the 90s. Apple really have picked up their game from their post bankruptcy status into worldwide recognition and who knows whether they can overthrow PC in the next decade (or whether MS can take advantage of it's massive userbase)


The PC's success is due to the historic availability of business-focused applications and network integration. Even today, versions of MS-Office, workgroup collaboration, CRM, and database/application development tools for Mac lag behind those for Windows. On top of which, businesses can continue to upgrade their existing software at a much lower cost than replacing it with Mac versions -- if replacements even exist. Add to this the investment made in custom applications, even if designed in languages that are supposedly "platform independent." And let's not forget that Apple has forsaken backwards-compatibility several times over the history of the Mac, something that Microsoft has generally avoided (yes, you can still run many of the 16-bit applications written for Windows 98 under 32-bit Vista).

So, yes, Microsoft's dominance does hail back to the '90s, when "Windows-compatible" became more important than "IBM-compatible." But really, Microsoft's dominance is really the evolution of IBM's dominance in the '80s, which is ironic since IBM no longer even markets PCs. Apple has never been able to break that business tie-in to the PC and then Windows, except in niche markets. And what business does, most home users will follow, because of comfort level with the environment, access to free/cheap software (copies from work, sometimes subsidized by the employer, but often pirated), and the availability of support.

This is a huge obstacle for Apple to overcome, whether you believe their platform is better than PC/Windows or not. A business might be willing to pay the extra 20% for a better, more reliable platform, but not willing to go through the cost of completely replacing or porting all their software to Mac. And while you can run many Windows programs virtualized within OS/X, or via Remote Desktop to a Windows terminal server, or even use Boot Camp to run Windows natively, none of these are really satisfactory business solutions for the general public.
#9.10 Mark_M on 20 Sep 2008 - 06:39
(zeke009 said @ #9.5)
(rdmiller said @ #9.3)
(phiberoptik said @ #9.1)
Sorry state of the PC? PCs have like an 80% market share, and Apples have like 5%...


And every PC is preloaded with 2.5 lbs of crapware!

The only way for Microsoft to truly compete with Apple is to make their own hardware. Mice and keyboards just don't make it.
No, they need to stop Dell, HP, Lenovo and every other OEM/Retailer who preloads new PC's with ****. Instead of offering bloated apps like Norton, they should just load the PC's with free versions of Avast or some other AV software.

I know so many people who don't ever buy the trial and just "let it go". We know where that leads, right in to Apple's snobby little commercials about frustrated users (of their own ignorance/doing).

As part of the US anti-trust settlement, Microsoft is not permitted to dictate to manufacturers what additional software can be pre-installed, what desktop icons are initially presented, or even what web browser or media player is the user default. So, basically, you can blame the US government for all the crapware.
(1 reply) #10 +Shadrack on 18 Sep 2008 - 16:59
I like the idea of the new ads, actually. Being a fan of Seinfeld, the Seinfeld ads were a real let down.
#10.1 Mark_M on 20 Sep 2008 - 06:35
I must be dumb, because I watched that shoe-store ad three or four times and I still can't say I understand how it has anything to do with Windows.
(4 replies) #11 Mkvos on 18 Sep 2008 - 17:26
"Windows, Life without Walls"


In Windows? Not possible. You need a firewall if you're running Windows
#11.1 AnthoWin on 18 Sep 2008 - 17:55
(Mkvos said @ #11)
"Windows, Life without Walls"


In Windows? Not possible. You need a firewall if you're running Windows


NICE!
#11.2 RAID 0 on 18 Sep 2008 - 18:04
That's why Apple left a firewall out of OS X. Right?
#11.3 +techbeck on 18 Sep 2008 - 18:55
(Mkvos said @ #11)
"Windows, Life without Walls"


In Windows? Not possible. You need a firewall if you're running Windows


You need a firewall in Apple as well. If you dont have one, whether it be hardware or software based, then you are not very smart. And no, I am not insulting you...just making a general statement.

Apple users always say "I dont need antivirus"...or..."i dont need a firewall". This is just plain false. Yea, Apples are not attacked nearly as often as PCs, but their day is coming and they can be hacked just as easily as Windows if not easier. This will be proven as their market share grows. Hell, as soon as they got the 3rd computer maker title in the US there were more stories and articles about them being hacked/attacked more.
#11.4 Mkvos on 18 Sep 2008 - 22:26
(techbeck said @ #11.3)
(Mkvos said @ #11)
"Windows, Life without Walls"


In Windows? Not possible. You need a firewall if you're running Windows


You need a firewall in Apple as well. If you dont have one, whether it be hardware or software based, then you are not very smart. And no, I am not insulting you...just making a general statement.

