Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has been at it again (no not the shouting) telling analysts that people can wait for Windows 7 if they like.In a Q&A session with Gartner analysts Neil MacDonald and David Mitchell Smith at the Gartner Symposium ITxpo in Orlando, Ballmer said “Windows 7 will be Vista, but a lot better” according to ZDNet.
“If people want to wait they really can,” said Ballmer. “But I’d definitely deploy Vista” he noted. Unfortunately that's not likely to fill the confidence boots of investors or customers who have been put off by Microsoft's Vista offerings.
Earlier this month Ballmer hinted at a forthcoming operating system "Windows Cloud" that would help developers write Internet-based applications.
Microsoft will be revealing all about Windows 7 at PDC and will unveil exactly what Windows Strata really is too.
The problem with windows begins to be that MS needs more control over it, this is something that Apple understood... bad 3rd party software causes people to blame the OS.
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Actually the problem with Windows is that it's closed-source, and the vast majority of apps written for it are also closed. Why is that a big deal, you may ask? Because when MS tries to fix bugs or enhance the OS, some (most?) of the apps may break. Companies have no incentive to do the work of recompiling and packaging their software unless there's a significant financial return. That means alot of older but very useful apps get abandoned. It also ties Microsoft's hands when it comes to changing the OS.
Microsoft doesn't need more control over software. The reason Windows is so popular is mostly because of the established base of apps. If development were limited like on Apple's platforms, the pace of development would decline. Unfortunately M$ is already taking this approach, requiring OEMs to ship signed applications, much like signed drivers that are only allowed if they pass M$'s tests. Their "OEM Readiness" program goes into effect Jan 1 '09. Google it for details.
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Honestly, SP1 didn't bring much of an improvement in speed. Your drivers probably just weren't good yet.
If there is nothing wrong with Vista, then tell me why is it that 95% of the people out there want it off their PC.
I just did 2 again this week, a Dell and an Acer. Both were laptop with a Celeron D (single-core) and 1 Gig of RAM. And it was just the Home Basic version. They were so slow, it was unbelievable. In XP they look like little bomb. What the hell are they thinking about ?
I ran Vista Ultimate just fine on a P4 with 1GB RAM. The crap that is pre-installed on those machines is what slows them down.
I was under the impression that the GPU was the main factor as to if Vista ran fast or slow. Though I'd definately want 1GB of RAM - at least - if I ran Vista (which I don't).
If there is nothing wrong with Vista, then tell me why is it that 95% of the people out there want it off their PC.
I just did 2 again this week, a Dell and an Acer. Both were laptop with a Celeron D (single-core) and 1 Gig of RAM. And it was just the Home Basic version. They were so slow, it was unbelievable. In XP they look like little bomb. What the hell are they thinking about ?
I can make up statistics too, but I'm not going to bother.
Because most people I've encountered are too damn lazy to bother with learning the new interface. Normal people like to be stuck inside their comfort zone, and when things change on them they flip out. For example, my brother used Vista for 5 minutes, if that, before bitching about how he doesn't like it.
Also, it doesn't help with all the FUD floating around. When people come in (tech support at school) and request a reformat, I ask XP or Vista? They always say "XP, I've heard Vista is bad." That's it. No evidence to back it up.
Additionally, a lot of people's Vista experience has been crapped up with pre-loaded software from OEMs. This is a practice that REALLY needs to stop. No one likes it except the OEMs themselves, because they get paid.
That's why people request to go back.
If there is nothing wrong with Vista, then tell me why is it that 95% of the people out there want it off their PC.
I just did 2 again this week, a Dell and an Acer. Both were laptop with a Celeron D (single-core) and 1 Gig of RAM. And it was just the Home Basic version. They were so slow, it was unbelievable. In XP they look like little bomb. What the hell are they thinking about ?
95%? Really? And if it is that high, it's simply because those same people are listening to all the negative publicity about it and figuring that it must be true. Like a buddy of mine who bought a new Dell Desktop PC and had them install xp on it. Why? Because another friend of his who had never even touched Vista said it was junk and that he should make sure that he has them put XP on his computer instead. Now his new computer which could easily run Vista is running a 7 year old OS, and there's nothing he can do about it. People do stuff like this based on ignorance, not knowledge. And where do you get the figure 95%? From all the people getting their computers from OEMs that fill it with so much junk that it crawls right out of the gate, and everyone blames Vista for it!
