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Sacha   on 21 November 2008 - 03:01, updated 21 November 2008 - 07:29 · 23 comments & 8691 views

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RIM has finally decided to cast away their QWERTY keyboard origins that their phones had been named after, and replace it with a touchscreen version for the Blackberry Storm.

Engadget has posted a review of the new Blackberry Storm that introduces this new innovative touchscreen. The screen is not only capacitive (multi-touch) like the iPhone, but also offers the ability to push in to the screen and create a 'click' action. This technology called SurePress and allows a user to hover over an item before performing a decisive click.

A common problem with touchscreen smart phones was compatibility with existing web pages that use hover events to provide feedback. Up until now, such a smart phone would never see the on hover event, instead creating a 'click' action.

Sadly, it appears that the Storm's Blackberry OS 4.7 is only a small upgrade over Blackberry OS 4.6 to provide touch and multi-touch functionality. This may hinder RIM's chances of competing against the iPhone's touch-centric OS. The review mentions several problems that arise because of touch being an afterthought in the OS.

The review goes on to praise Blackberry's industrial design, stating it is perhaps better built than any of their previous offerings. In competing with the iPhone, the Blackberry shuns proprietary connectors instead opting for a 3.5mm headphone jack as well as a micro USB port.

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(5 replies) #1 C++ on 21 Nov 2008 - 07:35
They aren't "casting away" anything. This isn't even their first QWERTY-less phone. Just the first one to have a touch screen. But in the end of the day, they are still dedicated to QWERTY phones and will continue making them for a long, long time. Business people love the keyboards and you don't bite the hand that feeds you.
#1.1 creamhackered on 21 Nov 2008 - 08:06


Where is the qwerty keyboard on there then? Like the article says, it has been replaced with a touchscreen qwerty keyboard which will never be the same as a hardware one.
#1.2 C++ on 21 Nov 2008 - 08:21
creamhackered said,
Where is the qwerty keyboard on there then? Like the article says, it has been replaced with a touchscreen qwerty keyboard which will never be the same as a hardware one.

The article says RIM "decided to cast away their QWERTY keyboard origins." If you think that releasing one phone without a keyboard qualifies as that, then you need to look up what "cast away" means.
#1.3 Sacha on 21 Nov 2008 - 08:43
I meant cast away for the release of this phone.
#1.4 dimitris on 21 Nov 2008 - 08:59
Time will show us their strategy...
#1.5 MDS187 on 21 Nov 2008 - 18:46
the qwerty keyboard appears when texting when you turn the phone on its side

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDE8e6ZQdC8
(1 reply) #2 Ghost_one on 21 Nov 2008 - 09:58
i can only tell you one thing ......the touch screen is utter crap .... it is without a doubt the worst full touch phone off all the new full-touch series ( iphone , omnia, htc...)

#2.1 Sacha on 21 Nov 2008 - 12:39
How come? I'm curious.
Sensitivity? SurePress?
(1 reply) #3 mclaren05 on 21 Nov 2008 - 11:52
Why can't they make a QWERTY keyboard AND a touchscreen phone?

That would be a dream for me
#3.1 Sacha on 21 Nov 2008 - 12:40
Well you can get that LG Prada with multi-touch + qwerty or go with one of the many single-touch+qwerty offerings from HTC and others.
(3 replies) #4 LTD on 21 Nov 2008 - 12:24
Is it still "innovation" when it's poorly implemented and was a bad idea to begin with?

This is what happens when you just can't let go. Movable parts, i.e., dials, buttons, knobs and such are on the way out, but you're so afraid to move forward that you adulterate a perfectly workable technology with a dying paradigm. LOL, the "touchscreen" on this thing is actually a big button.

They did a much better job with the Bold.

#4.1 Sacha on 21 Nov 2008 - 12:43
Yeah I think it is too early for RIM to be switching to touch-only screens. There's still time left while people sort out the touch-based interfaces. This is what RIM *should* be doing: creating a whole new touch-centric operating system like the iPhones -- for the future.

I'm pretty sure slapping on this update with touch functionality won't be too impressive.
#4.2 LTD on 21 Nov 2008 - 15:49
Sacha said,
Yeah I think it is too early for RIM to be switching to touch-only screens. There's still time left while people sort out the touch-based interfaces. This is what RIM *should* be doing: creating a whole new touch-centric operating system like the iPhones -- for the future.

I'm pretty sure slapping on this update with touch functionality won't be too impressive.


You got it.

I can't speak for HTC or the other non-BB and non-iPhone devices since I have no experience with them, but the iPhone's touchscreen was designed for the UI - it was designed to work perfectly and very smoothly with the software.

What seems to have happened is RIM just slapped on a touch interface, almost as an afterthought, and then for some strange reason thought of those stubby-fingered executives and *assumed* the business community would be scared off by a true touchscreen. Whereas we've already seen that the iPhone, with its full touchscreen is currently the #1 consumer handset worldwide. And it is #2 in US corporate market share, although a distant #2 due to RIMs past entrenchment in this sector.

RIM's research seems a bit off this time in terms of the Storm. Their Bold, however, will sell like crazy.

Then again, I could be wrong, and before you know it, everyone will have a Storm. It is , after all, still a BlackBerry.

