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Brad Sams   on 17 December 2008 - 14:37 · 37 comments & 12415 views

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Microsoft is moving full steam ahead with its newest browser IE 8. In a world once dominated by IE, Microsoft is now finding stiff competition. Firefox and now Chrome are starting to take a serious bite out of Microsoft's market share.

IE 8 which was shown off in its RC 1 flavor and shown to be feature complete. This means that Microsoft has locked down the code to new features and will only focus on refining and polishing its product.

Many of the features that were expected are still present including private mode, enhanced search functions, keyboard navigation and adaptive zoom. A few things were left out that are disappointing include javascript rendering enhancements and CSS compatibility.

The browser is still a solid advancement for the IE platform despite the lack of some features the competitors already incorporate. With the new browser one must wonder if it's too little to late; can this new browser regain the lost market share IE once held?

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#1 pasty2k2 on 17 Dec 2008 - 15:27
Well if this is anything like the beta I run at home to go by, I cant wait!
(11 replies) #2 LTD on 17 Dec 2008 - 15:28
Has it improved with respect to Web Standards?
#2.1 Avi on 17 Dec 2008 - 15:30
"IE8 RC1 scores 12/100" (on ACID 3)...
#2.2 simon360 on 17 Dec 2008 - 15:35
Wewt!

Acid 3 is important, but Acid 2 is the most important of the acid tests imo. All browsers now pass that.

Having IE pass Acid 2 means the CSS handling is much improved, and pretty close to consistent across browsers. No test can single handedly determine a browsers standards support, but Acid 2 covered a lot of the CSS2 specification. Acid 3 is more of a Javascript test, and tbh I haven't had many JS inconsistency problems, especially since I started using jquery which handles them accordingly.

That being said, IE8 will be the only major browser not to score over 90 on the Acid 3 test. Its rendering time is, for lack of a better word, embarrassing. And if you don't develop websites, don't comment on that, because you probably won't be hit by it.
#2.3 vetmarkjensen on 17 Dec 2008 - 15:35
Avi said,
"IE8 RC1 scores 12/100" (on ACID 3)...

Don't you think you are being a bit biased? Later in the article it clearly states
that number increases to 21/100 in IE8, if the window is left open for an extended period of time (several minutes).
So leaving the browser open to try rendering several minutes can nearly double the performance on ACID3.

Impressed?

Me neither. IE7 apparently scores the same 12/100 (not sure if IE7 experiences the many minute delay and jump, or if that is one of the improvements made in IE.
#2.4 Digix on 17 Dec 2008 - 16:53
markjensen said,
Don't you think you are being a bit biased? Later in the article it clearly statesSo leaving the browser open to try rendering several minutes can nearly double the performance on ACID3.

Impressed?

Me neither. IE7 apparently scores the same 12/100 (not sure if IE7 experiences the many minute delay and jump, or if that is one of the improvements made in IE.


On 7 5956 here, ie8 in native standards mode got 12 on acid3 and in ie7/old rendering style it got a 6
#2.5 +Kirkburn on 17 Dec 2008 - 17:22
Avi said,
"IE8 RC1 scores 12/100" (on ACID 3)...

And, as has been stated so many times: that was not an aim of IE8, nor is it the be-all and end-all of standards testing.

Acid3 does not focus on testing CSS 2.1, which is what was much improved in IE8.

If you want to see Acid3 improvements, wait for IE9.
#2.6 Co_Co on 17 Dec 2008 - 18:49
Avi said,
"IE8 RC1 scores 12/100" (on ACID 3)...

ie8 rc1 actually scores 21 on acid3

wait for it to jump from 12 to 21
#2.7 vetmarkjensen on 17 Dec 2008 - 20:01
Co_Co said,
ie8 rc1 actually scores 21 on acid3

wait for it to jump from 12 to 21

Perhaps you missed the very first several words of the ACID 3 test page? You know, where it says
To pass the test, a browser must use its default settings, the animation has to be smooth...
Waiting a few minutes to have it suddenly un-freeze from whatever code was jammed up is not a "pass", no matter how much you care to spin it.
#2.8 +dead.cell on 17 Dec 2008 - 21:52
simon360 said,
Wewt!