Apple users always say "I dont need antivirus"...or..."i dont need a firewall". This is just plain false. Yea, Apples are not attacked nearly as often as PCs, but their day is coming and they can be hacked just as easily as Windows if not easier. This will be proven as their market share grows. Hell, as soon as they got the 3rd computer maker title in the US there were more stories and articles about them being hacked/attacked more.


... Was just a joke
#12 PsykX on 18 Sep 2008 - 17:29
These ads were the most horrible I've seen in years.
And they were long, I don't know if they were supposed to be on TV (why make video ads if it's not for this?) just broadcasting one of these ad would have cost a LOT.
(1 reply) #13 C++ on 18 Sep 2008 - 17:38
Marshalus, please stop posting titles that make it seem like you got most of your experience writing for The Inquirer. "Seinfeld booted from new Microsoft ads" sounds as if he was caught molesting an adolescent girl on the set.

There are a more than enough ways to title an article like this in an interesting way without resorting to sensationalism. "Microsoft re-considers commercials about nothing strategy," for example.
#13.1 RAID 0 on 18 Sep 2008 - 18:07
Yeah, the title was a bit... much. I was thinking something crazy happened to make MS want to boot one of the most popular people in the world. Then I read the article.

Anywho, I'm interested in what MS can come up with to combat all the adds thrown their way. I did like the commercials with Jerry, though.
#14 selphj on 18 Sep 2008 - 18:02
We should have had an article years ago that said "Reality booted from Apple ads"
#15 Lt-DavidW on 18 Sep 2008 - 18:08
No, it's not April...
#16 justlooking on 18 Sep 2008 - 18:19
This campaign is a waste of $300 million. Everyone knows Gates is human, he's thought of as a guy who looks like a geek. When copying something occasionally takes 5x as long as it should, or Windows Explorer doesn't keep it's settings, maybe the $$ would be better spent fixing the holes in Vista.
#17 ksalter on 18 Sep 2008 - 18:22
Deepak Chopra? You've go to be kidding... obviously appealing to the majority of Americans, not the small minority of rational thinkers, though I suspect those are already using something other than a Microsoft OS
#18 C++ on 18 Sep 2008 - 18:33
Latest story: Gates and Seinfeld Ads NOT Canceled!

http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=671286

Coming up next: C++ for Neowin news team...
#19 +techbeck on 18 Sep 2008 - 18:47
A good company does not have to attack others in their ads. Microsoft has never attacked anyone in their ads, as far as I am aware of. I will be VERY disappointed in MS if they go as low as Apple did in the current ads.
(2 replies) #21 _dandy_ on 18 Sep 2008 - 21:13
> the company should be directly attacking Apple and the Mac

Why? If the point is to promote Vista, then there's no reason to sink to Apple's level and "attack" them.

The reality is that XP is Vista's main competitor, not Apple, and not Linux. That's all there is to it. Seriously.
#21.1 +Xerxes on 18 Sep 2008 - 23:28
Why do people keep saying "sink to Apple's level" for? It's not OSX that has the bad reputation, MS are already at the bottom because of Vista. All Apple have done is taken advantage of the mess caused by Vista to gain themselves some marketshare and it's working great for them. While Vista isn't the big pile of crap everyone makes it out to be, it's going to take more then attacking Apple to change peoples view of it...
#21.2 Doli on 19 Sep 2008 - 04:14
(Xerxes said @ #21.1)
Why do people keep saying "sink to Apple's level" for? It's not OSX that has the bad reputation, MS are already at the bottom because of Vista. All Apple have done is taken advantage of the mess caused by Vista to gain themselves some marketshare and it's working great for them. While Vista isn't the big pile of crap everyone makes it out to be, it's going to take more then attacking Apple to change peoples view of it...


Sink to Apples level by bashing Vista with lies.
#22 .Kompressor on 18 Sep 2008 - 21:18


The seinfeld ones with Gates was pretty cool IMO.

I don't think I'm gonna like the "I'm a PC" ones because they sound like a copy of Apple's idea which only makes Microsoft confirm that's how they compete by taking someone else's idea instead of coming up with their own original ideas.

jeezz your the biggest tech company around...paying people millions per year....can't you hire the right people to generate original ideas ? even in their OS development its the same thing.

