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Mitchell LeBlanc   on 07 November 2008 - 04:05 · 79 comments & 12517 views

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It would seem that President-Elect Barack Obama has already started to usher in change. Today marks the launch of a new website which seems to have the goal of merging the gap between citizen and government.

The website contains a newsroom, blog, and even a section entitled 'agenda', under which lists several sections to browse through the various issues of importance. Selecting one will show what the government of Obama/Biden intend to do and how they intend to do it. There is also a section of the website called the 'American Moment' where visitors may post their concerns, opinions, and hopes for the future.

Change.gov offers a unique way of having citizens become involved in the political system of their country, it is still fairly new and thus we'll have to wait to measure its success.

View: Change.gov

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(3 replies) #1 Marshalus on 07 Nov 2008 - 04:09
Wow, he's really not wasting any time is he. Love it!
#1.1 39 Thieves on 07 Nov 2008 - 04:11
Considering everything he's got to 'change', he's not got much time to spare.
#1.2 Express on 07 Nov 2008 - 06:34
Looks like the site devs were working on this site for quite some time.
I wouldn't expect anyone to built a new site so quickly.
Some of the files on the site have 24 October as the last modified date.
#1.3 Tikitiki on 09 Nov 2008 - 02:48
Express said,
Looks like the site devs were working on this site for quite some time.
I wouldn't expect anyone to built a new site so quickly.
Some of the files on the site have 24 October as the last modified date.


Oh yeh, I'm sure they've been working on it for quite some time
(8 replies) #2 +ispamforfood on 07 Nov 2008 - 04:13
ugh..... God help us.
#2.1 TRC on 07 Nov 2008 - 04:23
Yes. Save us from the whiny crybabies like ispamforfood, please!
#2.2 vetJoel on 07 Nov 2008 - 04:28
ispamforfood said,
ugh..... God help us.

Nope, he ignored you for the last 8 years. Why mess with an improvement?
#2.3 Neoauld on 07 Nov 2008 - 05:09
Joel said,
Nope, he ignored you for the last 8 years. Why mess with an improvement?


he ignores the ppl who vote for bush and mccain
those ppl that are stuck in the early 1900's
#2.4 +ispamforfood on 07 Nov 2008 - 12:34
TRC said,
Yes. Save us from the whiny crybabies like ispamforfood, please!


I see no whining or crying in this post, so maybe you should get your head out of your arse and mind your p's and q's
#2.5 vetmarkjensen on 07 Nov 2008 - 13:00
Because tracking a candidate/President in his efforts to meet the promises he made is somehow a bad idea, worthy of scorn and derision?
#2.6 TRC on 07 Nov 2008 - 17:41
ispamforfood said,
I see no whining or crying in this post, so maybe you should get your head out of your arse and mind your p's and q's


More tears? Go take a nap, you'll feel better.
#2.7 Semental on 08 Nov 2008 - 18:08
Does every post that you make have to be padded with a thick level of self-stroking arrogance? You must have a real self-esteem problem if you can't have a discussion with someone without trying to belittle them.
#2.8 TRC on 11 Nov 2008 - 05:10
Another disgruntled republican I guess.
(3 replies) #3 Bri- on 07 Nov 2008 - 04:15
I have never felt more confident about a presidential candidate in my life. Ever. I've never even felt the urge to vote before Barack, because I have never liked the candidates, trusted them, and most importantly, believed in them. I'm 25 years old, and Nov. 4th, 2008 was the first time I've ever voted. Not only did I feel like I've done the right thing, I felt RELIEVED. I hope I've done the right thing for everyone, not just myself. Please, Barack, keep the security and safety of the American people your first and only priority. The Hollywood mish-mash of bull****ting, name-calling, scandals and mudslinging is over. WE can't afford another letdown.
#3.1 rdburke on 07 Nov 2008 - 06:32
The shag carpeting and black velvet paintings were being ordered for the "Big House" (renamed) as you were voting.
#3.2 39 Thieves on 07 Nov 2008 - 07:16
rdburke said,
The shag carpeting and black velvet paintings were being ordered for the "Big House" (renamed) as you were voting.


