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Police close file on BT's trials

Tom Warren   on 25 September 2008 - 09:43 · 18 comments & 10628 views

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The City of London Police have said there will be no formal investigation of BT over its secret trials of an ad monitoring system.

BT trialled the Phorm system - which monitors web browsing habits in order to better target ads - without the consent of users last summer.

Angry users handed over a dossier of evidence to the police following the telco's July annual general meeting.

But the police said no criminal offence has been committed.

"They said that there was no criminal intent on behalf of BT and that there was implied consent because the service was going to benefit customers," said Alex Hanff, one of the chief campaigners in the case.

Nicholas Bohm, a lawyer with thinktank Foundation for Information Policy Research, said the police response was "absurd".

"A driver who kills someone when drunk has no criminal intent. It is not a necessary ingredient of a crime," he said.

"As for the idea that consent is implied on the grounds that some people would like a service, that is not good enough at all," he added.

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(1 reply) #1 PermaSt0ne on 25 Sep 2008 - 09:55
"They said that there was no criminal intent on behalf of BT and that there was implied consent because the service was going to benefit customers,""

wow. biggest load of bull**** i've heard in a while. it's a shame that the public can't do anything about BT or the police
#1.1 n_K on 25 Sep 2008 - 15:33
(PermaSt0ne said @ #1)
"They said that there was no criminal intent on behalf of BT and that there was implied consent because the service was going to benefit customers,""

wow. biggest load of bull**** i've heard in a while. it's a shame that the public can't do anything about BT or the police

Get evidence about the payoff. We all know BT has paid them off
#2 lekuche on 25 Sep 2008 - 10:06
Darn it, so in order words, they spam and when it irritates me to a point that I report them, the police cant do anything because they say the end result is for my satisfaction.WTF, are we being controlled and imprisoned in this world.....implied consent my foot.
#3 stezo2k on 25 Sep 2008 - 10:20

"A driver who kills someone when drunk has no criminal intent. It is not a necessary ingredient of a crime,"

whats that got to do with anything? were BT drunk when they decided to spy on everybody? no

its bollocks
#4 Cpugeni Ω on 25 Sep 2008 - 10:32
What a load of....... "because the service was going to benefit customers".
An advert on a billboard in the street, or on the side of a bus doesnt benefit me, nor does an ad popup on the Internet.

Anyone know how phorm might target us ads anyway? Some kind of packet interception to inject HTML into HTTP requests or what?!
(4 replies) #5 SilverBulletUK on 25 Sep 2008 - 10:58
Outrageous!

"They said that there was no criminal intent on behalf of BT and that there was implied consent because the service was going to benefit customers," said Alex Hanff, one of the chief campaigners in the case.


So, I could enter somebody's unlocked home, go through their underwear drawers, but as long as I tidied said underwear drawer and it benefited the occupier it would be legal?

No.

This government need's get to grips with today's technological world and it's implications.

SilverB.
#5.1 Cpugeni Ω on 25 Sep 2008 - 12:46
LMAO! That's hilarious, I like your point
#5.2 jelli on 25 Sep 2008 - 12:54
Tidying wouldn't really be too the persons benefit. However if you colour coded it or something then that would be perfectly legal.
#5.3 BigDaddy5 on 25 Sep 2008 - 13:04
(SilverBulletUK said @ #5)
Outrageous!

"They said that there was no criminal intent on behalf of BT and that there was implied consent because the service was going to benefit customers," said Alex Hanff, one of the chief campaigners in the case.


So, I could enter somebody's unlocked home, go through their underwear drawers, but as long as I tidied said underwear drawer and it benefited the occupier it would be legal?

No.

This government need's get to grips with today's technological world and it's implications.

SilverB.


Your analogy is completely false. BT didn't break into your computer. They took information you gave them, and targeted ads at you.

A better analogy would be if you sent all your underwear to the dry cleaners, and started getting them back with ads for new underwear with them.
#5.4 carmatic on 25 Sep 2008 - 15:26
(BigDaddy5 said @ #5.3)
Your analogy is completely false. BT didn't break into your computer. They took information you gave them, and targeted ads at you.

so uhh whose data is it then? once you start using the internet, all your information belongs to the isp? like 'the information you gave them' kind of sounds like the information is theirs now
#6 smooth_criminal1990 on 25 Sep 2008 - 13:41
whatever the analogy, I still don't see ads popping in my face as a benefit, and would probably never click on one unless by accident, or to hellp the site . We're all screwed if the police here can's spot such an invasion of privacy from this close. BT were not acting to improve the customers' web experience, just make money.
#7 mel00 on 25 Sep 2008 - 15:32
"They said that there was no criminal intent on behalf of BT and that there was implied consent because the service was going to benefit customers,"

Benefit me? right... Is going benefit the a$$$hole came up with the idea... So they can buy latest car,boat or whore...

I have an awesome idea! Lets make our own spying company instead of spying on the people we spy on them. If we get complain we said "is benefit for there company"

f@ckers
(1 reply) #8 YaZoR on 25 Sep 2008 - 18:53
TWUNTS!
#8.1 Esvandiary on 25 Sep 2008 - 22:54
That, I'm sure, is the most insightful and accurate comment I've seen on the matter. Well worded, sir.
(1 reply) #9 supernova_00 on 25 Sep 2008 - 21:06
Unless the ad company is paying you to see the ad, I don't see how it is going to benefit the user. What a load of crap.
#9.1 excalpius on 25 Sep 2008 - 21:16
Agreed. This is why class action lawsuits work.
#10 Michael1406 on 26 Sep 2008 - 00:06
Anyone who thought about it should have realised that BT would get away with it. It's not a surprise to me in the least. I have such little faith in this country.
#11 pagnaet on 26 Sep 2008 - 07:14
How can it possibly be legal for an ISP to monitor its users? I mean, unless you live the US or China, I figured it was defacto taboo for ISPs to spy on customers.

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