Fire some of the MIT guys in your thinktank, design and marketing depts and get real creative minds MS.
#23 Magallanes on 18 Sep 2008 - 21:30
Lol, those ADS are down and MS is trying to apply a "service pack".
#24 Gabe3 on 18 Sep 2008 - 21:39
the story is updated.
(1 reply) #25 GFree678 on 18 Sep 2008 - 22:50
Penny Arcade summarizes my opinion of the ads rather well:



Last edited by John S. on 19 Sep 2008 - 14:18
#25.1 ]SK[ on 19 Sep 2008 - 05:54
(GFree678 said @ #25)
Penny Arcade summarizes my opinion of the ads rather well:


I agree. Pointless crap. Seinfeld isn't funny.
#26 perochan on 18 Sep 2008 - 23:28
lol. i knew it in the beginning that the Seinfeld + Gates ads was gonna be a failure.
#27 xSuRgEx on 19 Sep 2008 - 00:04
$300 million wasted on stupid ad's cant Ms think of better things to spend its money on?
#28 jesseinsf on 19 Sep 2008 - 00:54
Guys....those ads are not a failure. Check out the source of the article.
#29 Airlink on 19 Sep 2008 - 01:06
But the real focus of the new ads will be regular users.... shark hunters.
WTF?
(1 reply) #30 ibetheone on 19 Sep 2008 - 02:54
http://gizmodo.com/5052051/microsofts-im-a...n?autoplay=true

Check out the new the "I'm a PC" videos there on that link, me personally I thought it was a lot better than the ones with jerry, this new one is a lot funnier and when i saw that shark guy in that tank and he flipped his sign around i laughed not to mention a couple people in there saying i wear glasses and im a pc gave me a chuckle as well...anyways a much better improvement from ms
#30.1 ]SK[ on 19 Sep 2008 - 05:56
+1
#31 atari800 on 19 Sep 2008 - 11:54
I hope that the ads get funnier - like this PC vs Mac video
#32 LTD on 19 Sep 2008 - 23:22
Too little, too late.
#33 Mark_M on 20 Sep 2008 - 07:05
I think the most effective ad so far was the Mojave Experiment. I think it shows that if people approach Vista with an open mind, free from the taint of all the negative press its received -- perhaps justifiably -- in the past, that the "average user" enjoys the experience.

I'll admit I was a Vista-basher for a long time. But I recently reloaded my main home computer (Athlon 64 6400, 4GB, Radeon 8500) with Vista Ultimate SP1 and I'm quite happy with the system. The more I work with Vista, the more I like it, and I'm content for now to sacrifice a little raw performance for the more pleasant overall environment.

I think that Microsoft should focus on ads along the Mojave Experiment theme, and then invest more time and effort into fixing the remaining items that cause complaints about Vista: performance, game compatibility and User Account Control. As for the latter, I don't think UAC is all that useful of a feature. It is trivial for a program to install itself in your user profile folder, bypassing the UAC protection. I also think there should be only three versions of Vista: Home, Business and Ultimate, and there should be significant price cuts across the board. Ultimate is the version MS should be pushing, but the almost $300 price tag -- $200 for upgrade -- is more than most people are willing to pay to try Vista. But if you don't get Ultimate, you miss many of the features that make Vista such a pleasant environment.

PS, to some extent, the game compatibility issue can be attributed to the game developers themselves. But that's a whole other topic.

Last edited by Mark_M on 20 Sep 2008 - 07:11
#34 LTD on 22 Sep 2008 - 02:35
Any response (way too late) or counter-campaign by MS will be viewed as damage control.

This whole marketing campaign, yet again taking cues from its leaner, meaner rival, is another catch-up attempt. It lacks creativity and is way too transparent to have any meaning. Again, MS is arriving late to the party.

The Mojave experiment . . . marketing that suggests all the bad press about Vista is not justified. Yet The way it's done manages to suggest the opposite! The very insinuation that Vista isn't so bad and that users should give it "another chance", already implies that there is something wrong with it in the first place. "whoa, THAT'S Vista??" Well, why wasn't it THAT in the first place?? Are they trying to sell the product on its own merits (problematic up to now), or are they trying to convince people to buy (really bad strategy.)

MS' whole marketing scheme is ****ed up. A few convoluted Seinfeld spots, right into an obvious PC vs Mac copycat attempt. Yeah, I'm already calling it, and if/when I'm wrong, everyone can take their shots at me.

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