Not FUD and not ridiculous (although in many respects Vista is a joke). On some hardware, particularly high-end, Vista may run ok. It chews up more cycles so your power bill increases, but you probably don't care enough to notice that. As a user of one system, you don't see the entire universe of systems that Vista ships on. Laptops in particular have limited resources compared to desktops, but M$ doesn't care, they demand all OEMs ship Vista (XP can't ship except as a downgrade, a bureaucratic mess). M$ has conceded that Vista is a wasteful memory hog by allowing netbook OEMs to ship XP out of the factory. They need to allow any OEM to make their own choice between XP or Vista.
I develop apps for XP and Vista and it's a nightmare. M$ broke so many things that much of the code has to have parallel streams, one for XP and another for Vista. It makes things a mess. We have to support Vista because alot of systems ship with it, and at the same time we can't ignore the established base of XP users. M$ could have done this alot better (sandboxes, API wrappers, etc...). They dropped the ball big time with Vista. Users don't understand all the shiite that goes on underneath, and you shouldn't have to of course. But don't blanketly say that Vista is "fine" out of ignorance.
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Not FUD and not ridiculous (although in many respects Vista is a joke). On some hardware, particularly high-end, Vista may run ok. It chews up more cycles so your power bill increases, but you probably don't care enough to notice that.
Vista runs better than XP even on my old Athlon 64 3200+.
Vista has more effiicient power management.
And Vista is much better for laptops than XP.
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FUDpost.If there is nothing wrong with Vista, then tell me why is it that 95% of the people out there want it off their PC.
I just did 2 again this week, a Dell and an Acer. Both were laptop with a Celeron D (single-core) and 1 Gig of RAM. And it was just the Home Basic version. They were so slow, it was unbelievable. In XP they look like little bomb. What the hell are they thinking about ?
Having crap like Norton on your laptop is no excuse for being a dumb liar.
Put your percents back to the place where you took them from. where the sun never shines.
Even with all the crapware remove and the pc tuned-up, it's still a crawler compare to the same PC running XP.
I did the test myself. I have 2 PC in my showroom side by side. Both the same, Asus mobo, Athlon x2 3800+, 2 Gig ram, 160 Gig SATA2 drive, Geforce 6150SE. One is running XP Home and one running Vista Home Basic. It's not even funny how slower Vista is. I have this little demonstration with a free game that came with a Kingston USB flash drive, called Atlantis. You would sware the Vista PC is running on a Pentium 2. And there is no crapware in these 2 PCs. I've build them myself.
And before you start rambling about buying a bigger PC, these are the kind of PC the people where I live can afford. And that's what I sell. With XP. And everybody is happy.
Vista is a bust and it will be shelved.
Even with all the crapware remove and the pc tuned-up, it's still a crawler compare to the same PC running XP.
I did the test myself. I have 2 PC in my showroom side by side. Both the same, Asus mobo, Athlon x2 3800+, 2 Gig ram, 160 Gig SATA2 drive, Geforce 6150SE. One is running XP Home and one running Vista Home Basic. It's not even funny how slower Vista is. I have this little demonstration with a free game that came with a Kingston USB flash drive, called Atlantis. You would sware the Vista PC is running on a Pentium 2. And there is no crapware in these 2 PCs. I've build them myself.
And before you start rambling about buying a bigger PC, these are the kind of PC the people where I live can afford. And that's what I sell. With XP. And everybody is happy.
Vista is a bust and it will be shelved.
It's still not a reason to lie. Even with all the anti-MS trolls that haunt Neowin 75% of people are happy with Vista. In the outside world this number is obviously much higher. Just admit that you were lying and apologize before the Neowin members.
P.S. Athlon 64 3200+; 2Gb DDR I RAM; GF 7600GT. Vista is clearly more responsive and much more stable than XP. Maybe your hatred is working against you?
LOL
If there is nothing wrong with Vista, then tell me why is it that 95% of the people out there want it off their PC.
I just did 2 again this week, a Dell and an Acer. Both were laptop with a Celeron D (single-core) and 1 Gig of RAM. And it was just the Home Basic version. They were so slow, it was unbelievable. In XP they look like little bomb. What the hell are they thinking about ?
Having crap like Norton on your laptop is no excuse for being a dumb liar.
Put your percents back to the place where you took them from. where the sun never shines.
