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Windows 7 to have only one "compatible" logo

Daniel Fleshbourne   on 06 November 2008 - 11:26 · 38 comments & 7975 views

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The Register is reporting on an interesting story from WinHEC about how Microsoft is planning to change how it will run the “compatible with Windows 7” logo program.

Microsoft seems to have learnt its lesson after the disaster that was the Vista compatible program which had 4 different logos and would eventually see Microsoft ending up in court facing a class action lawsuit.

Microsoft confirmed to partners on Wednesday that there would only be a single sticker that covers all PC’s peripherals and software that has been certified to work with Windows 7 when it’s released.

The changes are timed to coincide with Microsoft’s continued push towards Windows 7, helping partners to start developing products earlier than with Vista, which had only a relatively small number of compatible programs ready when it launched.

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(7 replies) #1 digitalsoft on 06 Nov 2008 - 11:45
Even this sounds like a great step for Win7. Do we know how many version there will be of Win7 though? Would be great if there were just 2 like XP, Pro and Home.
#1.1 profets on 06 Nov 2008 - 16:20
i agree that the versions should be simpler. but i think there does need to be an 'ultimate' type that has features from both home & business (media center, domain join)..
#1.2 theyarecomingforyou on 06 Nov 2008 - 16:30
To be fair I don't even think those editions should be separated. There's not much difference in price between them anyway. I'd like to see a single version with much greater customisability during install.

Microsoft failed to deliver on Ultimate Extras or justify why the Ultimate version was worth the extra money (though I still bought it for the backup features), while Home Basic was just a case of how much could they strip out... it wasn't even that much cheaper.
#1.3 profets on 06 Nov 2008 - 17:06
yeah thats true. but gotta think about how big of a market windows has. i'm sure 2-3 versions isnt a big deal. one thing i think is stupid though is home basic vs home premium. at the least i'd hope that can become just 'home'
#1.4 +Brandon Live on 06 Nov 2008 - 17:48
theyarecomingforyou said,
Microsoft failed to deliver on Ultimate Extras or justify why the Ultimate version was worth the extra money (though I still bought it for the backup features), while Home Basic was just a case of how much could they strip out... it wasn't even that much cheaper.


What? Ultimate's price is completely justified. If you take Basic, add the Home Premium features (Media Center) the difference is like $30. If you take the difference between Basic and Business the difference is like $100, for features like domain joining, remote desktop, and shadow copy.

The difference between Basic and Ultimate is $120 at the current price of $219.95. That's $10 less than the 30+100 you'd get for the marginal cost of Business plus Home features.

So please explain why you think the price is unjustified?
#1.5 +TCLN Ryster on 06 Nov 2008 - 18:43
Brandon Live said,
What? Ultimate's price is completely justified. ...snip..

So please explain why you think the price is unjustified?

I completely agree with you Brandon. theyarecomingforyou obviously has NO CLUE what Ultimate actually is. Perhaps he thinks that the only extra thing in Ultimate was the extras themselves? Sad.
#1.6 Gary7 on 06 Nov 2008 - 23:59
Brandon Live said,
What? Ultimate's price is completely justified. If you take Basic, add the Home Premium features (Media Center) the difference is like $30. If you take the difference between Basic and Business the difference is like $100, for features like domain joining, remote desktop, and shadow copy.

The difference between Basic and Ultimate is $120 at the current price of $219.95. That's $10 less than the 30+100 you'd get for the marginal cost of Business plus Home features.

So please explain why you think the price is unjustified?


What about the poor souls that had to pay $299.00 for it. Vista Business comes with the backup but without The Media Center. I just ordered a new PC with Vista Ultimate on it instead of Home Premium and it was $90.00 more. I like Vista and I do not plan to upgrade to Windows 7 unless the price is right.
#1.7 RAID 0 on 07 Nov 2008 - 00:34
Gary7 said,
Brandon Live said,
What? Ultimate's price is completely justified. If you take Basic, add the Home Premium features (Media Center) the difference is like $30. If you take the difference between Basic and Business the difference is like $100, for features like domain joining, remote desktop, and shadow copy.

