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Can Microsoft's mobile browser take on the competition?

Chaks   on 22 December 2008 - 01:51 · 25 comments & 5973 views

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With the pending 2009 release of Internet Explorer Mobile 6, Microsoft is making a major change in its approach to the mobile Web.

In November Microsoft announced a package of emulator images, which developers can add to Visual Studio 2005 or 2008 to test applications, including IE Mobile 6, for Windows Mobile 6.1.4. Here's what you can expect in the new mobile browser:
  • A full HTML rendering engine, based on the code from the older version of the desktop browser, IE 6.
  • Support for Adobe Flash Lite 3.1,to improve multimedia experience (by contrast the Safari browser in Apple's iPhone currently lacks Flash support,but supports Scripting and CSS).
  • Enhanced Script and AJAX support (Jscript v5.7 from IE8)
  • The ability to quickly shift from a site's mobile page to its standard desktop version.
  • Layout fixes to accommodate a mobile screen (text wrap)
  • Deeper integration with search
  • User interface improvements,Web search integrated with the browser's address bar, multiple levels of zooming and touch (but not multi-touch as with the iPhone) with support for panning.
For some observers, this is not the cutting edge of the mobile Web. In part, that's because Microsoft remains focused not on the new browser war but on the mobile operating system war.

Underneath the current IE Mobile browser is the old IE4 code, with its own unique set of bugs making web browsing in IE Mobile a miserable experience.It supports a fewer Web standards than the latest desktop browser, Internet Explorer 7 and requires some muscular hardware resources: 128MB of RAM, and a 400MHz processor, according to Microsoft. Nor will it be available as a separate product: the operating system on the handheld has to be reflashed to support the new browser, so Microsoft will partner with device makers and mobile operators to supply it.

But even with the improvements and the benefits cited by Microsoft in its forthcoming major release,end users have a growing number of alternatives, from vendors who are pushing mobile innovation far ahead. These include two different mobile browsers from Opera Software with touch friendly PAN/Zoom Interface, Firefox for Mobile ("Fennec") from Mozilla, the browser with the Open Handset Alliance's Android mobile OS (separate from Google's Chrome desktop browser), the Nokia browser for Symbian-based phones, and server-based browser introductions from Skyfire and Bitstream.

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(8 replies) #1 simon360 on 22 Dec 2008 - 03:38
A full HTML rendering engine, based on the code from the older version of the desktop browser, IE 6.
Are you kidding me? Webkit and Presto can run in full on a mobile, and Microsoft is suddenly bringing the POS every web developer has wanted gone for at least 5 years... back. WTF?

I'm not going to support it, and neither will a lot of web developers. Why? I can live with a few CSS hacks, but I need transparent PNG's. And I doubt the mobile IE6 will support the PNG hacks which utilize directx.

Last edited by simon360 on 22 Dec 2008 - 03:44
#1.1 The_Decryptor on 22 Dec 2008 - 03:48
At an absolute minimum it should be using the IE7 code as it's base, since it's a 2009 release they should be using IE8.

MS aren't going to win back the mobile web by including a sub-standard product.
#1.2 bobbit on 22 Dec 2008 - 03:58
Exactly. Heck, if they are including the AJAX technology "from IE8", then why not just include the rendering engine too? Would probably be easier to integrate, too.
#1.3 simon360 on 22 Dec 2008 - 04:17
The only thing this shows me is that Microsoft's Internet Explorer team couldn't code good code if their life depended on it. There's no reason that the IE8, or at least the IE7, engine couldn't run on a phone. Webkit can do it. Presto can do it. Gecko can do it. what gives, MS? Biggest software company in the world can't code?

Either keep your pity (and pitiful) code, or give the users something they could actually use. Until then, my iPhone is where I'm staying, and that's where I'll develop my mobile apps thank you very much.
#1.4 RealFduch on 22 Dec 2008 - 08:50
simon360
Microsoft is suddenly bringing the POS every web developer has wanted gone for at least 5 years... back.