Is it hard going through life an ignorant hillbilly racist?
#3.3 Le Master on 08 Nov 2008 - 21:21
39 Thieves said,
Is it hard going through life an ignorant hillbilly racist?


I'm not sticking up for rdburker, but calling others ignorant hillbillies is a slur. To criticize others as racists when your own comments reflect a deep form of bigotry is the basest form of hypocrisy.
(7 replies) #4 Scutley on 07 Nov 2008 - 04:40
we are in for a very long awful 4 years
#4.1 Justin- on 07 Nov 2008 - 04:47
Change feels wonderful, doesn't it? Having half our money stripped away to be wasted by the US Government. Allowing the slaughter of innocent babies. Removing freedom of speech for those who don't agree with you. Can't wait -- change we "need".

Heck, like I heard recently, September 11th was a pretty big change. It just wasn't a "good" change.

I'll always be proud I voted for McCain. I have a great feeling that those who voted for Obama will (eventually) see they've been sorely deceived by who this man says he is and the change he acts like he's bringing that's "good".
#4.2 Neoauld on 07 Nov 2008 - 05:11
Justin- said,
Change feels wonderful, doesn't it? Having half our money stripped away to be wasted by the US Government. Allowing the slaughter of innocent babies. Removing freedom of speech for those who don't agree with you. Can't wait -- change we "need".

Heck, like I heard recently, September 11th was a pretty big change. It just wasn't a "good" change.

I'll always be proud I voted for McCain. I have a great feeling that those who voted for Obama will (eventually) see they've been sorely deceived by who this man says he is and the change he acts like he's bringing that's "good".


mccain and sarah palin sure are winners
i mean..palin didnt know africa was a country...cmon
incompetent team right there..if they cant communicate and run a campaign..how are they gonna run a country
and mccain..losing his temper and looking like hes gonna explode during that last debate..lol..yeah real good vote
no wonder he lost SO BAD
#4.3 Express on 07 Nov 2008 - 06:39
Neoauld said,
palin didnt know africa was a country...cmon


I agree with her. Africa is not a country (and never was a country)!
#4.4 asmodeus on 07 Nov 2008 - 11:14
Express said,
I agree with her. Africa is not a country (and never was a country)!


Despite what Neoauld said, she thought Africa is a country - she was unaware it is a continent.

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#4.5 Fanon on 07 Nov 2008 - 14:14
And Biden thought there were TVs and that FDR was President in 1929. He also told a person in a wheelchair to stand up...
#4.6 hybridr6 on 07 Nov 2008 - 17:06
asmodeus said,
Despite what Neoauld said, she thought Africa is a country - she was unaware it is a continent.



Yea the conservatives vote for people "dumb like me" and people they can "have a beer with."
#4.7 Semental on 08 Nov 2008 - 06:32
I hate to break it to you, but Africa IS NOT A COUNTRY. Africa IS A CONTINENT with many countries on it. If you don't know that, you should not be voting.
(1 reply) #5 +warwagon on 07 Nov 2008 - 04:46
If anyone watched "The Wire" I have a feeling its going to be just like when Tommy' Carcetti became mayor. How he promised change change change. Then got into office and realized just how bad the school system was ****ed up. Now i'm not saying it will be the school system. But it will be something.
#5.1 excalpius on 07 Nov 2008 - 05:12
And he's going to try and fix it. This isn't another Bush here.
(5 replies) #6 LTD on 07 Nov 2008 - 04:59
As long as scholarly sell-outs like Zbigniew Brzezinski play a key (nearly dominant) role in shaping American foreign policy, which as we have seen, certainly impacts domestic policy, expect this hyperbolic love affair with Obama to be shortlived. Then again, the average American probably won't know any better, as evidenced by the 2000 and 2004 elections.

In terms of morale and the dream of the Civil Rights movement, this was a watershed moment. But the fundamental attitudes which for over 30 years have cost America innumerable lives and money (costs which ultimately trickle down to the taxpayer) will likely remain. The American public needs to realize that the United States is a Colonial and Imperial power, the aims of which, have already and will continue to prove destructive and untenable.

