The former CIO at Diskeeper has filed a lawsuit claiming that his work forced him to take Scientology training courses, in order to keep his job at Diskeeper. Alexander Godelman and Marc Le Shay were both dismissed at their job for refusing to participate in a training course titled "Basic Study Manual", where both employees were told that they would be more intelligent and his personal life would improve drastically.Godelman filed a complaint with the Los Angeles Superior Court, stating that Scientology training was a condition of employment, and their refusal to take part in the training session, lead to their dismissal. Godelman was told that his presence at the training courses was "not negotiable", from Diskeepers CEO and Chairman, Craig Jensen
Five causes of action had been filed in the complaint, three of which violate California state laws by dismissing a person for religious discrimination. Diskeepers response to the matter was a motion filed to strike portions of the plaintiff's complaint.
I wont give my money to a company that supports a cult and an evil one at that.
Count me in on that as well.
Count me in on that as well.
Ditto! Those Scientologists are a bunch of wackos! I read an article in Time magazine some years ago about them, and the journalist who wrote it was followed and threatened by some from the cult. That's just creepy, man.
Everything possible must be done to not support that megacult
I oppose religion in general, so obviously forcing it upon others is completely unacceptable. It also doesn't help that Scientology is one of the least tolerable "religions".
Last edited by theyarecomingforyou on 21 Dec 2008 - 19:36
Theres religion and then theres "religion".
Scientology has a very messy record of pushing people into that religion. Lawsuits against anyone who criticizes them.
If anyone remembers, "Chef" in south park was a Scientologist, and he has quit his job because south park created an episode that criticized them.
And now this?! They really are the worst kind of cult.
I oppose religion in general, so obviously forcing it upon others is completely unacceptable. It also doesn't help that Scientology is one of the last tolerable "religions".
"Last Tolerable" or "Least Tolerable"? Had an aquaintance who left, it's a pure money extraction organization. If you need your life that structured, join the military and do something useful with your time.
+1
No more diskeeper.
That was a typo... obviously I meant "least tolerable".
Theres religion and then theres "religion".
I'm pretty sure there's just "religion" =P
Im not even going to download them any more... with the risk of any of that stuff watching my machine...
Wow, too bad I already purchased DK 2008. No more.
+1
No more diskeeper.
I mean, the reason all those celebrities are there, is because they get a crapload of money from it, I guess as a thank you for tricking more people into thinking it's something "cool". These tricked people are the true funders of Scientology, as they form the pyramid's base.
I mean, the reason all those celebrities are there, is because they get a crapload of money from it, I guess as a thank you for tricking more people into thinking it's something "cool". These tricked people are the true funders of Scientology, as they form the pyramid's base.
No, brainwashing is *definitely* involved.
What an original quote! Right on his front page to say the least
The full unedited quote is
"Whatever you do, help others to convert to the same pyramid brainwashing scam I was too stupid and weak-willed to avoid being taken in by."
Also when i mentioned perfect disk huge price difference to the diskeeper sales rep he told me perfect disk lies and gives false results in a very angry voice and then hung up...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskeeper_Cor...y_and_Diskeeper
This makes me sick! As much as I hate all religion, I have now decided Scientology is the worst! It is dangerous!
I will never use Diskeeper products now!
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I might just go and buy PerfectDisk (competing product) right now.
NO defragger is worth paying for anyway. That's just about as stupid as this guys tactics!!
Hubbard did start his own religion, calling it the "Church of Scientology," and it has grown into an enterprise today grossing an estimated $100 million a year worldwide. His churches have paid him a percentage of their gross, usually ten percent, and stashed untold riches away in bank accounts in Switzerland and elsewhere under his and his wife's control. Surrounded by aides who cater to his every whim, he reportedly lives on church-owned property, formerly a resort, in Southern California.
Scientology is one of the oldest, wealthiest-and most dangerous-of the major "new religions" or cults operating in America today. Some of its fanatic operatives have engaged in burglary, espionage, kidnapping and smear campaigns to further their goals. Says Assistant US. Attorney Raymond Banoun, who directed a massive investigation that resulted in conspiracy or theft convictions of nine top Scientology officials in Washington, D.C., last October "The evidence presented to the court shows brazen criminal campaigns against private and public organizations and individuals. The Scientology officials hid behind claims of religious liberty while inflicting injuries upon every element of society."
Read more at the link. It's an old article, but kinda worth reading.
http://www.lermanet2.com/scientologynews/ReadersDigest.htm
I'm sure the masterminds behind many other religions said similar things, there was just no one around to record it.
When I was young, my parents took me to church often. I never remember there being any sort of "start up fee".
The Mormons SAY you don't have to tithe, but they even come to your house to "see if you are okay" on a regular basis, just to subconsciously keep pressuring you to tow the line (in every way).
