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Engineering Windows 7 : Disk Space

Chaks   on 21 November 2008 - 06:34, updated 21 November 2008 - 07:33 · 41 comments & 13736 views

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Windows disk space consumption has trended larger over time. While not desirable, the degree to which it's been allowed is due in large part to ever-increasing hard drive capacity, combined with a customer need and engineering focus that focused heavily on recover ability, data protection, increasing breadth of device support, and demand for innovative new features. However, the proliferation of Solid State Drives (SSDs) has challenged this trend, and is pushing Windows 7 to consider disk "footprint" in a much more thoughtful way and take that into account for Windows 7.

The disk "footprint" refers to the total amount of physical disk space used by Windows and with Windows 7 it's likely that the system footprint will be smaller than Windows Vista with the engineering efforts across the Windows 7 team which should allow for greater flexibility in system designs by PC manufacturers.

Ever wondered why the Windows SxS directory (%System Root%\winsxs) in your Vista is occupying more disk space? E7 blog has come up with an explanation about the Windows SXS directory and why it consumes huge disk space.

With all the hard work going into Windows 7 it should truly be a fit and finish release over what we saw with Windows Vista.

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(10 replies) #1 barteh on 21 Nov 2008 - 07:39
not really news....
#1.1 Benjo85au on 21 Nov 2008 - 07:46
barteh said,
not really news....


It's news to me. Had no idea they actually cared about the disk footprint. Or that they were working on it. Impressive.

Regardz

#1.2 creamhackered on 21 Nov 2008 - 08:02
#1.3 sweetsam on 21 Nov 2008 - 08:05
There is always someone trying to act cool around here. If its not news to you then move on. Why bother posting a comment ?

Last edited by sweetsam on 21 Nov 2008 - 15:36
#1.4 barteh on 21 Nov 2008 - 11:49
I wouldnt say its acting cool?
I, like most people have over 1TB of disk space (as mentioned above hard disks are becoming cheaper by the day).
It wouldnt bother me if the OS took up 2gb or 10gb.
#1.5 spacer on 21 Nov 2008 - 12:58
barteh said,
I wouldnt say its acting cool?
I, like most people have over 1TB of disk space (as mentioned above hard disks are becoming cheaper by the day).
It wouldnt bother me if the OS took up 2gb or 10gb.

Uh, "most people" do not have 1TB of disk space.
#1.6 SniperX on 21 Nov 2008 - 14:15
creamhackered said,

Dear Neowin, do we really need to have image responses in the news comments? I can understand them in the forums, but in the news comments, they're just tiresome.

Begin predictable response of multiple images now...
#1.7 Airlink on 21 Nov 2008 - 15:09
#1.8 Shadrack on 21 Nov 2008 - 15:49
barteh said,
I wouldnt say its acting cool?
I, like most people have over 1TB of disk space (as mentioned above hard disks are becoming cheaper by the day).
It wouldnt bother me if the OS took up 2gb or 10gb.


Wow. You obviously didn't RTFA because the change in direction has to do with the new desire for SSD technology which is (at this time) more expensive per byte than HDD.
#1.9 GP007 on 21 Nov 2008 - 23:10
It's mostly the new SSD market BUT that is also part of the bigger push in netbooks. MS is losing share in netbooks. And those come with smaller SSD drives.

It's simple, if you can run full Win7 Ultimate on a netbook with a 1.6Ghz CPU, and 1GB of ram on a 16 or 32GB SSD and have it run great, then MS has a big foot back into the netbook market.

And so far, Win7 seems to be holding up in that regard. And we're just at pre-beta stage.
#1.10 Tikitiki on 22 Nov 2008 - 07:11
SniperX said,
Dear Neowin, do we really need to have image responses in the news comments? I can understand them in the forums, but in the news comments, they're just tiresome.

Begin predictable response of multiple images now...


Just to make sure your prediction came true

(6 replies) #2 / -Razorfold on 21 Nov 2008 - 08:18
Ever wondered why the Windows SxS directory (%System Root%\winsxs) in your Vista is occupying more disk space? E7 blog has come up with an explanation about the Windows SXS directory and why it consumes huge disk space.


Mine shows up as 0 bytes, even though the folder is filled with stuff lol.

Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 x64 here
#2.1 Chaks on 21 Nov 2008 - 09:14
Mine is currently 10.6 GB in my Vista Ultimate SP1 x64
#2.2 Beastage on 21 Nov 2008 - 12:38
Razorfold the reason is security permission, vista doesn't calculate used disk space in admin folders, are you getting the permission dialogue when viewing that folder?
#2.3 / -Razorfold on 21 Nov 2008 - 14:10
Beastage said,
Razorfold the reason is security permission, vista doesn't calculate used disk space in admin folders, are you getting the permission dialogue when viewing that folder?