Read this:

http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Chessboard-Ame...s/dp/0465027261

This is what your leaders actually believe. It's nothing new, though. This plan and others like it have been in play for over 30 years.
#6.1 excalpius on 07 Nov 2008 - 05:17
To lump Clinton and Obama, for example, with the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld administrations over the past 40 years is to have missed the fundamental movements in American politics. To not know the difference makes it clear you haven't even read the book you are providing a link to.

So how about you stick to your always pro-Mac posts? You're WAY out of your depth in this pond.
#6.2 LTD on 07 Nov 2008 - 11:44
excalpius said,
To lump Clinton and Obama, for example, with the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld administrations over the past 40 years is to have missed the fundamental movements in American politics. To not know the difference makes it clear you haven't even read the book you are providing a link to.

So how about you stick to your always pro-Mac posts? You're WAY out of your depth in this pond.


Wait until the next elections to render your judgments.

Obama hasn't done anything yet. And one of his top advisers is the individual who wrote that book. Also, Rahm Emmanuel, one of Obama's top aides-to-be, is fairly militant in his views. I've love to see what this administration has to offer Palestine.

There have really been no "fundamental movements" in American Politics apart from what's been the standard fare for over 30 years. The attitudes are the same.

The United States invaded Iraq to gain control of one of the major sources of the world’s energy, right in the heart of the world’s energy producing regions, to create, if they can, a dependent client state, to have permanent military bases, and to gain what’s called “critical leverage” I’m quoting Zbigniew Brzezinski here, to gain "critical leverage over rivals", the European and Asian economies.

This sort of international adventurism is nothing new. And it would otherwise be really no cause for complete if we choose to remove the moral issues from the equation - except that the fruits of this adventurism end up costing American lives, burden American taxpayers, and actually create the very sort of terrorism that America is trying to fight.

If we take Brzezinski's ideas (and advice to the State) as a real roadmap of American policy, then we see that very little has changed with respect to the attitudes of political leaders in the US, and with respect to a general population that is very easily led.

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#6.3 jwjw1 on 07 Nov 2008 - 16:43
Chicago Politics will clean up Washington.....LOL
#6.4 rdburke on 07 Nov 2008 - 17:20
Didn't anybody watch the X-Files? The President doesn't run the Country anyway! That 39 Thieves called me an ignorant hillbilly racist! How dare he! LOL
#6.5 excalpius on 08 Nov 2008 - 21:57
LTD, you only show that you know as little about American politics as you do about computers. You are WAY out of your depth if you want to debate ME on the history of American politics.

Again, to lump Carter and Clinton's policies in with Nixon, Reagan, Bush 1 & 2 is to miss the actual causes and effects of the problems you are citing.

And to put Obama in the same category as Bush is to compare "a great Canadian politician of your choice" with that moron Mulroney.
(2 replies) #7 JonathanMarston on 07 Nov 2008 - 05:14
I like the concept behind this site, but I must say I'm skeptical of its actual value. I submitted my "vision" for the country - though I really doubt any of my thoughts will be considered (or even read by anyone), as I happen to disagree with Obama on several points.

I agree with Obama that our country needs a change - its when he talks about "fundamental change" that I get worried. What is it that is fundamentally wrong with our country? Fundamentally, we are still the same country that our fore-fathers imagined, the same country that has come through hardship and adversity, through good and bad economic times, through war and peace, and through everything has shown a resilience and resolve beyond that of any country in recent history.
#7.1 vetmarkjensen on 07 Nov 2008 - 13:02
Fundamental change? Like being a member of the world, rather than a bully?

Stuff like that.
#7.2 JonathanMarston on 07 Nov 2008 - 23:42
markjensen said,
Fundamental change? Like being a member of the world, rather than a bully?

Stuff like that.

First off, how about you look at how much money and man-power our country spends on medical, financial, and physical aid around the world. Hardly a bully. And if you're referring to Iraq, the people there were being murdered by the hundreds of thousands by a dictatorship that we removed. Are you saying they would have been better off if we had left them alone?