Acid 3 is important, but Acid 2 is the most important of the acid tests imo. All browsers now pass that.

Having IE pass Acid 2 means the CSS handling is much improved, and pretty close to consistent across browsers. No test can single handedly determine a browsers standards support, but Acid 2 covered a lot of the CSS2 specification. Acid 3 is more of a Javascript test, and tbh I haven't had many JS inconsistency problems, especially since I started using jquery which handles them accordingly.

That being said, IE8 will be the only major browser not to score over 90 on the Acid 3 test. Its rendering time is, for lack of a better word, embarrassing. And if you don't develop websites, don't comment on that, because you probably won't be hit by it.


Very informative. Thanks.
#2.9 PsykX on 17 Dec 2008 - 23:48
Well now that Acid 1, 2 and even 3 are quite "old", I believe it is a must for a browser to pass all of these perfectly.

Having just 12 for a test like that is really atrocious. I would say the same for 50, but 12? I don't have enough words in mind to explain how much it blows, especially for a beta of something that will be released eventually. I think Opera, Safari and Firefox betas all pass the test already. There's no way to explain a 12.

Why work on CSS 2.1 while you don't even respect CSS 1.0 and 2.0 standards ?
#2.10 kth6 on 20 Dec 2008 - 14:50
IE7 dosen't even pass ACID2. Just wonder why big MNCs and a lot of sites still use IE to deliver their content, it isn't a 100% MS windows/IE world...

The best part of IE is the longest list of vulnerabilities, eats your time the best, imminent crashes, takes time to load a new tab (WTF? not instantly!), Active-X hell and it goes on and on. Most browsers have at least 2x+ less problems than IE.
#2.11 nulian on 07 Jan 2009 - 10:35
IE 8 RC1 still gets 21 points the wait is only 5-10 secs on the slow pc i'm on and the smooth comment is about the complete rendering not about hanging when you only do like 20% of the test.
(2 replies) #3 LTD on 17 Dec 2008 - 15:40
So this leaves me to ask the REAL question here:

Are revised Web Standards unreasonable to satisfy in a timely fashion?

Moreover, how should we define "timely"?
#3.1 shakey_snake on 17 Dec 2008 - 15:52
Given that Acid 3 was released to the public shortly after it was announced IE8 would pass Acid 2, I would say that you have to give the IE team at the very minimum one entire development cycle, probably two.

No one is shipping (aka has completed) a browser that passes Acid 3 yet, which is exactly why that blitz of news about Webkit and Wingogi 7-8 months ago was mostly pointless BS.
#3.2 kth6 on 20 Dec 2008 - 14:52
The IE team makes Web standards look bad in IE8. I believe web standards should be adheared strictly like it's the law of the browsers and net. What i hate more that non web standard compliant browser is BS sites that use broken code and IE is the only one that can render it properly, these sites should just die!
#4 ripgut on 17 Dec 2008 - 16:11
I'll pass and stick to FF
(5 replies) #5 Manuroc on 17 Dec 2008 - 16:14
Chrome is not taking a serious bite out of IE's market share...
#5.1 ajua on 17 Dec 2008 - 16:18
Manuroc said,
Chrome is not taking a serious bite out of IE's market share...

That's what i thought when reading the article.

I'm a Firefox user but i think IE8 will be very good.
#5.2 Marshalus on 17 Dec 2008 - 16:57
ajua said,
That's what i thought when reading the article.

I'm a Firefox user but i think IE8 will be very good.


I agree.
#5.3 hotdog963al on 17 Dec 2008 - 17:33
It should be! I find it at least double the speed of any other browser. Down with lag, Down with Lag!
#5.4 Avi on 17 Dec 2008 - 22:53
hotdog963al said,
It should be! I find it at least double the speed of any other browser. Down with lag, Down with Lag!
Yet...
#5.5 ncg on 18 Dec 2008 - 10:53
hotdog963al said,
It should be! I find it at least double the speed of any other browser. Down with lag, Down with Lag!