The Mormons SAY you don't have to tithe, but they even come to your house to "see if you are okay" on a regular basis, just to subconsciously keep pressuring you to tow the line (in every way).
I wouldn't know, I'm not Mormon.
/Lutheran
The Mormons SAY you don't have to tithe, but they even come to your house to "see if you are okay" on a regular basis, just to subconsciously keep pressuring you to tow the line (in every way).
Mormonism is a cult as well. Countrary to belief , it's very hard to make a living by leading a legit Christian church. There are much easier ways to make money.
To put it plain and simple: By buying Diskeeper you support the Scientology creeps.
I think at least a few people were aware of it. One other mentioned above that Microsoft should pull their agreement with Diskeeper.
O&O Defrag Professional (both 32 bit and 64 bit). Good bit of kit for keeping the drives defragged.
EDIT: Never type while you are tired.
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Also, I have yet to see a feature in a for-pay defragger that was worth paying for. Free solutions like jkdefrag and Ultimate Defrag and even Defraggler are every bit as powerful and effective.
On another note. I do wish the "writers" at NeoWin were required to take a rudimentary writing course before being allowed to post anything. I mean, really! "... both employees were told that they would be more intelligent and his personal life would improve drastically." Come on now, "they - his" ... which is it?
If you are going to just copy and paste someone else's article and then change the subject of a sentence, you have to get the possessives changed too. It would also be nice to get the gist of the story right in the first place. The headline "Two fired for not becoming Scientologists" is 50% incorrect.
Did you actually read (and comprehend) the article you copied from?
Apparently, LeShay was actually fired for refusing to take the course and Godelman was fired because he stuck up for him. Nowhere does it say they were told they had to become scientologists.
Also:
"led to their dismissal."
"by Diskeeper's CEO and Chairman, Craig Jensen."
"Five causes of action have been filed in the complaint"
My god, if you had written something like this in my 6th grade writing class, you would have received (at best) a "D," probably out of pity. Why bother doing anything other than just posting a link to the actual article if you aren't actually going to do any work on it?
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Did you actually read (and comprehend) the article you copied from?
Apparently, LeShay was actually fired for refusing to take the course and Godelman was fired because he stuck up for him. Nowhere does it say they were told they had to become scientologists.
If you know anything about Scientology, you'll know that the brainwashing (yes, correct word in every sense of the word) starts with this or the communication course. Their cult member boss wouldn't have let them get away with not doing mroe courses afterwards. I wouldn't be surprised if these two people were stalked and harassed for sayung no.
You know, only in America could a corporate executive think he could get away with crap like this. I'm surprised Alexander Godelman and Marc Le Shay can't press criminal charges for violations of their civil rights. Isn't Freedom Of Religion supposed to be a basic human right in the US?
That's it, I'm starting my own religion and moving to the US, where (aparantly) you can do any damm thing you want to so long as you say "It's my religion" or "National Security"
:throws a shoe at Bush:
PS. Oh, and I'm joining the boycot.
You know, only in America could a corporate executive think he could get away with crap like this. I'm surprised Alexander Godelman and Marc Le Shay can't press criminal charges for violations of their civil rights. Isn't Freedom Of Religion supposed to be a basic human right in the US?
That's it, I'm starting my own religion and moving to the US, where (aparantly) you can do any damm thing you want to so long as you say "It's my religion" or "National Security"
:throws a shoe at Bush:
PS. Oh, and I'm joining the boycot.
Why, oh why, must sad little people like you use any excuse they can to bash the United States? There is no relevance whatsoever. I suggest you spend more time developing a point, and less time searching frantically for a way to slide in a childish jab.
Pathetic.
Pathetic.
Well, when US has officially declared CoS as a religion and UK officially declares it as a cult (and as such has NO protection under any laws to do with religion) then perhaps it is an easy target for ad hominem attacks. Doesn't mean that they aren't deserved, however.
someone make a list of competing products please.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defra...tation_software
Which for-profit company, Diskeeper or Scientology?
Hey guys, what's going on?!?!
i use linux anywayz so no need of defragging here.
Of course it's extreme. People got fired for not taking part in the cult.
Of course it's extreme. People got fired for not taking part in the cult.
Pathetic sounding it may be, but taht's because you've actually heard stuff about it. The average joe who gets suckered in to it only heard what the conmen (i.e. scientologists) have to say about it.
It's not funny, they're a murderous cult
Was his name, Uncle Slippy Fist?
I hear that at Diskkeeper they don't do job interviews, instead they just hook applicants up to an E-meter.
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Agreed, I switched some time ago when Diskeeper created tons of versions and jacked all the prices.
Hit up Perfectdisk and use the code "Holiday" for 25% off the rest of the year and get a free upgrade to their next release (PerfectDisk 10).