Besides, changing diplomatic policy is a policy change, not a fundamental change to the country. Changing the US from a capitalist society to a socialist one - where more faith is put in the power of our country's government than the strength of its citizens - that's the kind of change I'm afraid Obama means.

I'm trying to be optimistic, but I'm just not sure how our country's problems can be fixed by turning it into an Obama-nation...
#8 Hidr0 on 07 Nov 2008 - 05:16
Cheez... bookmark this new!... thats similar to what Chavez did back in '98 when he won the presidency. just that instead of a site he aired a political tv show named "Alo (Hello) President"! ...was an 800 number and pple used to call and talk bout any kind of trouble.... nowadays, there's still the same political tv show but no calls and it last minimum 6 hours (sometimes a lot more) live of pure communist bull**** and crap.
Be careful US with this things... communism is not a game! we're fighting for about 10 years against it but is not that easy once is installed. If Obama becomes too friendly with Chavez you know whats next. (sorry bout my really crappy English)...
#9 Clueless Fox on 07 Nov 2008 - 05:18
at the very least, obama/biden team is more consistent in their approach than mccain/palin. i'd say after 8 years of bush, obama deserves a chance (more so than mccain) to see if he can walk the walk...it's more like after 8 years of republican gov't giving democratic ones a chance.

wish him the best. world leaders are betting on it too.
(7 replies) #10 jwjw1 on 07 Nov 2008 - 05:47
I find it ironic that stocks are falling again right after the election and gun sales are up!....LOL
http://www.google.com/search?q=gun+sales+u...ex=&startPage=1

Florida Gun Sales up Because of Fear of an Obama Presidency
http://mpinkeyes.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/...ama-presidency/
#10.1 Gabe3 on 07 Nov 2008 - 06:10
my bro just got another 40cal S&W, and trying to stock up on 15 size clips before they get banned. He was thinking of getting an AR-15 rifle before they get banned but doesn't want to drop $900 on it, lol.

I'm not surprised Obama won, not mad, just scared for the future.
#10.2 +GreenMartian on 07 Nov 2008 - 13:30
Omg. I'm afraid too. What the hell am I gonna do without guns?!?

Living like any other person out there that don't have guns... Oh the horror! It must be almost as bad as living without Neowin
#10.3 39 Thieves on 07 Nov 2008 - 16:08
GreenMartian said,
Omg. I'm afraid too. What the hell am I gonna do without guns?!?

Living like any other person out there that don't have guns... Oh the horror! It must be almost as bad as living without Neowin


People are buying guns because prices will skyrocket, and those that will have them will be literally sitting on a goldmine. People want to gobble them up in case they are banned, that's the only 'fear' involved in any of this. But this will only be for the more typically restricted types of weapons, such as the AR-15 which was mentioned above. Get it?
#10.4 jwjw1 on 07 Nov 2008 - 16:11
yeah...there are Brave people who will fight for what they have..and then there are others that 'Sleep with the Enemy'
#10.5 jwjw1 on 07 Nov 2008 - 16:19
39 Thieves said,
People are buying guns because prices will skyrocket, and those that will have them will be literally sitting on a goldmine. People want to gobble them up in case they are banned, that's the only 'fear' involved in any of this. But this will only be for the more typically restricted types of weapons, such as the AR-15 which was mentioned above. Get it?


Florida residents, who understand that Barack Obama is against the second amendment, are buying guns before it becomes a crime under an Obama administration.
http://mpinkeyes.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/...ama-presidency/

Get it?
#10.6 hybridr6 on 07 Nov 2008 - 17:13
jwjw1 said,
Florida residents, who understand that Barack Obama is against the second amendment, are buying guns before it becomes a crime under an Obama administration.
http://mpinkeyes.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/...ama-presidency/

Get it?


And Mr. Pinkeye is such a reliable source for information...