Why do you like IE4 so much??
#1.5 simon360 on 22 Dec 2008 - 16:39
IE6 is better, sure. But not by much, that's the problem. They might as well not do it at all as far as I'm concerned.
#1.6 cybertimber2008 on 23 Dec 2008 - 02:19
Actually... ironically... WM5's browser (IE4?) supported PNG transparences when IE6 for Desktop didn't. I still find THAT sad that the mobile browser got it first. Hopefully it still does support it.
#1.7 Ledward on 23 Dec 2008 - 14:21
Actually, Presto (in the form of Opera Mobile 9.5) is buggy and has seriously messed up font rendering and WebKit (in the form of Iris) also has font rendering problems, fits to screen poorly and is the slowest browser you have ever used in your life (which is not that much different to the iPhone one, to be honest).
#1.8 The_Decryptor on 29 Dec 2008 - 11:03
I think crappy font rendering is just a Windows Mobile thing*, Fennec is going to use Freetype due to deficiencies.

* And Windows Desktop too :p
#2 SoulEata on 22 Dec 2008 - 04:46
Skyfire www.skyfire.com FTW
(1 reply) #3 kingroach on 22 Dec 2008 - 04:51
IE6 is out already ( in cooked HTC touch hd rom released by modaco) and soon coming to other devices..
#3.1 EKS on 28 Dec 2008 - 17:49
My HTC touch HD has a IE that reefers to itself ( Via agent string ) as IEMobile 7.11 )
I was unable to find a about dialog... Browser if very good, at least as good as opera 9.5 .

(1 reply) #4 Mikee4fun on 22 Dec 2008 - 05:12
No way with IE6 on WMO Devices. It the biggest pyle of crap. Opera and Skyfire blow it away. I have cooked it in to one of my custom wmo 6.1 roms and it is very slow in rendering and very laggy. Also it is not designed for qvga WMO devices so you really need a VGA device to use it. I agree Microsoft should release a IE8 adapted for WMO. Microsoft please test your mobile browsers before releasing in the future. Besides that I still like WMO, I will never touch an iPhone/GayPhone
#4.1 Davo on 23 Dec 2008 - 01:57
The GayPhone would be amazing.
(1 reply) #5 guruparan on 22 Dec 2008 - 07:43
Maybe in windows mobile 7 they should include full browser (IE8 seems to be good enough compared to IE6 & IE7)....
#5.1 bobbit on 22 Dec 2008 - 08:26
By the time WM7 is out, IE9 will either be out or close to it most likely...

Hopefully by then the might have learned something and include their most recent browser and hopefully it's decent.

Oh, who am I kidding. IE5 for WM7!
#6 Intelman on 22 Dec 2008 - 08:14
Can Microsoft make a Desktop browser to take on the competition?

Not so sure. The yellow bar is hideous. Firefox is quite extensible. Chrome is simple clean and quick.

I have no faith for the mobile space.
#7 LTD on 22 Dec 2008 - 09:58
The problem isn't just IE Mobile, it's the current state of Windows Mobile as a whole.

Last edited by LTD on 22 Dec 2008 - 13:01
(1 reply) #8 Jugalator on 22 Dec 2008 - 13:02
Crappity crap, I thought we had got rid of Trident 6. :-(

Drop it Microsoft, PLEASE. Let the web community MOVE ON.

I can't imagine how many man hours lost on making the web backwards compatible with IE 6 these days.
#8.1 cyberdrone2000 on 22 Dec 2008 - 19:44
Jugalator said,
I can't imagine how many man hours lost on making the web backwards compatible with IE 6 these days.


On average, I spend ~2-3 hrs extra per site testing and ensuring compatibility with IE 6. It used to be a lot more, too before I had gathered a complete set of scripts and tools for testing and debug.

What bugs me the most is a particular error related to modifying the DOM tree before the page has fully loaded. IE7 fails gracefully. IE6 pops an error message saying something to the effect of "This page contains errors and has stopped loading" (even when the page has visibly fully loaded). It then redirects to a blank page and leaves no chance for debugging.

