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Congress moves to safeguard laptops

Daniel Fleshbourne   on 08 October 2008 - 08:46 · 37 comments & 5118 views

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The right to search laptop data will be limited under a new bill introduced to the US Senate today. Three Democratic senators introduced a bill to ensure that the existing rules for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) are altered to protect data from random searches.

“Most Americans would be shocked to learn that upon their return to the U.S. from traveling abroad, the government could demand the password to their laptop, hold it for as long as it wants, pore over their documents, emails, and photographs, and examine which websites they visited – all without any suggestion of wrong-doing,” Senator Russ Feingold said.

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(6 replies) #1 buletov on 08 Oct 2008 - 08:53
Current America smells like a tyranny country to me...
#1.1 DaDog V12 on 08 Oct 2008 - 09:00
Yep, we have to deal with Bush's sorry ass until January 20th next year until the next president (Obama I hope) goes to the White House
#1.2 Typhon on 08 Oct 2008 - 09:30
(DaDog V12 said @ #1.1)
Yep, we have to deal with Bush's sorry ass until January 20th next year until the next president (Obama I hope) goes to the White House


Why? If you think it is going to be better your 100% wrong dose not matter who it is. Ill bet my life on it.
#1.3 +GreyWolfSC on 08 Oct 2008 - 14:30
(Typhon said @ #1.2)
(DaDog V12 said @ #1.1)
Yep, we have to deal with Bush's sorry ass until January 20th next year until the next president (Obama I hope) goes to the White House


Why? If you think it is going to be better your 100% wrong dose not matter who it is. Ill bet my life on it.


You do that....

Do you live in the US? Can you vote? Are you going to?
#1.4 Typhon on 08 Oct 2008 - 16:29
(GreyWolfSC said @ #1.3)
(Typhon said @ #1.2)
(DaDog V12 said @ #1.1)
Yep, we have to deal with Bush's sorry ass until January 20th next year until the next president (Obama I hope) goes to the White House


Why? If you think it is going to be better your 100% wrong dose not matter who it is. Ill bet my life on it.


You do that....

Do you live in the US? Can you vote? Are you going to?



Yea I live in the USA and I am registered to vote and I do vote. Did I hurt your feelings because you are a Obama supporter? Or do you just get your feelings hurt easy? It will not make a difference democrat or republican. They all want to do the same thing over and over again. You will see your proof, we will still be at war and in debt from money made out of thin air and on and on. It has been a down fall for what about 90+ years, so what proof do you need? Politicians cannot fix things. It is impossible, and the likely hood of it to change will take the mind set of all America's to change. All I hear is change and believe but it will never change when corruption and greed run freely.
#1.5 Nose Nuggets on 08 Oct 2008 - 19:15
(Typhon said @ #1.4)
(GreyWolfSC said @ #1.3)
(Typhon said @ #1.2)
(DaDog V12 said @ #1.1)
Yep, we have to deal with Bush's sorry ass until January 20th next year until the next president (Obama I hope) goes to the White House


Why? If you think it is going to be better your 100% wrong dose not matter who it is. Ill bet my life on it.


You do that....

Do you live in the US? Can you vote? Are you going to?



Yea I live in the USA and I am registered to vote and I do vote. Did I hurt your feelings because you are a Obama supporter? Or do you just get your feelings hurt easy? It will not make a difference democrat or republican. They all want to do the same thing over and over again. You will see your proof, we will still be at war and in debt from money made out of thin air and on and on. It has been a down fall for what about 90+ years, so what proof do you need? Politicians cannot fix things. It is impossible, and the likely hood of it to change will take the mind set of all America's to change. All I hear is change and believe but it will never change when corruption and greed run freely.


This.

people fail to realize that most of our current establishments (religion, government, money) are all old an outdated; but we continue to elect president and other officials to keep things the same. keep the status quo. there is more free renewable energy then we could ever use but because we are duped into believing we have a scarcity of resources people dont mind working the majority of their lives to pay debts to bankers who make money out of nothing. do a little research on the Fractional Reserve system and open your eyes.
#1.6 Typhon on 09 Oct 2008 - 12:57
(Nose Nuggets said @ #1.5)
(Typhon said @ #1.4)
(GreyWolfSC said @ #1.3)
(Typhon said @ #1.2)
(DaDog V12 said @ #1.1)
Yep, we have to deal with Bush's sorry ass until January 20th next year until the next president (Obama I hope) goes to the White House


Why? If you think it is going to be better your 100% wrong dose not matter who it is. Ill bet my life on it.