Hm strange =/ I just checked it again and now it shows about 10gb haha
#2.4 whitewings05 on 21 Nov 2008 - 15:23
/ -Razorfold said,
Hm strange =/ I just checked it again and now it shows about 10gb haha


and strangely mine shows up as 6.40GB..
#2.5 magik on 21 Nov 2008 - 16:52
14.3 GB
#2.6 Pierreken on 23 Nov 2008 - 12:30
/ -Razorfold said,
Hm strange =/ I just checked it again and now it shows about 10gb haha


On some systems it can take some time before it starts calculating the total size. Mine's around 12GB. Reading the article now cuz I'm curious where they got all this data from
(3 replies) #3 Sacha on 21 Nov 2008 - 08:42
I don't see the problem with Windows having a large footprint as long as 1) that version doesn't intend to be run on netbooks and 2) that extra space isn't loaded in to RAM or causing any bloat effects. Disk space is cheap now.
#3.1 Andrey on 21 Nov 2008 - 09:01
just because you don't see it as a problem doesn't mean it's not a problem. Good thing you don't work for a software company.
#3.2 +Kirkburn on 21 Nov 2008 - 10:32
Sacha ... except Windows 7 /is/ intended to be run on netbooks, all versions.
#3.3 +Dakkaroth on 21 Nov 2008 - 17:59
Buh-dum tss!
(3 replies) #4 Osiris on 21 Nov 2008 - 10:13
Well of course Windows 7 is already going to use less diskspace or take up a lesser disk footprint because they have made alot of the peripheral services downloads....so if the user chooses to add them they accept the heavy disk footprint....but the outset Win7 install will be smaller from than Vista from this and thus MS can chalk up a victory and all the MS haters can say "see Vista was full of bloat blah blah blah" Love Vista, Love blondes, Love Windows 7, suck it trolls.

I so agree with the guy above, as long as its not loading itself to RAM who gives a toss, each version of Windows adds more and more features, why you would expect it to take less room is beyond me. not to mention the massively reduced cost of disk drives parallel to their increasing storage capacities "ohh no my 1TB (nearly standard) disk drive is being taken up by 15GB for windows, wah wah microsoft is the devil"
#4.1 skynetXrules on 21 Nov 2008 - 11:17
Osiris said,
Well of course Windows 7 is already going to use less diskspace or take up a lesser disk footprint because they have made alot of the peripheral services downloads....so if the user chooses to add them they accept the heavy disk footprint....but the outset Win7 install will be smaller from than Vista from this and thus MS can chalk up a victory and all the MS haters can say "see Vista was full of bloat blah blah blah" Love Vista, Love blondes, Love Windows 7, suck it trolls.

I so agree with the guy above, as long as its not loading itself to RAM who gives a toss, each version of Windows adds more and more features, why you would expect it to take less room is beyond me. not to mention the massively reduced cost of disk drives parallel to their increasing storage capacities "ohh no my 1TB (nearly standard) disk drive is being taken up by 15GB for windows, wah wah microsoft is the devil"

if you have one
doesnt mean that all of us have TB HD or that it is so cheap

the last time i installed vista it become so pigged down about 25GB+ for windows alone and that with both paging and S4 state in windows disabled
#4.2 Osiris on 21 Nov 2008 - 13:26
skynetXrules said,
if you have one
doesnt mean that all of us have TB HD or that it is so cheap

the last time i installed vista it become so pigged down about 25GB+ for windows alone and that with both paging and S4 state in windows disabled


Yes exactly, I assume everyone on the planet has one because I have one...oh wait I dont have one...but last time I arranged and ordered Dells for our work the standard option was 500GB...Windows 7 is due out in 2010...do you not think 1TB will become standard for new computers, and thus the standard for most desktop computers come 2009/2010?

Actually dont anwer that I have very little concern for the opinions of ppl who are afforded such large diskspace and still windge of Windows taking up such a small percentage of that. I simply implore you to vacate the Windows market and go have you wine with a serving of linux or mac for that matter.
#4.3 / -Razorfold on 21 Nov 2008 - 14:12
skynetXrules said,
Osiris said,
Well of course Windows 7 is already going to use less diskspace or take up a lesser disk footprint because they have made alot of the peripheral services downloads....so if the user chooses to add them they accept the heavy disk footprint....but the outset Win7 install will be smaller from than Vista from this and thus MS can chalk up a victory and all the MS haters can say "see Vista was full of bloat blah blah blah" Love Vista, Love blondes, Love Windows 7, suck it trolls.

