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RIAA to stop suing users, cuts them off instead

Andrew Lyle   on 19 December 2008 - 19:02 · 58 comments & 11282 views

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RIAA has reached an agreement to stop suing individuals who continue to share music illegally, but will cut your internet connection off instead.

The decision was reached with ISP's to send a warning letter to individuals who have been suspected or caught by the RIAA, who will set up P2P listening posts to catch individuals and submit their information to their ISP. After 2 or 3 warnings, your ISP will slow your internet connection, and if a user continues to share music illegally, they will be shut off for good.

RIAA has sued more than 35,000 people since they began operations in 2003, which was very costly to the music industry and time consuming. Only a handful of ISP's have signed deals with the RIAA to help fight piracy, while others remain undecided or not interested.

This change to the RIAA, from the regular subpoena, settle or sue process, will make finding users through their IP address much easier and can bring more users down who continue to illegally download.

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(1 reply) #1 +techbeck on 19 Dec 2008 - 19:06
Only took almost 6 years for the RIAA to realize they are losing money and its not worth suing individuals...not to mention that a bunch of people they sued didnt even download anything...idiots.
#1.1 leesmithg on 19 Dec 2008 - 20:17
techbeck said,
Only took almost 6 years for the RIAA to realize they are losing money and its not worth suing individuals...not to mention that a bunch of people they sued didnt even download anything...idiots.



yes indeed. I don't know how many times I have moaned that the losers should go after the i.s.p's.

File sharers, music and movie sharers will end up being blacklisted by all i.s.p's, they are like insurance companies, eventually they will hear your name applying for a new i.s.p and they won't take you.
(4 replies) #2 lylesback2 on 19 Dec 2008 - 19:10
the RIAA has never successfully sued a single alleged file sharer whose the case went to trial.
#2.1 -Vivicidal- on 19 Dec 2008 - 22:14
Source? If that's true, I am gob-smacked!
#2.2 lylesback2 on 20 Dec 2008 - 00:10
-Vivicidal- said,
Source? If that's true, I am gob-smacked!

You should be able to track that on google. If you look into the top cases, you'll see that they were all called a mistrial, or settled out of court.
#2.3 n_K on 20 Dec 2008 - 13:51
lylesback2 said,
You should be able to track that on google. If you look into the top cases, you'll see that they were all called a mistrial, or settled out of court.

I'm sure it was on neowin when that single mother had to pay over $200,000...
#2.4 Fred Derf on 22 Dec 2008 - 01:16
n_K said,
I'm sure it was on neowin when that single mother had to pay over $200,000...

It was reversed.

Judge Declares Mistrial in RIAA-Jammie Thomas Trial
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/09/n...or-publica.html
(2 replies) #3 afusion on 19 Dec 2008 - 19:11
They will never find them.

As long as they take music away from their shared folder it's inevitable.
#3.1 DARKFiB3R on 19 Dec 2008 - 19:22
What?
#3.2 kravex on 20 Dec 2008 - 17:54
Master Yoda, is that you?
(2 replies) #4 beardedwonder on 19 Dec 2008 - 19:42
So no need for proof, they just have to send you a few warnings and thatīs it. Would love to see this go to court, after their complete imcompetance i canīt see this working out for them.
#4.1 jameswjrose on 19 Dec 2008 - 21:00
beardedwonder said,
So no need for proof, they just have to send you a few warnings and that?s it. Would love to see this go to court, after their complete imcompetance i can?t see this working out for them.


I was just thinking about this issue. It is "guilty" without due process. I understand that I am being a little dramatic, but for many of us having net access is part of our job. What happens when the RIAA is wrong about the IP address, or the ISP is incorrect about the time frame and I didnt have the IP address when they said I did. A few screw ups and a person is without access.

