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France close to 3 strike piracy law

Matthew Hopson   on 07 November 2008 - 12:41 · 20 comments & 5899 views

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Plans by the French government to require Internet service providers to throw persistent pirates off the Internet are now closer to becoming law.

The French Senate voted 297 to 15 in favour of the law, which now goes to the French National Assembly for final approval.

The law, first suggested by Nicolas Sarkozy in November 2007, requires that ISPs monitor web traffic of their customers. Those detected to be downloading copyrighted material illegally would be sent up to two warning letters, before having their internet connection cut off if they persisted to download illegally.

An amendment suggested by Bruno Retailleau of the right-wing MPF party, which proposed giving customers fines, rather than cutting them off, was rejected by French politicians prior to the Senate vote. Mr Retailleau said that the Internet has become an "essential commodity".

Retailleau is not alone. In April 2008, the European Union rejected calls for such a law to be imposed across Europe, saying that throwing people offline conflicted with "civil liberties and human rights".

France is not the only country taking measures to tackle piracy. Sweden has proposed a law that would allow copyright owners to request the personal details of anyone they suspect of copyright infringement from their ISP. Sweden is reportedly going to enact the law in April 2009.

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(1 reply) #1 +dave164 on 07 Nov 2008 - 13:07
This is a little stupid... like it says i completely agree on how you should be fined if anything, not cut off completely... that's stupid.

Would it be a bit like a criminal record? Would you be able to connect to any other ISP?
#1.1 theyarecomingforyou on 07 Nov 2008 - 21:33
It doesn't make sense when the EU is soon to mandate that internet access be an essential service (like all services that reach 50% usage). To then cut it off for people that have breached copyright, especially when reports have said that 75% of internet users have done so, seems absurd. It would effectively give private companies (here media groups) control over who has access to the internet.

Also, it basically means kids downloading tracks can get access to the internet revoked for parents.
(1 reply) #2 +mrbester on 07 Nov 2008 - 13:45
Well, there's a surprise: France deciding what's best for the EU. Just watch this local law become more popular across member states and then it will become EU law.
#2.1 ivanz on 07 Nov 2008 - 20:57
mrbester said,
Well, there's a surprise: France deciding what's best for the EU. Just watch this local law become more popular across member states and then it will become EU law.

Nope, EU is going towards declaring internet access an essential service, so it will make this law illegal sooner or later.
(3 replies) #3 Airlink on 07 Nov 2008 - 14:52
Christ, who let the Nazis take over France again?
#3.1 Burst404 on 07 Nov 2008 - 16:29
lawl
#3.2 jwjw1 on 07 Nov 2008 - 16:35

I thought it was more of France not letting you 'children' dictate things and destroy or steal things that don't belong to you.
#3.3 Semental on 08 Nov 2008 - 18:16
You mean, make copies of things that don't belong to you, don't you? Stealing implies that the record companies are having their products unwillingly taken from them. Not saying that i condone either, though...
(5 replies) #4 TickleOnTheTum on 07 Nov 2008 - 15:55
Piracy is bad, is wrong and is illegal. If you do it then you should be punished. They have tried the softer approach in the past and people still do it so they're getting tough. Good on France. Hopefully the rest of the world will follow suit. As the old saying goes:

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

Oh and if your a pirate and you've got caught... ahh diddums... tough!
#4.1 C_Guy on 07 Nov 2008 - 16:14
Ahhh, someone who gets it! Nice to see that on Neowin
#4.2 Magallanes on 07 Nov 2008 - 16:45
Piracy is good for everyone but a bunch of greedy guys, piracy is even good for legal users.


#4.3 Mathiasdm on 07 Nov 2008 - 17:11
You know, I don't mind if people who pirate, are punished for it. That's the law.
What I do mind, is that all internet traffic needs to be monitored for such a thing to happen.

Starting to sound a lot like 'totalitarian' to me...
#4.4 +macf13nd on 07 Nov 2008 - 18:44
C_Guy said,
Ahhh, someone who gets it! Nice to see that on Neowin


I've always found Neowin to be more anti-piracy than a lot of sites out there.
#4.5 kaiwai on 08 Nov 2008 - 16:45
macf13nd said,
I've always found Neowin to be more anti-piracy than a lot of sites out there.


Well, I do think that those companies who whine the most about piracy should find out the main reasons behind it. For me, when I was a kid, it had nothing to do with not wanting to pay for the software, it was the fact that I didn't have a decent paying job as a teenager and thus, the software was unaffordable.

If they really do want to counter this problem then I do think that more software companies should come out with education/non-commercial versions of their software. Archicad for example gives away free versions of their software for students - they don't lose any money and they gain students who are proficient in their software. It is a win for the student and a win for the software company.
(1 reply) #5 Islander on 07 Nov 2008 - 16:48
Afortunately there are ways to hide whatever you are downloading via p2p.
#5.1 Mathiasdm on 07 Nov 2008 - 17:09
Islander said,
Afortunately there are ways to hide whatever you are downloading via p2p.

Indeed. Anonymous networks like I2P make it near impossible to find who is uploading or downloading what.

And then there's the huge amount of 'regular' P2P with encryption. Oh, and don't forget to distinguish the illegal P2P from the legal P2P!

Sounds like a Mission Impossible.
(1 reply) #6 KavazovAngel on 07 Nov 2008 - 19:23
So glad we are not in the EU (This will very soon become an EU law)
#6.1 ivanz on 07 Nov 2008 - 20:56
KavazovAngel said,
So glad we are not in the EU (This will very soon become an EU law)


Where did you hear that??? Pure BS. France is going against most EU states, which want to declare internet access an essential service; therefore making it illegal to cut someone off from internet access.
#7 WAR-DOG on 07 Nov 2008 - 20:27
ohh, well.. back to the underground then...
#8 Glassed Silver on 08 Nov 2008 - 00:41
Mhhh... seems democracy works very well again...
wait... what?!

Glassed Silver:win

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