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Horrocks   on 25 September 2008 - 16:50 · 52 comments & 23959 views

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Chinese officials are calling for a mass migration to IPv6 after disclosing that they have only 830 days' worth of IPv4 resources left.

The disclosure was made by Li Kai, director of IP of the China Internet Network Information Center.

Li explained at a conference that, without a rapid changeover to IPv6, internet users in China will start having problems getting online.

"We held seminars almost everywhere to tell operators to apply for the remaining IP addresses as soon as possible, and to prepare the new IP addresses from IPv6 for internet users," he said, according to state media.

Around 80 per cent of China's IPv4 resources have now been taken up. The country's IP allocation recently exceeded Japan's, making it the second largest in the world behind the US.

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#1 vetneufuse on 25 Sep 2008 - 16:52
I'm sorry but I am getting so sick of these cries saying were running out! so fix the darn problem and stop whineing... you have the technology, its been out for years now, just start to deploy it already in mass
#2 GreyWolfSC on 25 Sep 2008 - 16:54
Waah! Cut down on the gold and character farming in WoW and you'll free up at least a few million IP addresses.
(1 reply) #3 XeonBuilder on 25 Sep 2008 - 16:55
They need to stop "deploying" kids!!!
#3.1 ricknl on 25 Sep 2008 - 20:05
It is India who has that problem not China.
(3 replies) #4 Examinus on 25 Sep 2008 - 17:17
Why hasn't the US run out yet?
#4.1 SerbInside on 25 Sep 2008 - 17:23
Cause they're US? LOL!
#4.2 Magallanes on 25 Sep 2008 - 18:41
Because the range of ip was shared in proportion to the estimate number of user per country and per global distribution, USA did take several ranges of ip (some sort of "my ball,my yard my rules".



#4.3 chooser on 28 Sep 2008 - 22:27
(Magallanes said @ #4.2)
Because the range of ip was shared in proportion to the estimate number of user per country and per global distribution, USA did take several ranges of ip (some sort of "my ball,my yard my rules".


Hehe my tubes work fine...
(2 replies) #5 g0wg on 25 Sep 2008 - 17:43
can't ISPs deploy IPv6 for their clients and bridge the IPv6 network with the IPv4 one of the internet?
#5.1 Julius Caro on 25 Sep 2008 - 17:48
they still wouldn't be uniquely identifiable in the ipv4 world ^, I s'pose.

ipv4 and ipv6 are different networks so it's not just a matter of connecting new people to the ipv6 backbones
#5.2 The_Decryptor on 27 Sep 2008 - 04:41
Yeah, they can do that, it's the only way at the moment to get IPv6 on a IPv4 network.

I can enable IPv6 on my network (And give each system a public IPv6 address), but I have to tunnel the IPv6 packets over v4 packets to a host that has both v4 and v6 access (and it forwards my v6 packets over the v6 network and sends the v6 responses back to me tunneled through v4). If my ISP offered v6, I would just have to enable it on my router and it'd pick up the routing.
#6 +warwagon on 25 Sep 2008 - 18:34
Tell people to buy more routers and cross their legs!.
(5 replies) #7 CentralDogma on 25 Sep 2008 - 18:41
Tell the Chinese goverment to buy some routers and upgrated their network. ipv6 is unnecessary.
#7.1 +mad_onion on 25 Sep 2008 - 18:49
the world is going to have to upgrade to ipv6 eventually. they might as well do it now. ipv6 is far from useless if you value being able to access the internet that is...
#7.2 CentralDogma on 25 Sep 2008 - 20:06
(mad_onion said @ #7.1)
the world is going to have to upgrade to ipv6 eventually. they might as well do it now. ipv6 is far from useless if you value being able to access the internet that is...
Like I said, the answer is in upgrading the network using routers and related technologies. Originally it was meant as an interim solution for the shrinking number of IP addresses, but I see no reason why it can't be THE solution. As things are now, I don’t see any need for ipv6 and I see the transition being more trouble than it's worth. In fact, considering how businesses have reacted to others changes in the IT sector (see how much code is still in Fortran), I don’t see this as anything more than a pipe dream.
#7.3 Kushan on 25 Sep 2008 - 20:43
(CentralDogma said @ #7)
Tell the Chinese goverment to buy some routers and upgrated their network. ipv6 is unnecessary.