I'd like to believe that a phone call to the ISP would clear things up, but it won't. They'll believe the RIAA regardless of the facts. I'm glad they stopped sueing... but this is still not the solution. The solution is for record labels to die and for artists to sell music directly. Record Labels = Evil bank loan (IMO)

Peace,
James
#4.2 MaJoR on 20 Dec 2008 - 08:08
That's the point. As someone has already pointed out, the law threw out a majority of their cases. So if the law isn't on your side, you just find a way to make your own rules. Guilty until proven innocent and make it impossible to be proven innocent: the RIAA model of justice.
(5 replies) #5 XeonBuilder on 19 Dec 2008 - 19:49
Somehow I don't see a bunch of ISPs lining up to cut off their users as well as the cashflow users supply.

Duh...
#5.1 tripleXit on 19 Dec 2008 - 21:44
Well since pretty much all users are engaged in filesharing, I don't see ISPs cutting off all their customers, it would be business suicide.
#5.2 dwarhya on 19 Dec 2008 - 22:44
what are you talking about. Most people buy music etc legally. People who believe that they can share files illegally should be disconnected
#5.3 nevann on 20 Dec 2008 - 00:22
dwarhya said,
Most people buy music etc legally


Yeah, alright
#5.4 +Smigit on 20 Dec 2008 - 02:52
I'd say most people now days both buy and download content and then at either end you have users that exclusively do one or the other. Since the RIAA would be after anyone that downloads content illegally but that'd be a lot of users.
#5.5 Divide Overflow on 20 Dec 2008 - 03:05
Smigit said,
I'd say most people now days both buy and download content and then at either end you have users that exclusively do one or the other. Since the RIAA would be after anyone that downloads content illegally but that'd be a lot of users.

QFT.

Speaking as someone who has an extensive collection of music, hates the RIAA and still hates Metallica (Napster, BAD!), I can say that buying [Edit: DRM free] music online is better in several respects. It's fast. I literally have an entire song in a few seconds. On a file sharing network. . the song can take hours to download if there aren't many sources. Typically for a decent quality file this is the case (Why do people share 128k CBR garbage?). I can't stand anything under 192 CBR. . which leads me to quality. Everything I download from Amazon is VBR averaging at around 256kbps. I love it. The price, while it could be cheaper, it doesn't break the bank for me to purchase a handful of songs for for a few bucks. For the convenience and quality, 89 or 99 cents is worth it to me.

Last edited by Divide Overflow on 20 Dec 2008 - 03:14
#6 soldier1st on 19 Dec 2008 - 19:58
and if they cut you off the ISP looses money which they dont want so i doubt this new tactic will work.
#7 Blauwvoet on 19 Dec 2008 - 19:59
If it should have depended from the RIAA, the the War against Germany could never be won. Think of that.
The only thing they wanna do is filling their pockets. Ask them how much they pay in due to the artists for their work.
If an artist tryes to start his own musiclabel he is emediatly bought up by the big musiccompanies, so they can fill their pockets, on the musicians b
(3 replies) #8 perochan on 19 Dec 2008 - 20:05
this wont work. cut off = no service = switch ISP = ISP loses money. ISP wants to keep users, not cut them off.
another stupid move from RIAA.
#8.1 ricknl on 19 Dec 2008 - 20:45
How many ISPs are there in your region? Only two, here in NY. Cable or ADSL. The Uniteds States is not like Europe, where you'd have loads of ISPs serving one region.
#8.2 +dead.cell on 19 Dec 2008 - 21:20
That's a pretty good point. Regardless, the ISPs don't want to cut their cashflow.

What may in fact begin happening is that the people that download a LOT, you know, the bandwidth hogs, will probably be targeted if anything.
#8.3 +Smigit on 20 Dec 2008 - 02:55
Another potential thing that could happen too is that some ISP's could potentially share a blacklist of users which would limit further user signups. Not that that would happen but given the before noted cash flow problems that causes.
#9 -Hiroshi- on 19 Dec 2008 - 20:14
Better than wasteing money to sue everyone.. doing what you should do.
(2 replies) #10 Foub on 19 Dec 2008 - 20:20
Well, so much for due process. Who needs civil rights anyways, especially when they get in the way of business.... [rollseyes]
#10.1 Recon415 on 19 Dec 2008 - 21:13
Foub said,
Well, so much for due process. Who needs civil rights anyways, especially when they get in the way of business.... [rollseyes]