I am a beer drinking, pickup truck driving, gun owning, New Hampshirite, and damn proud of it.

http://mpinkeyes.wordpress.com/about/
#10.7 rdburke on 07 Nov 2008 - 17:26
I was a cop for 10 years so just keep denying the the gun issue 39. I'm not saying that we should adopt the wild west way again but you are safer with than without. No more posts on this topic for this ignorant hillbilly racist.
#11 mocax on 07 Nov 2008 - 05:51
dang... the site doesn't render well in IE8....
I've to add it to the "compatibility view" list

I guess some things never change.
(6 replies) #12 sweetsam on 07 Nov 2008 - 06:27
Well for once lets hope the new govt stops throwing money around like candy... like they have a credit card with no limit.
#12.1 +warwagon on 07 Nov 2008 - 06:30
uh we are talking about Obama here lol. Its going to be worse than ever.
#12.2 sweetsam on 07 Nov 2008 - 07:00
Lets hope not...
#12.3 gigapixels on 07 Nov 2008 - 07:27
warwagon said,
uh we are talking about Obama here lol. Its going to be worse than ever.

You do realize that Clinton created a surplus, right? Bush was the one that completely obliterated that surplus with his ridiculous spending.
#12.4 hybridr6 on 07 Nov 2008 - 07:32
gigapixels said,
You do realize that Clinton created a surplus, right? Bush was the one that completely obliterated that surplus with his ridiculous spending.


Yep, and his father went on a spending spree before him. I don't see where people get the idea that Republicans are financially conservative. All they have done in the past 30yrs is spend money on going to war.
#12.5 Jugalator on 07 Nov 2008 - 11:46
There are few things more expensive than going to war.

I forget the figures of how many Space Shuttles I read NASA could launch yearly for the cost of that.
#12.6 hybridr6 on 07 Nov 2008 - 17:00
Jugalator said,
There are few things more expensive than going to war.

I forget the figures of how many Space Shuttles I read NASA could launch yearly for the cost of that.


uhhh? the shuttle does go up more than once a year.

http://www.nasa.gov/missions/highlights/schedule.html
#13 jtherrien on 07 Nov 2008 - 06:54
Cool looking website. Good way to let people know what's going on, and hopefully they can improve things in Washington.

That being said, until I see actual progress, it's all rhetoric by just another politician.
#14 Melfster on 07 Nov 2008 - 07:17
Look this guy is moving as fast as he can. He is very thoughtful and deliberate. I have never seen a politician in last 40 years that has the traits that Obama has. Not Regean, not Bush, Clinton and Bush 43. Republicans in the couple past decade have always left a mess for incoming Democratic presidents. Bush left us in worse shape then any other past President. Obama is going to be extraordinary president and not just because he is black.
#15 TRC on 07 Nov 2008 - 09:01
At the top of the page is a form to enter your email and zip code. Why? Better yet what is this:

http://www.change.gov/page/signup

"Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Etiam sit amet neque consequat dui congue consequat."

OMG he's speaking in tongues!!

This page is funny too: http://www.change.gov/americaserves/plan

"The Obama National Service Plan: Need Content".
(2 replies) #16 badblood on 07 Nov 2008 - 09:02
I don't think it's just America that Obama will be changing. He may have the intentions of making America a great nation again from its own shores, but it's the impact of his appointment that will be felt all over the world. I'm from Belfast, and to be honest the only president that seemed to give a crap was Clinton. He stayed in the Europa Hotel (world's most bombed hotel people) and really got invloved in the peace process here. Not that it made a difference, this country is worse than ever now, economic crisis not withstanding.
The only reason people are scared is because he's a young senator, and dare I even suggest this, who's black. He made a good point in his campaign that judgement is sometimes better than experience. With him being younger, he's got a better opportunity to be able to build America for the future, as he'll be able to communicate with people like me (I'm 28 ) who want to know where they are going to stand in 10 years time (are they going to be debt ridden with a ridiculously high mortgage, is their career going to progress under his policy changes, what standard of living/education will their children have etc).