How are new routers going to create more addresses? It's not like older routers can't count up to 255.255.255.255, the only thing I think you believe newer routers can do is use NAT to share the same addresses between multiple clients, which would only be a short-term solution fraught with problems (NTL used to do a somewhat similar thing and it caused all sorts of grief with people). You don't see a problem because you don't live in a country that's fast running out of addresses.
IPv6 IS the future and it's not just IPv4 with more addresses, it's a whole new technology that's faster and more secure. In fact, the extra addresses are merely a side-effect of the whole thing. All commercial networking equipment for about the last 5 years has been IPv6 compatible, it's the home-grade stuff that needs to be upgraded and that's the reason ISPs are so reluctant to do it.
#7.4 MioTheGreat on 26 Sep 2008 - 16:15
(CentralDogma said @ #7)
Tell the Chinese goverment to buy some routers and upgrated their network. ipv6 is unnecessary.


I, for one, would be pretty ****ed off if my ISP gave me an address that was NATed with other people.
#7.5 The_Decryptor on 27 Sep 2008 - 04:52
Just throwing NAT's at it is a unworkable solution, i.e. it wouldn't work.

Each time you pass through a NAT, it wraps your packet, packets can only get so large and after enough NAT's, your packet would be too large. and we'd have to run a whole bunch of NAT's to keep up with expansion for the next 20-30 years.
(2 replies) #8 rajputwarrior on 25 Sep 2008 - 18:43
man ipv6 ips are going to be hard to memorize...
#8.1 dragon2611 on 25 Sep 2008 - 18:52
Use DNS that's what it was invented for after all
Stop people having to remember IP's
#8.2 +mad_onion on 25 Sep 2008 - 18:53
while it won't be as easy as ipv4 i was under the impression that many of the middle groups will just be 0 and you will be able to omit them with a double colon.
(3 replies) #9 vetSHoTTa35 on 25 Sep 2008 - 19:37
2001:0:4137:9e50:1cd6:39ac:bbad:85bd

that's an IPv6 adress right? I'm using Vista and my router is IPv6 enabled. That would certainly add a bunch more IPs to the table, i guess we should have at least 30 for every person on earth after that.
#9.1 Kushan on 25 Sep 2008 - 20:46
(SHoTTa35 said @ #9)
2001:0:4137:9e50:1cd6:39ac:bbad:85bd

that's an IPv6 adress right? I'm using Vista and my router is IPv6 enabled. That would certainly add a bunch more IPs to the table, i guess we should have at least 30 for every person on earth after that.


It's a lot more than that, it's approximately 39,614,081,257,132,168,796,771,975,168 addresses for every single person alive today
#9.2 unksi on 25 Sep 2008 - 20:47
Actually, according to Wikipedia, IPv6 has 2^128 addresses, which is roughly 2^95 addresses for every single person. That should be enough for a few years
#9.3 Kushan on 25 Sep 2008 - 22:13
(unksi said @ #9.2)
Actually, according to Wikipedia, IPv6 has 2^128 addresses, which is roughly 2^95 addresses for every single person. That should be enough for a few years