Then you have yet to try Firefox 3.1, Opera 9.62, Opera 10 alpha and Google Chrome 1.0
#6 Airlink on 17 Dec 2008 - 17:16
FAIL!
#7 Soldiers33 on 17 Dec 2008 - 17:19
2009? thats too long i want too try it now.
(1 reply) #8 Glendi on 17 Dec 2008 - 17:47
Does IE 8 take much CPU memory? Did they improve that?
#8.1 Beastage on 17 Dec 2008 - 17:59
On par with the rest IMO, I tried them all, they all sit at about 100MB for 2 tabs of normal websites.
(1 reply) #9 Mathachew on 17 Dec 2008 - 18:14
A few things were left out that are disappointing include javascript rendering enhancements and CSS compatibility.


What? WHAT? Maybe I'm missing something, but that should be the top priority, unless it's ACID 3 related stuff changes....
#9.1 +Kirkburn on 17 Dec 2008 - 19:51
Mathachew said,
What? WHAT? Maybe I'm missing something, but that should be the top priority, unless it's ACID 3 related stuff changes....

The quote is mostly false: they are two things that the IE team certainly worked on (JS and CSS 2.1).

Not to the extent of the other browsers, but they are tied by having to work with an older product and supporting older websites.
#10 arcadefx on 17 Dec 2008 - 18:34
IE8 will hopefully make a dent in the IE6 developed websites. Of course they can use those meta tags to force compatibility (IE7 mode). Being a web developer, I cannot wait until IE6 goes away.

I like FF3, Opera and Chrome.
#11 +Somnus on 17 Dec 2008 - 21:59
I am hoping that IE8 is better than IE7 and a decent addon that blocks ads and removes all the whitespace.

Firefox is great, but the Awesome Bar is anything but, and it doesn't look like there will be option of going back to the old way without the use of extensions that really don't work like FF2 used to.

So.. I am looking to switch browsers after 4 years of Firefox, as it is going in a direction that I simply don't like and FF2 support is ending shortly.
#12 Nexx295 on 17 Dec 2008 - 22:44
Does anyone else have tons of issues with RC1? I had to uninstall it, Beta 2 is much more stable. RC1 crashed every few minutes and caused other applications which use IE to display the content to throw out some messed up content.
(1 reply) #13 osm0sis on 17 Dec 2008 - 23:19
google images causes a crash for me every now and then.
#13.1 ncg on 18 Dec 2008 - 11:03
Probably a "feature" =)
Say doesn't google use web standards?
#14 Justin- on 18 Dec 2008 - 00:43
Have they fixed PNG's with transparency to the point where if they're on the page moving around it won't be it super slow?

There's so many things IE needed to fix and hope (though doubt) they've fixed. I have their developers Virtual PC with IE8 Beta 2 and honestly didn't find anything to be all that excited about in my limited testing of it. And a 12/100 on the Acid3 test?! Come on ...
#15 +techbeck on 18 Dec 2008 - 15:44
Looks just like IE7....

Regardless, havnt used IE for years an wont use it a gain.
#16 C_Guy on 19 Dec 2008 - 16:17
Ha ha ha ha! Is this joke-of-the-day?

In a world once dominated by IE...
Oops! IE still has the largest browser share!!!

...Chrome [is] starting to take a serious bite out of Microsoft's market share.
Please! I almost spit coffee all over my screen I was laughing so hard! People deserve more credit than that! Chrome isn't even a blip on the radar.

can this new browser regain the lost market share IE once held?
The simple answer is No. Microsoft can't have the market share it had before because the EU would jump down their throat and accuse them of more crimes they didn't commit. Besides that, the biased anti-Microsoft people need options. FF had to be good enough to lure people away from IE, people aren't going to keep switching back and forth.

IE8 will be a great upgrade for all existing IE users.

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