+1
#10.2 +dead.cell on 19 Dec 2008 - 21:22
Well said, unfortunately.
(3 replies) #11 vetneufuse on 19 Dec 2008 - 20:38
I love how it says "and if a user continues to share music illegally" yet does virtually nothing for downloaders *LOL*
#11.1 lylesback2 on 19 Dec 2008 - 20:43
neufuse said,
I love how it says "and if a user continues to share music illegally" yet does virtually nothing for downloaders *LOL*

It is not about "download" but "uploading", like the Canadian Laws
#11.2 Recon415 on 19 Dec 2008 - 21:18
Oh phew, that's a real lifesaver for me... I never upload, my ISP has it to where I get 1/10th my download speed in upload. But here's a tactic for a lot of uploaders, why not just use a private tracker like Torrentleech or Demonoid!? It seems to keep the RIAA away.
#11.3 Foxfyre on 20 Dec 2008 - 04:21
Private trackers, direct downloads....so many other ways to do it. When is the RIAA going to learn that most people don't leave Kazaa up and running with all their files visible anymore?
(1 reply) #12 Soldiers33 on 19 Dec 2008 - 20:52
so techincally its legal to download, but illegal to upload?
#12.1 lylesback2 on 19 Dec 2008 - 23:18
Soldiers33 said,
so techincally its legal to download, but illegal to upload?

Technically no. They can still pin you in other countries for downloading, but it is illegal to share (upload) in Canada.
(1 reply) #13 Tanshin on 19 Dec 2008 - 21:07
For some reason, this reminds me of when Bush was monitoring people's phone lines. This isn't going to last, pure violation of privacy I'm sure.
#13.1 +dead.cell on 19 Dec 2008 - 21:23
Welcome to the 21st century.
(1 reply) #14 on 01 Jan 1970 - 00:00
#14.1 +dead.cell on 19 Dec 2008 - 21:17
TRIPLE KILL POST!!!
#15 duneworld on 19 Dec 2008 - 22:19
Has this got anything to do with that lawyer (can't remember his name) from some big US university (can't remember which one) deciding to challenge the civil actions?
#16 Shadrack on 19 Dec 2008 - 22:33
I'm having a hard time seeing how this is going to be worthwhile for ISPs to cut off paying customers.
(1 reply) #17 darkpuma on 19 Dec 2008 - 22:44
Why would someone pay for an ISP who slows their internet connection? lol RIAA = FAIL.
#17.1 InsaneNutter on 24 Dec 2008 - 12:08
darkpuma said,
Why would someone pay for an ISP who slows their internet connection? lol RIAA = FAIL.


No better alternatives about?
#18 ajua on 19 Dec 2008 - 22:50
So, leechers will be safe, lol
#19 miguel_montes on 19 Dec 2008 - 23:34
RIAA sucks. Fortunately I don't live in the US.
(1 reply) #20 cardg on 19 Dec 2008 - 23:52
We need Free Wifi Network User/P2P-Based "Clouds" as soon as possible to protect freedom in the internet!
#20.1 Midgetman on 20 Dec 2008 - 00:48
cardg said,

We need Free Wifi Network User/P2P-Based "Clouds" as soon as possible to protect freedom in the internet!


Whilst i would love this - Wifi pretty much anywhere at no cost , there will always be some prick who will abuse it and ruin it for others. aka torrenting obscene ammounts of stuff and making the connections unusable for everyone else for one example
#21 Raa on 20 Dec 2008 - 00:10
So instead of the RIAA trying to sue ISP's, they're going to make a move so the USER will try and sue the ISP.
(Wrongful claim of downloading anyone? And you know it's happened, and WILL happen)
#22 +zhiVago on 20 Dec 2008 - 00:39
I wonder if MPAA will do the same.
#23 Airlink on 20 Dec 2008 - 04:06
Another f-ing stupid move by the RIAA. Man they're thick. What do they think the ISPs will want in exchange for cutting off their paying users? You know, the subscribers who pay to subscribe (and no, there isn't any other kind). So, let's say you're an ISP and some record executive says to you "Hey, it'd be really nice if you'd cut off all these here paying customers of yours just because we say they are bad, bad, evil filesharing downloaders. You know, they guys who pay you money each month. Yeah, cut them off please!" What are you going to respond with?

a) No.
b) Hell no.
c) Go to hell.
d) How much are you going to pay me to do this?