Last edited by badblood on 07 Nov 2008 - 09:20
#16.1 Jugalator on 07 Nov 2008 - 11:49
Personally, I feel Barack's young age mostly appealing. He wouldn't have got to this position this quickly if he didn't have the political skill to do so, so this is no worry to me. He even went against the grain, being black. Then I'm more negative about "family affairs", with e.g. George W Bush. These may or may not push good presidents, but Obama has no such precedent. So I can then only look at his young age as positive -- it's always biologically better to be young. I'm always worried that 70+ year old farts will have too much hampered mental capacity due to their old age. Sure, they have the experience as a plus, but it's undeniable that the brain suffers too.
#16.2 Semental on 08 Nov 2008 - 07:22
His age has nothing to do with why people "are scared" as you say. People don't like him because of his unfair biases, his enormous spending plans, and his agenda to systematically strip people of their Constitutionally guaranteed Second Amendment rights. I strongly dislike Obama, and comparing him to myself, he is more than twice my age, so to me his is old just like other politicians. I don't care about the age of politicians just as long as they share my values, which McCain was much closer to doing than Obama.
(9 replies) #17 ermax on 07 Nov 2008 - 15:04
When do we get the billboards with Obama's portrait all over the place like you see in all those other great countries like China, Venezuela, Korea and Russia?

Check out this incredibly scary radio interview with Obama from 2001:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOtdbqjDHJI

This may be hard for some of the Kool Aid drinkers to comprehend but basically he says he hates the way our forefathers structured our government. He hates the checks and balances. The interview will shed some light on what Obama considers "Fundamental Change".

Last edited by ermax on 07 Nov 2008 - 15:28
#17.1 hybridr6 on 07 Nov 2008 - 17:02
ermax said,
When do we get the billboards with Obama's portrait all over the place like you see in all those other great countries like China, Venezuela, Korea and Russia?

Check out this incredibly scary radio interview with Obama from 2001:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOtdbqjDHJI

This may be hard for some of the Kool Aid drinkers to comprehend but basically he says he hates the way our forefathers structured our government. He hates the checks and balances. The interview will shed some light on what Obama considers "Fundamental Change".


WOW... bigotry at its best (worst).
#17.2 ermax on 07 Nov 2008 - 19:49
Care to elaborate? Probably not because you have nothing logical to add. I bet you didn't even listen to the recording did you?

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#17.3 TRC on 07 Nov 2008 - 22:59
Not really bigotry, just ridiculous fear mongering.

Last edited by TRC on 08 Nov 2008 - 00:05
#17.4 hybridr6 on 08 Nov 2008 - 00:13
ermax said,
Care to elaborate? Probably not because you have nothing logical to add. I bet you didn't even listen to the recording did you?


Sure, referring to "Kool Aid drinkers" is "code" for African Americans and therefore bigotry. Hope that's clear enough.
#17.5 TRC on 08 Nov 2008 - 01:49
hybridr6 said,
Sure, referring to "Kool Aid drinkers" is "code" for African Americans and therefore bigotry. Hope that's clear enough.


WTF, no it's not. Where did you come up with that nonsense?

Here, this is where the phrase originates:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kool-Aid#.22D...the_Kool-Aid.22

/facepalm
#17.6 hybridr6 on 08 Nov 2008 - 02:00
TRC said,
WTF, no it's not. Where did you come up with that nonsense?

Here, this is where the phrase originates:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kool-Aid#.22D...the_Kool-Aid.22

/facepalm


I haven't heard that phrase used in that manner before. I don't think its too hard to understand why I thought he was being a bigot. If you can't see that then I pity you. I do apologize to the OP if he was using the term to refer to liberal democrats.
#17.7 TRC on 08 Nov 2008 - 02:06
hybridr6 said,
I don't think its too hard to understand why I thought he was being a bigot. If you can't see that then I pity you. I do apologize to the OP if he was using the term to refer to liberal democrats.


Oh, I see. You pity me because unlike you I didn't automatically think of something racist when someone mentions Kool-aid.

Yeah...I think I'll just walk away now.
#17.8 hybridr6 on 08 Nov 2008 - 03:34
TRC said,
Oh, I see. You pity me because unlike you I didn't automatically think of something racist when someone mentions Kool-aid.

Yeah...I think I'll just walk away now.