2^95 = 39,614,081,257,132,168,796,771,975,168. That's per PERSON, so that times 6,500,000,000 is the total number of addresses. w00t!
(5 replies) #10 Rudy on 25 Sep 2008 - 19:55
They should make an easy to block list so I can block all of china in one shot..... They keep spamming
#10.1 ]SK[ on 25 Sep 2008 - 20:52
I want to shoot people for actually buying from spammers.
#10.2 RAINMAN on 26 Sep 2008 - 01:15
actually most of the spam comes from the USA.
#10.3 Rudy on 26 Sep 2008 - 03:16
(RAINMAN said @ #10.2)
actually most of the spam comes from the USA.
all the spammers on my website come from china
#10.4 Tikitiki on 26 Sep 2008 - 03:44
(Rudy said @ #10.3)
(RAINMAN said @ #10.2)
actually most of the spam comes from the USA.
all the spammers on my website come from china


I spam myself. It makes me feel better when I get opportunities to make my mid-section organ bigger.
#10.5 ]SK[ on 26 Sep 2008 - 08:48
(RAINMAN said @ #10.2)
actually most of the spam comes from the USA.


and aimed at the American market, tells us something about who's buying from these people
(2 replies) #11 +shinji257 on 26 Sep 2008 - 00:00
I have already taken steps to start getting ready. I got a IPv6 subnet (a /64 one -- big! and a IPv6 capable router. I also have IPv6 installed on my computers within the network so they are ready. I then got a IPv6 tunnel broker to get me connected to the IPv6 internet. Are you ready for the future? I know I am.

P.S. - When it is time then it is just a settings change on my router to match ISP settings.
#11.1 Kushan on 26 Sep 2008 - 02:42
(shinji257 said @ #11)
I have already taken steps to start getting ready. I got a IPv6 subnet (a /64 one -- big! and a IPv6 capable router. I also have IPv6 installed on my computers within the network so they are ready. I then got a IPv6 tunnel broker to get me connected to the IPv6 internet. Are you ready for the future? I know I am.

P.S. - When it is time then it is just a settings change on my router to match ISP settings.


What about your modem?
#11.2 +shinji257 on 26 Sep 2008 - 05:27
(Kushan said @ #11.1)
(shinji257 said @ #11)
I have already taken steps to start getting ready. I got a IPv6 subnet (a /64 one -- big! and a IPv6 capable router. I also have IPv6 installed on my computers within the network so they are ready. I then got a IPv6 tunnel broker to get me connected to the IPv6 internet. Are you ready for the future? I know I am.

P.S. - When it is time then it is just a settings change on my router to match ISP settings.


What about your modem?


My modem is bridged so it isn't affecting IPv6 for me. I have verified that I have IPv6 connectivity and I left my router externally pingable. I need it that way because my tunnel broker does a ping weekly to make sure that the my endpoint is still active and gives me points when I do. It is also logged. If it breaks then I will know.

P.S. I will also know because ipv6.google.com doesn't connect on a IPv4 only network.
(1 reply) #12 ncc50446 on 26 Sep 2008 - 02:14
From a programmers point of view, when using php, is it the same command to get an IPv6 IP as it is to get a IPv4 IP?
#12.1 Tikitiki on 26 Sep 2008 - 03:42
Depending on your application you may or may not need to update it - IPv6 uses colons instead of dots for starters. Not to mention it's hexadecimal and there are six of them.

The docs may be out-of-date but php.net/ip2long reads "The function ip2long() generates an IPv4 Internet network address from its Internet standard format (dotted string) representation." which leads me to believe that won't work with IPv6.
(1 reply) #13 Airlink on 26 Sep 2008 - 02:51
Coming soon: The one-IP-per-family policy.
#13.1 Tikitiki on 26 Sep 2008 - 03:43
This is Comcast's big change to stop people from using their "services" when they "oops, ran out of IPs!"
(3 replies) #14 Tikitiki on 26 Sep 2008 - 03:39
Simply changing IPv4 to hexadecimal would give a significant boost and wouldn't be as cryptic as 6 of those things... Nevertheless, I guess it's better to get ahead then be behind.
#14.1 Joe USer on 26 Sep 2008 - 04:48
(Tikitiki said @ #14)
Simply changing IPv4 to hexadecimal would give a significant boost and wouldn't be as cryptic as 6 of those things... Nevertheless, I guess it's better to get ahead then be behind.