IE6 FTL.
(1 reply) #9 Digix on 22 Dec 2008 - 15:33
they really should just make new mobile browser from scratch on webkit.
#9.1 LTD on 22 Dec 2008 - 16:04
Digix said,
they really should just make new mobile browser from scratch on webkit.


+1
(2 replies) #10 Airlink on 22 Dec 2008 - 20:19
Aw Crap.

I want the HTC Touch Pro because the hardware is great and the slide-out keyboard in combination with a touch screen can't be beat for a human interface... but now I learn that it comes with Windows Moronic OS.

Meanwhile, there's the iPhone*, which ( I must admit) has, unlike WinMOS, a not-retarded OS, but no actual keyboard because the Cult Of Apple has decreed that thou shall not have real keyboards on thine cellular phone, lest ye be cast into the pit of Microsoft to slowly roast at an intolerable eternity until you reach an internal temperature of WinME 7.0 (or until you break down and buy an iPhone, whichever comes first.)

Will someone PLEASE just make a phone that has an actual keyboard attached to it and then keep it the heck away from Microsoft? Yes, I know about the Blackberries, and no I don't want to use their keyboard. If only RIM make a blackberry with a slide-out keyboard :sigh: Or Palm. Why the fark doesn't Palm make a PDA with a keyboard and a cell phone built into it? Auuuugggg!

I'm in cell-phone hell.
#10.1 Digix on 22 Dec 2008 - 21:01
Airlink said,
Aw Crap.

I want the HTC Touch Pro because the hardware is great and the slide-out keyboard in combination with a touch screen can't be beat for a human interface... but now I learn that it comes with Windows Moronic OS.

Meanwhile, there's the iPhone*, which ( I must admit) has, unlike WinMOS, a not-retarded OS, but no actual keyboard because the Cult Of Apple has decreed that thou shall not have real keyboards on thine cellular phone, lest ye be cast into the pit of Microsoft to slowly roast at an intolerable eternity until you reach an internal temperature of WinME 7.0 (or until you break down and buy an iPhone, whichever comes first.)

Will someone PLEASE just make a phone that has an actual keyboard attached to it and then keep it the heck away from Microsoft? Yes, I know about the Blackberries, and no I don't want to use their keyboard. If only RIM make a blackberry with a slide-out keyboard :sigh: Or Palm. Why the fark doesn't Palm make a PDA with a keyboard and a cell phone built into it? Auuuugggg!

I'm in cell-phone hell.


There's the Nokia N97 running symbian coming or there's HTC G1 or G2 running android on the way...
#10.2 +majortom1981 on 22 Dec 2008 - 21:38
Digix said,
Airlink said,
Aw Crap.

I want the HTC Touch Pro because the hardware is great and the slide-out keyboard in combination with a touch screen can't be beat for a human interface... but now I learn that it comes with Windows Moronic OS.

Meanwhile, there's the iPhone*, which ( I must admit) has, unlike WinMOS, a not-retarded OS, but no actual keyboard because the Cult Of Apple has decreed that thou shall not have real keyboards on thine cellular phone, lest ye be cast into the pit of Microsoft to slowly roast at an intolerable eternity until you reach an internal temperature of WinME 7.0 (or until you break down and buy an iPhone, whichever comes first.)

Will someone PLEASE just make a phone that has an actual keyboard attached to it and then keep it the heck away from Microsoft? Yes, I know about the Blackberries, and no I don't want to use their keyboard. If only RIM make a blackberry with a slide-out keyboard :sigh: Or Palm. Why the fark doesn't Palm make a PDA with a keyboard and a cell phone built into it? Auuuugggg!

I'm in cell-phone hell.


There's the Nokia N97 running symbian coming or there's HTC G1 or G2 running android on the way...


I have the att fuze (same as the touch pro just att) and it is very good even with windows mobile. Windows mobile is great if yo utake off all the isp related crud. On the fuze all you have to do is when the att customization program starts up just soft reset and you have a stock windows mobile install.

Shut off touchflow and its a fast phone.

Windows mobile isnt bad if you can uninstall all the crud other companies install on it just like xp.




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