Usually people just walk away and dont incite more responses by leaving another comment... but anyway given the topic and previous comments its not a stretch for someone to react like I did. Especially not being aware of the terms other usage. So yea sorry for the BS.

l8r
#17.9 ermax on 08 Nov 2008 - 18:16
Anyone that follows politics knows the term "Kool-Aid drinkers". I am far from a bigot. Obama's race has nothing to do with why I don't agree with him.
#18 Commodore Max on 07 Nov 2008 - 15:11
That's pretty fast !
#19 TickleOnTheTum on 07 Nov 2008 - 16:09
As a UK citizen I feel really proud of my American Cousins for having the guts to take a chance on Obama, he promises to bring the USA into the 21st Century, and I hope he does!

Give him a chance and remember that you can't please all of the people all of the time.

PS I'm not saying the UK is better or worse than the USA. We all have our good and bad points.

#20 Mike Frett on 07 Nov 2008 - 16:11
It was only in the voting booth that I decided to vote for my President-Elect Barack Obama. And so far, I love it. You suppose he would let a 30 year old like me join his Civilian Military?. I understand African-Americans (Or, Americans as I call them) are proud; but I voted for him because I was pretty sure he would make things better.

I hope I'm right.
(4 replies) #21 tbcarey on 07 Nov 2008 - 17:53
I think if there's anything that this thread demonstrates, it's that people who voted for McCain did so out of fear; those who voted for Obama did so out of hope. That's the fundamental difference. In the current economic situation and world political stage on which we find ourselves, I feel the latter is much more proactive than the former.
#21.1 ermax on 07 Nov 2008 - 19:58
Fear of what Obama stands for, yes. I didn't vote for McCain in the primarily. I would have rather voted for someone else but wasn't going to vote for someone with an incredibly short and messed up record and just "hope" he changes his direction. I tend to vote with my brain, not my heart.
#21.2 +trag3dy on 07 Nov 2008 - 20:07
tbcarey said,
I think if there's anything that this thread demonstrates, it's that people who voted for McCain did so out of fear; those who voted for Obama did so out of hope. That's the fundamental difference. In the current economic situation and world political stage on which we find ourselves, I feel the latter is much more proactive than the former.


It couldn't ever be because we disagreed with his policies. That's impossible.

I guess disagreement = fear?

I personally did not vote for Obama but now that it's over I'm relieved. I just think that people who are saying change is in the air are jumping the gun a bit. Only time will tell if he lives up to his word or not. In the end he's still a politician.
#21.3 tbcarey on 08 Nov 2008 - 01:54
ermax said,
Fear of what Obama stands for, yes.


Yes, that's precisely what I mean. There is a fear that any action which does not maintain the status quo will have negative repercussions, without taking heed of the tremendously difficult problems we face at the moment, many of which have arisen due to the current adminsitration's follies. In dire times like this (also taking into account that the last Democratic administration left us with a budget surplus) it is my belief that seeking change, rather than similar policy, is the way forward.

I didn't vote for McCain in the primarily. I would have rather voted for someone else but wasn't going to vote for someone with an incredibly short and messed up record and just "hope" he changes his direction. I tend to vote with my brain, not my heart.


In the 'primarily'? Interesting. In any event, I can't see how the alternative of McCain and Palin was much better. The previous lack of change aside, Sarah Palin's significantly short and shockingly poor track record as regards most policy (and simple geographic knowledge) didn't exactly inspire confidence.

In the end, the American people spoke, and I'm glad that many of them voted with their slightly more analytical brains, despite your attempts to belittle their reasoning.
#21.4 ermax on 08 Nov 2008 - 18:27
Hahaha. I meant, primary. Must have been a typo that go fixed up by the spell checker.

Anyways, change can be good but the change Obama wants isn't. I am not just talking about his tax policies. You ether have difficulty thinking "analytically" or you haven't done the slightest bit of research. BTW, watching the boob tube isn't research. I guess you are saying the voting for "hope" is analytical?
#22 bobfastner on 08 Nov 2008 - 02:44
Wow, Obama and Biden are such "Mavericks". I hope people will become more color-blind now and realize he is just another politician. The "Obama youth" and crazy adult adulation should be be documented ala "Triumph of the Will". It's scary to watch. Oh well, maybe he can get the airlines to fly on time like Mussolini did for the trains in Italy.

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