If you were making a joke, it went over my head.
#14.2 vetmarkjensen on 26 Sep 2008 - 15:41
(Joe USer said @ #14.1)
(Tikitiki said @ #14)
Simply changing IPv4 to hexadecimal would give a significant boost and wouldn't be as cryptic as 6 of those things... Nevertheless, I guess it's better to get ahead then be behind.


If you were making a joke, it went over my head.
Yeah, it is funny, though. Especially if Tikitiki didn't already realize that the IPv4 is easily expressed in hex, and expressing it in binary bits, hex or decimal will never change the size of values it holds.
0-255
00-FF
00000000-11111111

It's all the same.
#14.3 Joe USer on 27 Sep 2008 - 03:26
(markjensen said @ #14.2)
(Joe USer said @ #14.1)
(Tikitiki said @ #14)
Simply changing IPv4 to hexadecimal would give a significant boost and wouldn't be as cryptic as 6 of those things... Nevertheless, I guess it's better to get ahead then be behind.


If you were making a joke, it went over my head.
Yeah, it is funny, though. Especially if Tikitiki didn't already realize that the IPv4 is easily expressed in hex, and expressing it in binary bits, hex or decimal will never change the size of values it holds.
0-255
00-FF
00000000-11111111

It's all the same.


That about sums up why I was confused.
#15 smooth_criminal1990 on 26 Sep 2008 - 10:58
Well if there's any country with enough..."authority" over its people to make them migrate to ipv6, its China!

Still a shame they'll be more difficult to remember... might have to print out my HOSTS file next time I have DNS problems though the problem has been round long enough, and using more NAT isn't going to stop more households getting an internet connection... we'd just end up with whole streets or towns behind a NAT router, paying the local authority for port-forwarding and VPN passthrough e.t.c.
(3 replies) #16 Dogward on 26 Sep 2008 - 12:00
Actually Im in France... All four major ISPs are IPv6 enabled, it is just a matter of choise, but the client has the possibility to switch IPv4 <-> IPv6 unlimited times... I know I use IPv6 for my home network and I connect to the internet through IPv6.

It is quite cool to access my WiFi printer from the internet directly connecting through IP
#16.1 petroid on 26 Sep 2008 - 14:36
I also find it quite cool to access your WiFi printer from the internet...
#16.2 smooth_criminal1990 on 27 Sep 2008 - 08:53
wow, I hope they bring it to the UK soon, it would make VPNs so much easier with the lack of NAT...only problem is there are a ridiculous number of ISPs here!
#16.3 +M2Ys4U on 28 Sep 2008 - 17:18
(smooth_criminal1990 said @ #16.2)
wow, I hope they bring it to the UK soon, it would make VPNs so much easier with the lack of NAT...only problem is there are a ridiculous number of ISPs here!


Most UK ISPs use the BT network, upgrade BT, you upgrade a whole bunch of ISPs at the same time.
#17 carmatic on 26 Sep 2008 - 14:33
will china like have a technological advantage for making the effort to switch like this?
i think that its quite fitting that they have ipv6, seeing that they can make so much electronic gadgetry... i wonder if they will make cheap ipv6 internet enabled devices... granted these cheapo 'made in china' things might break down at any time but still it'll be an interesting way to fill up all those addresses
(1 reply) #18 HalcyonX12 on 26 Sep 2008 - 20:25
Why don't they switch over to a different protocol altogether? It's obvious they don't want to be involved with the rest of the world's internet resources...
#18.1 spinning_quirK on 27 Sep 2008 - 08:16
It's obvious you think it's China's fault when they were allocated too few IPv4 addresses.
#19 mikeyj on 27 Sep 2008 - 01:37
I think China has already found a solution, IPV6.
#20 Aleck79 on 29 Sep 2008 - 03:05
I still think it would be interesting... I mean there would have to be a proxy in between to communicate with ipv4 sites which is still dominate today if they go to ipv6...

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