I so agree with the guy above, as long as its not loading itself to RAM who gives a toss, each version of Windows adds more and more features, why you would expect it to take less room is beyond me. not to mention the massively reduced cost of disk drives parallel to their increasing storage capacities "ohh no my 1TB (nearly standard) disk drive is being taken up by 15GB for windows, wah wah microsoft is the devil"

if you have one
doesnt mean that all of us have TB HD or that it is so cheap

the last time i installed vista it become so pigged down about 25GB+ for windows alone and that with both paging and S4 state in windows disabled


25gb+ wth? Where do you get this number from? My windows folder is 18gb. Winsxs takes up 10gb so my windows folder is in reality only 8gb.
#5 Soldiers33 on 21 Nov 2008 - 11:09
cool. last time i tried windows 7 it took up 10gb, which is a bit too much imo.
(4 replies) #6 reed1 on 21 Nov 2008 - 12:29
XP Sp3 only occupy 3 GB !
#6.1 Sem82 on 21 Nov 2008 - 14:59
xp sp3 fresh install only takes around 1.2GB while i fresh vista install uses around 8-10Gb
i dont see what vista brings that make it 3 times the size
#6.2 vetneufuse on 21 Nov 2008 - 16:46
Sem82 said,
xp sp3 fresh install only takes around 1.2GB while i fresh vista install uses around 8-10Gb
i dont see what vista brings that make it 3 times the size


Uh hard linked files in the SxS folder that arn't really taking up the space at all? It's just counting file sizes twice or more which there is only one file there using that space once...
#6.3 rm20010 on 22 Nov 2008 - 03:10
You know Vista bundles more apps than XP, right? Also consider that you never have to insert your Vista disc ever again after you install the OS, since all languages (and fonts) and any optional components have their sources located on the HD. Can't say the same for XP.
#6.4 / -Razorfold on 22 Nov 2008 - 18:07
the hibernation file takes up some space the winSxS folder takes up a good amount of space. All the fonts, languages, optional extras take up space...
#7 Esvandiary on 21 Nov 2008 - 14:22
I'm reading the comments and can't help but wonder if anyone actually read the article... :s
(5 replies) #8 +techbeck on 21 Nov 2008 - 15:34
Who really cares about how much HD space files/software takes up any more. HDs are cheap and non expensive so its not that big of a deal. I can get a 1tb drive for $100...
#8.1 vetneufuse on 21 Nov 2008 - 16:46
techbeck said,
Who really cares about how much HD space files/software takes up any more. HDs are cheap and non expensive so its not that big of a deal. I can get a 1tb drive for $100...


Uh good for you, but for those that are moving to SSD drives where 128GB cost almost $1,000 for a good one... and 64GB drives are $300 for a medium range one, space is more then you might think
#8.2 +techbeck on 21 Nov 2008 - 17:52
neufuse said,
Uh good for you, but for those that are moving to SSD drives where 128GB cost almost $1,000 for a good one... and 64GB drives are $300 for a medium range one, space is more then you might think


Then thats your fault. Be smart like the rest of us and wait until SSDs drop in price. It will probably happen sooner than you think. Its common sense, dont buy anything unless you know its going to do what you want. If Vista is to much for you, install XP or Linux.
#8.3 undu on 21 Nov 2008 - 20:18
techbeck said,
Then thats your fault.
No, start using your common sense and read the article first before replying, Microsoft wants to reduce the hdd footprint BECAUSE of SSDs, and not because people complainng.
#8.4 +techbeck on 21 Nov 2008 - 22:06
undu said,
No, start using your common sense and read the article first before replying, Microsoft wants to reduce the hdd footprint BECAUSE of SSDs, and not because people complainng.


Did I say it was because of people complaining? Stop putting words in my mouth. I stated I didnt know what the big deal about space was and that includes SSDs. They are not very popular yet because of the cost, so big deal. They will get cheaper.

Windows 7 will be smaller, but I am sure someone will bitch about the size anyway.
#8.5 +Kirkburn on 22 Nov 2008 - 20:00
techbeck, are you suggesting Microsoft develop for current tech, rather than future tech ... for a future release?

Netbooks already use SSDs. And they are only going to fall in price as more people use them. If everyone waited like you, then we'd never start using them in the first place.
(1 reply) #9 smooth_criminal1990 on 21 Nov 2008 - 17:24
small disk footprint = more room for programs and that... Sounds good to me!
#9.1 RAID 0 on 22 Nov 2008 - 18:42
smooth_criminal1990 said,
small disk footprint = more room for porn... Sounds good to me!


FTFY ;-)

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