Vista need 4gb of ram to compete with XP and 1gb
-MS :no, xp is out, you must sell with vista. Vista or bust.
-Manufacturer :But its just a 1gb notebook.
-MS :Vista runs fine with 1gb.
-Manufacturer :But i don't have the network and video driver drivers right now.
-MS :like i care.
-Manufacturer :Hi Nvidia, do you have ready the video driver?.
-Nvidia :No, just wait a "couple" of month.
-Manufacturer :Hi Intel, do you have ready the network driver?.
-Intel :hell no, im still waiting the driver specification from part of MS.
Later and without the correct drivers, the manufacturer sell the notebook without any decent driver and still with a "Vista capable" Logo granted by MS.
-Intel :hell no, im still waiting the driver specification from part of MS.
Later and without the correct drivers, the manufacturer sell the notebook without any decent driver and still with a "Vista capable" Logo granted by MS.
Are you hired by Intel, Mr. Little Liar?
Anyway, im looking forward to Windows 7. Will be beta testing it and will have it as main os for sure at RTM.
Nothing new to this "news" article, really. Software is always a work in progress, always being improved.
The feel of less resources i guess is crazy?
And this is why I will wait for Win 7, thanks Steve.
I can't hear what mutter from under the Steeeeeve Jobs' desk. Are you gagged with something?
You couldn't hear my mutters but yet you replied
I work for a company called ChangeBASE that has developed a product called AOK to report on whether apps will run on an operating system and then fix most of the issues - mainly by creating a transform file based on the origional installation script (often in MSI format)
We have an app compatibility lab with c. 1000 apps. Our findings are:-
c. 30 percent of apps run fine on VISTA
c. 65 percent need some 'tweaking' to work fully on VISTA
c. 5 percent need some code changes which the developer needs do do
So the bulk of app compat issues are not in the hands of Microsoft but the software vendor/developer
Regarding Windows 7 - we have had an early preview of this and most VISTA compatibility issues will still be there with Windows 7 - so if you are delaying going to VISTA to avoid these problems you won't get away with it
Thank you for the common sense. I'm so glad to see people of logic and common sense finally speaking out!
PC: < 2GB AND < C2D go XP
PC: >= 2GB and C2D >= go Vista
It's a new OS with more stuff in it, it's not so strange it demands more from your computer. Drivers were a bit borked at the beginning but that's NOT MS's fault at all, vendors had the time to make good drivers from the Beta's and RTM till release but some just did not (creative, nvidia for example). Windows 7 will be great, it has the stable foundation Vista has, the drivers *SHOULD* be compatible and they have made the changes to the OS that should have been in since Windows Me, the things that make our life easier when working with computers.
Then you aren't someone to be used as a viable example, you're a noob.
Open Source is where the future is at, and if you want to have control over your PC that's also where you'll be too.
Open Source is where the future is at, and if you want to have control over your PC that's also where you'll be too.
I wonder why you even bothered to post :p
If someone as resistant as myself can say all this, I'd bet there is truth in much of what I've read from other Vista fans. I'd never run this OS on my old system because it couldn't handle it, but now that I've upgraded into a more suitable system it's proven to be a surprisingly slick update as well. That said, it's probably not for everyone right now, but as people upgrade to better systems I'm willing to guess that if they can bypass prejudice and bad press Vista has received to give it a chance, they'll also admit it isn't as horrible as they imagined it would be. It's interesting that on the poll from this page, 89 out of 154 said they want to upgrade to Windows 7 yet are content using Vista, although this doesn't take into account how many didn't bother to weigh in.
It's not worth fighting over or making insulting remarks about regardless of the opinion however. Change is an inevitable.
If someone as resistant as myself can say all this, I'd bet there is truth in much of what I've read from other Vista fans. I'd never run this OS on my old system because it couldn't handle it, but now that I've upgraded into a more suitable system it's proven to be a surprisingly slick update as well. That said, it's probably not for everyone right now, but as people upgrade to better systems I'm willing to guess that if they can bypass prejudice and bad press Vista has received to give it a chance, they'll also admit it isn't as horrible as they imagined it would be. It's interesting that on the poll from this page, 89 out of 154 said they want to upgrade to Windows 7 yet are content using Vista, although this doesn't take into account how many didn't bother to weigh in.
It's not worth fighting over or making insulting remarks about regardless of the opinion however. Change is an inevitable.
Your scanner would work if it was Linux
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