Good product, good price, and Scientology free (as far as we know).
....and F U Tom Cruise!!!!
oh, and i've sent in a technical report asking for my money back. think it will happen? probably not, but i at least let them know how i feeel
I use O&O myself, due to the massive changes in versions and the last Diskeeper I owned was version 9.
ProPremier was their best version for home and office, if you have lots of partitions as I do, but from 1997 - 2006 they had 2 upgrades IMMS (6 to
They also went form Home, Pro, Server to extra versions, like ProPremier, EnterpriseServer, Administrator...and so on.
The cost is very expensive indeed I could buy two decent sized Hard Drives for the cost of Diskeeper Pro Premier.
Well one of the main reasons to use these types of softwares is to extend the life of your disk.
Boy if this is true, Talk about mud in the face of Diskkeeper. What are they, another Amway?
I think one of the above comments really got it right: While we should be mad at Jensen, the majority of our rage should really be directed at scientology. They've become frighteningly good at brainwashing people.
And yes, boycott his products. It may be the only way he gets the message.
http://www.diskeeper.com/aboutus/aboutus.aspx --> http://www.craigjensen.com/humanitarian.html
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1. Scientologists actively proseletyze. (Not exactly news; so do Jehovah's Witnesses.)
2. Scientology does not believe in worshipping the Supreme Being. (This alone sets them against the older and more extablished cults; no worship of the Supreme Being?)
3. Churches of Scientology are, in fact, little different outwardly from other churches in other cults.
4. Unlike most other cults, Scientologists are urged to marry non-Scientologists. (Again, most other cults grow their number the REALLY old-fashioned way; by births into the cult.)
5. The vow of poverty is not even unique to Scientology (how do you think the Vatican got its fortune seeded?).
In short, all of the *sins* that Scientology commits are also commited by other cults/religions (the one real problem that Scientology has, as opposed to every other cult, is that in Scientology, there is no worshipping a Supreme Being).
I'm not a Scientologist (I'm actually an agnostic that was raised Roman Catholic); however, looking at Scientology purely objectively (which apparently few in Neowin are able to do), they aren't really that different from all other cults except for the lack of symbolism in Scientology (sensible, as aside from that one rather large difference, their apocrypha are pretty darn similar to those of other cults).
Forcing your religion on others is *wrong*, plain and simple. (What the religion is is irrelevant, in and of itself.) However, the smaller and less-established cults (not just Scientology, but Hare Krishna, the Unification Church, the Coptic Christians, Buddhism, etc.) are *always* going to be scorned and attacked just because they are *different* (white money/pink monkey). In that sense, whacking Scientologist just because they are Scientologists makes as much sense as lumping together all the various sects of Islam; basically, none at all.
The Catholic church (like a couple of other religion) is not perfect but at least they are trying to follow the correct path, other religion simply are scam, asking for money and giving nothing but a false promise of a "good afterlife".
It is actually a sad state of affairs for those following the movement; they are victims turned aggressors.
So yeah, hating Scientologists just because they are doesn't make sense. However, deeply resenting the principles of this organization based on their past and current practices does make sense.
So no, Scientology is not attacked due to it being different; it is attacked for its life-corrupting practices, which has a tremendous impact not only affecting Scientologists as individuals, but, to an even more dangerous extent, also their friends and relatives.
BTW - Found these blog entries and found them amusing:
http://www.deusexmalcontent.com/2008/12/se...-candidate.html
http://www.deusexmalcontent.com/2008/12/mo...round-2-be.html
But, afaik, Mormon are not forcing employee to be part of their cult, not at least in a widely open and visible way.
There was something I rad while ago that Scientology paid these high profile celebs in Scientology by starting them off at a high level, from what I gather Scientoloy is like a pyramid marketing scheme the higher up the pyramid the more $$$ you got.
Anyhow I don't have any diskeeper software on my pc, other than what Windows came with I use O&O defrag.
I took an E-meter test in the '80s at a Scientology center, course the results weren't released to me unless I paid out some $$$ first, don't remember the amount also it was required to buy the Dianetics book.
It's a scam.
http://www.lermanet2.com/scientologynews/ReadersDigest.htm
One big scam. Why this has not be closed down I don't know.
Two reasons: Scientology seeks protection under the "religion" clause and because they're prepared to sue the pants off anyone who tries to motion against them.
I stand by what I have said elsewhere: "In my opinion, any religion that has trade secrets or sues over copyright infringement, is a cult."
Having said that, one would think that scientologists might have penetrated the RIAA, MPAA and AFACT?
At those who compared scienology to other religions; The biggest reason for concern about Sci. is the fact that the system operates as a huge pyramid scheme, where it becomes a fight to include more members (get more people to pay), in order to somehow get back what you have invested.
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