The difference between Basic and Ultimate is $120 at the current price of $219.95. That's $10 less than the 30+100 you'd get for the marginal cost of Business plus Home features.

So please explain why you think the price is unjustified?


What about the poor souls that had to pay $299.00 for it.


No one forced them to pay. They should have bought the OEM copy. Their mistake.
(2 replies) #2 Mr. Dee on 06 Nov 2008 - 11:47
I am not surprised. A lot of things with Windows Vista were not coordinated well, from communication, its system requirements, Industry Partnership and what value does it really offer to a Windows XP user which has dominated the market for nearly 7 years. The Company’s (OEMs) who were supposed to represent Windows Vista on their systems did so poorly initially. A lot of debate has started over this, which includes Microsoft’s alleged deal with Intel to support a particular integrated graphics chipset, the Windows Vista Capable branding and the perception that Vista was never ready out the gate.
#2.1 Magallanes on 06 Nov 2008 - 12:39
IMHO

i think they did it on purpose, for example for OEM, Microsoft did earn money for every "certification" and "partner" associate with some OEM.

Anyways, vista logo was create to deceive users.
#2.2 Rolith on 06 Nov 2008 - 14:40
or... it was created because OEMs didn't want to NOT be vista citified, and pressured Microsoft into it... sorry, but Microsoft does a lot of stupid things, but deliberate confusing people is RARELY on that list.
(7 replies) #3 To All Points West on 06 Nov 2008 - 14:36
That's one step in the right direction, now we need to know how many different versions of Windows 7 there will be...
#3.1 bmaher on 06 Nov 2008 - 14:48
Hopefully, one. Likely, 5 (Same as Vista I presume, as the pre-release is alread using the "Ultimate" tag).

I wouldn't mind seeing 3 though - Home, Pro, Ultimate.
#3.2 TRC on 06 Nov 2008 - 15:16
I'd rather see two. Pro should be Ultimate, though it should still be called Pro because Ultimate is a stupid name for an OS.

Windows 7 Home Edition
Windows 7 Professional
#3.3 johnnyftw on 06 Nov 2008 - 15:38
TRC said,
I'd rather see two. Pro should be Ultimate, though it should still be called Pro because Ultimate is a stupid name for an OS.

Windows 7 Home Edition
Windows 7 Professional

I'd rather just see "Windows 7"
#3.4 Captain555 on 06 Nov 2008 - 15:42
johnnyftw said,
I'd rather just see "Windows 7"



I agree completely. One version, simple and streamlined. Everything else: add-ons. You add what you need.
#3.5 +TCLN Ryster on 06 Nov 2008 - 18:47
TRC said,
I'd rather see two. Pro should be Ultimate, though it should still be called Pro because Ultimate is a stupid name for an OS.

Windows 7 Home Edition
Windows 7 Professional

And why would business customers want to pay for features like media centre, etc? You need three editions. One for home users, one for business users and one that contains all the features of both. I agree that Ultimate is a stupid name though.
#3.6 Mr. Dee on 06 Nov 2008 - 19:18
TRC said,
I'd rather see two. Pro should be Ultimate, though it should still be called Pro because Ultimate is a stupid name for an OS.

Windows 7 Home Edition
Windows 7 Professional

Keep dreaming, right now Windows 7 supports the same SKU line up as Windows Vista. Microsoft is not learning. At least drop the Enterprise SKU and just let whatever unique features it offers be available as privilege downloads through SA/EA and MDOP for Windows 7 Business. Merge Home Premium and Home Basic and let the user decide what the want at the point of installation to be installed.

Windows 7 Home
Windows 7 Business
Windows 7 Premium - replaces Ultimate

Starter edition still serves a critical purpose.
#3.7 Hak Foo on 07 Nov 2008 - 00:37
TCLN Ryster said,
TRC said,
I'd rather see two. Pro should be Ultimate, though it should still be called Pro because Ultimate is a stupid name for an OS.

Windows 7 Home Edition
Windows 7 Professional

And why would business customers want to pay for features like media centre, etc? You need three editions. One for home users, one for business users and one that contains all the features of both. I agree that Ultimate is a stupid name though.