You do that....

Do you live in the US? Can you vote? Are you going to?



Yea I live in the USA and I am registered to vote and I do vote. Did I hurt your feelings because you are a Obama supporter? Or do you just get your feelings hurt easy? It will not make a difference democrat or republican. They all want to do the same thing over and over again. You will see your proof, we will still be at war and in debt from money made out of thin air and on and on. It has been a down fall for what about 90+ years, so what proof do you need? Politicians cannot fix things. It is impossible, and the likely hood of it to change will take the mind set of all America's to change. All I hear is change and believe but it will never change when corruption and greed run freely.


This.

people fail to realize that most of our current establishments (religion, government, money) are all old an outdated; but we continue to elect president and other officials to keep things the same. keep the status quo. there is more free renewable energy then we could ever use but because we are duped into believing we have a scarcity of resources people dont mind working the majority of their lives to pay debts to bankers who make money out of nothing. do a little research on the Fractional Reserve system and open your eyes.


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#2 nmesisca on 08 Oct 2008 - 09:28
like thats going to change anything..
(1 reply) #3 McDave on 08 Oct 2008 - 09:37
I am nipping into America on Thursday for the first time in my life. Gues I won't be taking the laptop lol

Really tho, are they expecting someone to smuggle a terrorist on their hard drive?
#3.1 Airlink on 08 Oct 2008 - 09:40
Nope. A bong. It's all part of Nancy Regan's long-failed war on drugs.
(1 reply) #4 KavazovAngel on 08 Oct 2008 - 10:48
Hmm, I guess I'll bring my desktop then. Since they search laptops.
#4.1 RawGutts on 08 Oct 2008 - 11:53
(KavazovAngel said @ #4)
Hmm, I guess I'll bring my desktop then. Since they search laptops.


Yeah doesn't work that way, it's any and all electronic devices they deem a risk. Once the agent makes up his or her mind that the device is a risk. They will take it.
(2 replies) #5 Nestea_M@n on 08 Oct 2008 - 11:27
I'd rather Disassemble my laptop and give it to them like that. I'd love to see them try to piece it all together

Neztea
#5.1 vetneufuse on 08 Oct 2008 - 12:37
(Nestea_M@n said @ #5)
I'd rather Disassemble my laptop and give it to them like that. I'd love to see them try to piece it all together

Neztea


Why's that make a difference? all they need is your hard drive or its platters and they can get what ever they want
#5.2 Nestea_M@n on 08 Oct 2008 - 21:29
Note. also, I would disassemble the hard drive and place huge magnets against the scattered parts. better
(3 replies) #6 naap51stang on 08 Oct 2008 - 12:56
You want to protect your laptop from the prying eyes if the government? It's a pain, but here's how you do it.
Get a 2nd hard drive. Put everything on it except the confidential documents. Put them on a thumb drive. Take your "real" hard drive and overnight it to where you are going. When you get there, pop it in. When you go back home, overnight it back home and reverse the procedure. Expensive, pain in the butt, but the federal government HAS NO BUSINESS INSIDE MY LAPTOP WITHOUT A DAMN SEARCH WARRANT!
#6.1 vetneufuse on 08 Oct 2008 - 14:21
(naap51stang said @ #6)
You want to protect your laptop from the prying eyes if the government? It's a pain, but here's how you do it.
Get a 2nd hard drive. Put everything on it except the confidential documents. Put them on a thumb drive. Take your "real" hard drive and overnight it to where you are going. When you get there, pop it in. When you go back home, overnight it back home and reverse the procedure. Expensive, pain in the butt, but the federal government HAS NO BUSINESS INSIDE MY LAPTOP WITHOUT A DAMN SEARCH WARRANT!


Um too bad customs will know what is in the box and possibly search it there? anything that leaves the country via shipping can be searched by customs
#6.2 Dakkaroth on 08 Oct 2008 - 15:09
Uh, I imagine many computer parts are sent internationally? Why they have to inspect it any more than seeing that it is simply a hard drive is beyond me.
#6.3 Octol on 09 Oct 2008 - 02:51
Better still, take the hard drive out of your laptop and install the OS itself on a 32 gig thumb drive. Plug it in and boot up when you want to use it, then shut it down and put the drive in your pocket when you're done. Then they can search your laptop to their heart's content!
(3 replies) #7 nmesisca on 08 Oct 2008 - 13:35
even more easily, and at no cost, install TrueCrypt and be on your merry way.
#7.1 +GreyWolfSC on 08 Oct 2008 - 14:31
(nmesisca said @ #7)
even more easily, and at no cost, install TrueCrypt and be on your merry way.