If you answered (d), congratulations. An evil RIAA executive with a bag of cash will be headed your way soon, just as soon as he can figure out a way to make a profit out of giving you money.*

People, stop buying RIAA's crap products already: It's the only way to kill the RIAA.

*NOTE: May involve lawyers. Offer not available in states with sane copyright laws. Your experience may vary. See RIAA for details.
(2 replies) #24 mocax on 20 Dec 2008 - 05:47
Users paid subscription for the month
ISP detects users engaging in illegal filesharing
ISP cuts users off, no refunds because users violated EULA
ISP frees up bandwidth to sign more users.
Good users gets more bandwidth.

That's not a bad thing, that's a good thing.
#24.1 nunjabusiness on 20 Dec 2008 - 06:31
QFT.

Wait till someone masquerades with your IP and they come a knockin'
#24.2 excalpius on 20 Dec 2008 - 22:05
mocax said,
Edited to show how the absurdity of your position breaks down...

Users paid subscription for the month of PHONE SERVICE
PHONE COMPANY detects users engaging in [alleged/suspected/unproven] illegal ANYTHING
PHONE COMPANY cuts users off etc.

That's not a bad thing, that's a good thing.


REALLY? Do you see the distinctions? The similarities? The Internet is just a medium for the transportation of INFORMATION between two parties, just like the MAIL or TELEPHONE service.

In our society, "Illegal" actions are to be dealt with by DULY AUTHORIZED LAW ENFORCEMENT...period. And the medium cannot and should not be held accountable or responsible for the actions (pro or con) if the human beings using the neutral system.
(1 reply) #25 APH-Alex on 20 Dec 2008 - 06:42
What authority does the RIAA have though?
#25.1 excalpius on 20 Dec 2008 - 11:19
None. The ISPs have no obligation whatsoever to do this, for the same reason the phone company can't turn off your phone just because you are using it for good or evil purposes. The transmission medium is not legally responsible for ANY users' actions.

The medium is NOT the message.

Last edited by excalpius on 20 Dec 2008 - 19:02
#26 Logizomechanophobic on 20 Dec 2008 - 23:58
This post is not correct. The RIAA is still very much in the business of sueing single mothers, people without computers, and the deceased.

Read here: http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot....859189661357526

RIAA claim not to have filed new cases "for months" is false

According to a report on Wired.com, the RIAA spokesman claims that the RIAA has not filed any new lawsuits "for months"; according to the Wall Street Journal report the RIAA stopped filing mass lawsuits "early this fall"; and the Associated Press was apparently told that the RIAA had stopped bringing new lawsuits in August.

Being very familiar with the RIAA's penchant for "misspeaking", even when under oath, I investigated the matter a bit, and learned that a large number of suits have been brought by the RIAA quite recently, one as recently as this Monday.
#27 cork1958 on 21 Dec 2008 - 11:23
These brain dead retards at the RIAA are just so greedy, they can't even see the obvious right in front of their own faces.

Sell your crap online and at a reasonable price, and just maybe, some people would quit file sharing.

Personally,
I can't remember the last time I bought a cd, but I DO NOT use any file sharing program, P2P or bittorrent. That is just toally unecessary!
(1 reply) #28 NetRolller 3D on 21 Dec 2008 - 18:15
AFAIK the problem is that "artists don't get paid". But here is a little problem: The RIAA is making millions of $ via the lawsuit campaign. No artist has ever seen a cent from that money - it all stays within the RIAA.
#28.1 excalpius on 24 Dec 2008 - 05:15
"Well, you know, it costs money to bring those lawsuits"...ahem.

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