Why can't they just disable the features they want at install time? Why is it that your typical Linux distro can have wild ranges of install-time choices, but Windows can't?
#4 SMELTN on 06 Nov 2008 - 15:41
I agree that I would not be opposed to see 2 versions (Home and Pro) but I would much rather just see 1 version of Windows 7 and allow others to just pay for additional content needed after purchase. Like 1 version is sold to the public, but when you get home to install, you can go to the Microsoft store or something and buy additional programs/additions.
(6 replies) #5 +kraized on 06 Nov 2008 - 15:52
There really should only be one version of Windows 7 or if there is going to be a version for servers, make it two.

Windows 7
Windows 7 Server

Done.
#5.1 Krome on 06 Nov 2008 - 16:09
You mean:
Windows 7 Home
Windows 7 Server
#5.2 +ArtOfTheWire on 06 Nov 2008 - 16:50
Krome said,
You mean:
Windows 7 Home
Windows 7 Server


You forgot Windows 7 Home Server.
#5.3 Airlink on 06 Nov 2008 - 17:39
ArtOfTheWire said,
Krome said,
You mean:
Windows 7 Home
Windows 7 Server


You forgot Windows 7 Home Server.

Don't forget Windows Mobile 7.

Or Win 7 UMPC/Netbook edition

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#5.4 C_Guy on 06 Nov 2008 - 17:56
And Windows 7 Starter
#5.5 wst50 on 06 Nov 2008 - 18:30
And Windows 7 Enterprise, Business, and Corporate
#5.6 TRC on 06 Nov 2008 - 18:42
No one has mentioned Windows 7 N yet.
(2 replies) #6 +ArtOfTheWire on 06 Nov 2008 - 16:48
I believe there is:
Home
Business
Enterprise(large companies only like it is with Vista)
Ultimate

So only 3 SKU's for the average person to worry about.
#6.1 +Reeve on 06 Nov 2008 - 16:56
There's Windows 7 Ultimate already (afaik!)
#6.2 +ArtOfTheWire on 06 Nov 2008 - 17:01
Reeve said,
There's Windows 7 Ultimate already (afaik!)



Yes I was just listing the version that i THINK will be in the release. They can still "relabel" Ultimate if they choose to.
(2 replies) #7 C_Guy on 06 Nov 2008 - 17:57
It's really unfortunate that the sheer stupidity of very few customers has led to this. 'Vista Ready' and 'Vista Capable' are not hard to distinguish, especially with all the resources easily available. Oh well, the simpler it is the less pointless lawsuits Microsoft will have to deal with.
#7.1 TRC on 06 Nov 2008 - 18:43
Sorry but I have to disagree with that post 100%.
#7.2 +TCLN Ryster on 06 Nov 2008 - 18:50
Yeah it's like the person who dived into an empty (dry) swimming pool, and then sued the owner for their injuries. They won.

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(2 replies) #8 Soldiers33 on 06 Nov 2008 - 18:45
ultimate is basically the same as premium, excpet bitlock and those extra features which ive never recieved.
#8.1 +TCLN Ryster on 06 Nov 2008 - 18:51
Soldiers33 said,
ultimate is basically the same as premium, excpet bitlock and those extra features which ive never recieved.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did you just say "Ultimate is the same as Premium except for all the other stuff in it thats not in Premium"?

Oh dear.
#8.2 Mr. Dee on 06 Nov 2008 - 19:21
TCLN Ryster said,
Correct me if I'm wrong, but did you just say "Ultimate is the same as Premium except for all the other stuff in it thats not in Premium"?

Oh dear.

Windows Vista Ultimate combines all the features of Windows Vista Home Premium along with all the features of Windows Vista Enterprise. Its the most complete version of Windows.

Please note that Microsoft considers Vista Enterprise to be their 'premium' business SKU.
#9 soldier1st on 06 Nov 2008 - 20:39
they should indeed have 3 different versions: Windows 7 Home Edition And Windows 7 Business Edition And Windows 7 All In One.
#10 howarang15 on 07 Nov 2008 - 02:58
I think there is only going to be one version as everything else can be made extras for download like the movie maker and rest. i dont have tv tuner so i cant say whether it is important enough to have as another edition or not.

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