Yep, then they just keep your laptop until you either produce they key or it rots.
#7.2 nmesisca on 08 Oct 2008 - 16:26
(GreyWolfSC said @ #7.1)
(nmesisca said @ #7)
even more easily, and at no cost, install TrueCrypt and be on your merry way.


Yep, then they just keep your laptop until you either produce they key or it rots.



They can keep it,
it will take them a couple months to decrypt the whole thing, and some quite expensive equipment dedicated to the job.
I can spend another 250euro for a laptop. Can they invest their money on decrypting (for every laptop they have)?
#7.3 Shiranui on 09 Oct 2008 - 01:47
No, you can make a hidden volume, inside the main volume, with a separate password.

If they demand to see inside, you just give them a password for the visible volume (containing just a few files to keep them happy).


If a country can be threatened by data on a harddrive, then it probably isn't worth protecting in the first place.
(1 reply) #8 HalcyonX12 on 08 Oct 2008 - 13:49
The right to search laptop data will be limited under a new bill

They have a right to search laptop data?
#8.1 shinji257 on 08 Oct 2008 - 15:23
Unfortunately yes. I just don't think they have really been exercising it too much. If they were then they would of held up the router that I sent overseas either on the way out or the way back.
(3 replies) #9 sezgintezel on 08 Oct 2008 - 16:00
This is fascism!
#9.1 Magallanes on 08 Oct 2008 - 16:14
Yes it is.

#9.2 39 Thieves on 08 Oct 2008 - 16:47
And has been in effect for quite some time now. It's funny, how uninformed some people are, that crap like this goes on, and now that legislature is being pushed to stop this, you all get your panties in a wad that this was happening.

Get informed.
#9.3 nmesisca on 09 Oct 2008 - 12:20
(39 Thieves said @ #9.2)
And has been in effect for quite some time now. It's funny, how uninformed some people are, that crap like this goes on, and now that legislature is being pushed to stop this, you all get your panties in a wad that this was happening.

Get informed.



dude,
I think you mean stopped for American citizens.
That doesnt change anything for foreigners.
(1 reply) #10 +-Vivicidal- on 08 Oct 2008 - 16:14
Use an obfrusicated linux OS, so it is specifically hard to use/extract data from it - even with the password!
#10.1 buletov on 08 Oct 2008 - 16:22
Yes, but they most likely have a bunch of Jack Bauers just waiting to extract the password from your sorry ass.
(4 replies) #11 nmesisca on 08 Oct 2008 - 16:24
No one can force you to reveal your passwords, under no circumstance.

Plausible deniability.
#11.1 +statm1 on 08 Oct 2008 - 17:01
You don't have to give up your password. But they will prolong you so you miss your flight.. Easy as that..
#11.2 Nose Nuggets on 08 Oct 2008 - 19:21
(nmesisca said @ #11)
No one can force you to reveal your passwords, under no circumstance.

Plausible deniability.


depends. having a hidden encrypted partition (tru crypt) would provide you that luxery. your system login password on the other hand could be subpoenaed by a judge and you either provide the password or go to jail for obstruction of justice.
#11.3 nmesisca on 09 Oct 2008 - 12:00
(Nose Nuggets said @ #11.2)
(nmesisca said @ #11)
No one can force you to reveal your passwords, under no circumstance.

Plausible deniability.


depends. having a hidden encrypted partition (tru crypt) would provide you that luxery. your system login password on the other hand could be subpoenaed by a judge and you either provide the password or go to jail for obstruction of justice.



not even a judge can make you reveal your passwords.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-9834495-38.html
and many other like this one.
#11.4 nmesisca on 09 Oct 2008 - 12:23
(statm1 said @ #11.1)
You don't have to give up your password. But they will prolong you so you miss your flight.. Easy as that..


they still wont get the password.
i can wait.
then after I am released, I pay a visit to a couple newspapers
I may not win, but im going to make it a living hell for them to get what they want.
#12 wst50 on 08 Oct 2008 - 18:26
Good luck getting the data from a MicroSD hidden under my skin... or swallowed, for that matter (with a layer of protection from acid, etc...)

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