Last edited by LTD on 21 Nov 2008 - 15:58
#4.3 whitewings05 on 22 Nov 2008 - 02:46
LTD said,
Sacha said,
Yeah I think it is too early for RIM to be switching to touch-only screens. There's still time left while people sort out the touch-based interfaces. This is what RIM *should* be doing: creating a whole new touch-centric operating system like the iPhones -- for the future.

I'm pretty sure slapping on this update with touch functionality won't be too impressive.


You got it.

I can't speak for HTC or the other non-BB and non-iPhone devices since I have no experience with them, but the iPhone's touchscreen was designed for the UI - it was designed to work perfectly and very smoothly with the software.

What seems to have happened is RIM just slapped on a touch interface, almost as an afterthought, and then for some strange reason thought of those stubby-fingered executives and *assumed* the business community would be scared off by a true touchscreen. Whereas we've already seen that the iPhone, with its full touchscreen is currently the #1 consumer handset worldwide. And it is #2 in US corporate market share, although a distant #2 due to RIMs past entrenchment in this sector.

RIM's research seems a bit off this time in terms of the Storm. Their Bold, however, will sell like crazy.

Then again, I could be wrong, and before you know it, everyone will have a Storm. It is , after all, still a BlackBerry.


C&P makes a smart phone smart.
Bearing a badge that looks like a certain red fruit doesn't make it smart.
The iPhone is hype and more hype.
Think about it, Palm OS operates the exact same way the iPhone does, but was it ever king of the hill in such a massive way the iPhone is?
Hype dude. Hype.
oh btw, Palm OS had C&P.
(5 replies) #5 Ghost_one on 21 Nov 2008 - 12:42
the touchscreen has low sensitivity and now way to adjust it , the SurePress sometimes fails ..., and the technology is like the Iphone wich means you cant use a stylus if you wanted too ..only your fingers.. the menu is in such way made that only a person with very small thumbs could operate it ....
#5.1 Sacha on 21 Nov 2008 - 15:34
There are capacitive-friendly stylus. I know a friend who bought an ordinary stylus for their iPhone and was ****ed that it didn't work. Heh. Don't fret because they do exist though.

That sucks about the sensitivity, though I'm sure it could be improved through a firmware update somewhere down the track? Also, SurePress not so Sure?

Makes this product sound like it's a fail already.
#5.2 LTD on 21 Nov 2008 - 15:39
Sacha said,
There are capacitive-friendly stylus. I know a friend who bought an ordinary stylus for their iPhone and was ****ed that it didn't work. Heh. Don't fret because they do exist though.

That sucks about the sensitivity, though I'm sure it could be improved through a firmware update somewhere down the track? Also, SurePress not so Sure?

Makes this product sound like it's a fail already.


Styluses (is that how your write the plural?) won't work because the iPhone's touchscreen is sensitive to heat (from your finger), not pressure.

And tbh, styluses are antiquated when it comes to these kinds of devices.
#5.3 Angry_Badger on 21 Nov 2008 - 16:34
LTD said,
Styluses (is that how your write the plural?) won't work because the iPhone's touchscreen is sensitive to heat (from your finger), not pressure.

And tbh, styluses are antiquated when it comes to these kinds of devices.


Thats not true, it doesn't detect heat at all, it detects conductivity. A conductive stylus would work fine:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1324
#5.4 Sacha on 21 Nov 2008 - 16:39
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Check this out. They work. You just need the special kind. I think it's actually to do with eletricity and not heat.
#5.5 LTD on 21 Nov 2008 - 16:52
Angry_Badger said,
LTD said,
Styluses (is that how your write the plural?) won't work because the iPhone's touchscreen is sensitive to heat (from your finger), not pressure.

And tbh, styluses are antiquated when it comes to these kinds of devices.


Thats not true, it doesn't detect heat at all, it detects conductivity. A conductive stylus would work fine:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1324


And it's such a basic concept, too. I'm ashamed to have missed it!

I stand corrected, sir.
(1 reply) #6 naap51stang on 21 Nov 2008 - 14:35
I'm old school. Grew up on the old Palm interface...graffiti. My current phone, HTC Touch Pro, which has both a hardware keyboard & touch screen. I use an indestructible screen protector, and I'm faster using graffiti than I am trying to use a keyboard, for SMS messages. On long emails, I'll sometimes use the keyboard.
#6.1 FixedBit on 21 Nov 2008 - 19:34
naap51stang said,
I'm old school. Grew up on the old Palm interface...graffiti. My current phone, HTC Touch Pro, which has both a hardware keyboard & touch screen. I use an indestructible screen protector, and I'm faster using graffiti than I am trying to use a keyboard, for SMS messages. On long emails, I'll sometimes use the keyboard.


I have the Touch Pro too, but I have problems as do many others with the chrome paint coming off the phone. I have already had the phone replaced and its in Sprints info already to replace phones with chrome chipping on the spot.

That is the reason I do not install screen protectors or the like, because these phones cant be repaired for us, just swapped with another.
#7 Digix on 21 Nov 2008 - 23:51
Just remember alongside this there's the RIM bold for people who still want the physical keyboard as such.

as for quality, not even apples touch screen is perfect and responsive. so it's really just as all would assume with touch technology at the moment.

On a side note does anyone know compatible these are with macs/os x at all when it comes to software/syncing or anything ?

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