Sex offenders who live in the state of Georgia have lost a lot more privacy. A new law that went into effect today requires all offenders not only give authorities their Internet email address and screen names but also the passwords too.Georgia is not the first state to enact such legislation. Utah was the first to require passwords as well as Internet handles to be turned over to authorities; there are currently 15 states that require email address and user names be turned over but not all require passwords.
State Senator Cecil Staton told MSNBC, "We limit where they can live, we make their information available on the Internet. To some degree, we do invade their privacy ... But the feeling is, they have forfeited, to some degree, some privacy rights."
To no surprise privacy groups like the Southern Center for Human Rights are concerned that that law may be going too far. Privacy is an important constitutional right but when others violate your rights, should their rights be stripped?
After we kill them, can we kill the murders, too?
An enlightened society does not kill people under the law - either as punishment or for retribution. We don't answer murder (or sexual deviance) with additional murder.
Such thinking is morally superior democrat hippie nonsense.
It is because of thinking like that why we have so many loopholes in the law (here in the US) that let murderers, rapists, child molesters, drug dealers who give deadly poisons to people go free, instead of truly punishing those who break the law. It's thinking like that why we have so many issues with race, religion, politically correct garbage!!
As a race, humans have always had (until recently) one pretty universal truth: You kill someone, YOU die by the hands of the law or even the people as a whole. I have no problem with that, because I'm a realist. I don't harbor any fantasies that humans are "enlightened" or "evolved". We're not. Not by a long shot. If you think I'm wrong, open a newspaper, turn on the evening news, surf the internet, google "al Queda" and then try to come back to me with a straight face and tell me that humans are enlightened and evolved. We're still barbarians, we just have better technology than Conan.
The death penalty may not be a great deterrent, but it does ensure the public safety by making sure that the offender doesn't kill again, and provides closure for the peoplefamily damaged by the wrongful death. It also prevents the further victimization of the people by being forced to fund the care and feeding of those incarcerated when they should be put to death.
It is not murder to punish the wicked/guilty. It's called justice. It's called punishment. Justice is about balance, and the punishment should fit the crime.
Now as for this article, I think that it's a slippery slope here and the law should be struck down. You'll find that pretty soon, people will lose all privacy for a conviction on jaywalking, or parking in the handicapped zone.
I feel bad for those people that are wrongly labeled sex offenders (like a 17 year old kid getting slapped with a statutory rape conviction because his 16 year old girlfriend's Righteous Religious parents pressing charges when they find out Daddy's Little Girl is giving up the booty), because they end up being punished for the *rest* of their lives over it.
The overly religious/righteous, and politically motivated use this kind of thing to fuel discord to achieve their own ends, and it never seems to serve the public in any way other than simple lip service to use emotions as a vehicle to achieve their own ends.
Where will this kind of bs hippie nonsense end?
It is because of thinking like that why we have so many loopholes in the law (here in the US) that let murderers, rapists, child molesters, drug dealers who give deadly poisons to people go free, instead of truly punishing those who break the law. It's thinking like that why we have so many issues with race, religion, politically correct garbage!!
As a race, humans have always had (until recently) one pretty universal truth: You kill someone, YOU die by the hands of the law or even the people as a whole. I have no problem with that, because I'm a realist. I don't harbor any fantasies that humans are "enlightened" or "evolved". We're not. Not by a long shot. If you think I'm wrong, open a newspaper, turn on the evening news, surf the internet, google "al Queda" and then try to come back to me with a straight face and tell me that humans are enlightened and evolved. We're still barbarians, we just have better technology than Conan.
The death penalty may not be a great deterrent, but it does ensure the public safety by making sure that the offender doesn't kill again, and provides closure for the peoplefamily damaged by the wrongful death. It also prevents the further victimization of the people by being forced to fund the care and feeding of those incarcerated when they should be put to death.
It is not murder to punish the wicked/guilty. It's called justice. It's called punishment. Justice is about balance, and the punishment should fit the crime.
Now as for this article, I think that it's a slippery slope here and the law should be struck down. You'll find that pretty soon, people will lose all privacy for a conviction on jaywalking, or parking in the handicapped zone.
I feel bad for those people that are wrongly labeled sex offenders (like a 17 year old kid getting slapped with a statutory rape conviction because his 16 year old girlfriend's Righteous Religious parents pressing charges when they find out Daddy's Little Girl is giving up the booty), because they end up being punished for the *rest* of their lives over it.
The overly religious/righteous, and politically motivated use this kind of thing to fuel discord to achieve their own ends, and it never seems to serve the public in any way other than simple lip service to use emotions as a vehicle to achieve their own ends.
Where will this kind of bs hippie nonsense end?
My God man. That almost brought a tear to my eye. Bravo.
Generalizations make people look stupid.
No, because countries with death penalties still have these problems.
But we can try to be.
So because Al Qaeda exists, we should become them?
No, see also "blood feud". The concept wouldn't even exist if people received closure from deaths. To the contrary, this is an ancient concept, because we're humans.
What about punishment of death for the wrongfully convicted? Or do you assume our legal system is perfect? If imperfect, do you think it's acceptable that innocent people die because of your ideals?
Again, generalizations make you look stupid.
seriously. people make mistakes and people change. you pay your dues, and then you're done. that's how our justice system is supposed to work
most people hear sex offender and think pedophile but like joshie said, there's so many stupid reasons why you can get labeled as a sex offender that it's too ridiculous to even think of all the ways
most people hear sex offender and think pedophile but like joshie said, there's so many stupid reasons why you can get labeled as a sex offender that it's too ridiculous to even think of all the ways
maybe i'm the only one who sees that he's mocking the fact that people have gotten charged for stupid stuff and therefore are forced to register as offenders.
i was agreeing with him, hence why i said "like joshie said"
most people hear sex offender and think pedophile but like joshie said, there's so many stupid reasons why you can get labeled as a sex offender that it's too ridiculous to even think of all the ways
the problem is..statistically sex offenders repeat their offenses once released
and..how will anyone know what usernames they use, couldnt just proxy/Tor it up and all that
and..how will anyone know what usernames they use, couldnt just proxy/Tor it up and all that
Statiscally, "statistics" can be made to show just about any result someone wants.
Yes, "serious offfenders" should probably be monitored, but what is going on here is that the law is beginning to be applied very broadly and that could have serious consequences down the road for everyone. What happens when all laws started being interpreted broadly?
and..how will anyone know what usernames they use, couldnt just proxy/Tor it up and all that
Statiscally, "statistics" can be made to show just about any result someone wants.
Yes, "serious offfenders" should probably be monitored, but what is going on here is that the law is beginning to be applied very broadly and that could have serious consequences down the road for everyone. What happens when all laws started being interpreted broadly?
that is true, if it wa sbeing applied to say..serious rapists and pedophiles..id say its fair..but if its being applied to idk..some guy that did something else that wasnt so serious(i dont know what else makes you a sex offender that would be..less serious) then yeah thats extreme
Source?
most people hear sex offender and think pedophile but like joshie said, there's so many stupid reasons why you can get labeled as a sex offender that it's too ridiculous to even think of all the way.
+1. Well said bud.
I know someone who is a 'sex offender' and they have payed their dues and was only because they had sex with a girl who was 15 at the time, and he was 18. He was required to give a DNA sample to the cops, his email addresses, screen names and be subject to a scan of his PC every 6 months. He is not a pedo, all he did was sleep with his gf of 2 years and her father reported him for it.
Parents acting like fools and calling the police when two underage teens have sex and the biy gets blamed and the girls goes free. Now he is a sex offender.
Oh an GA, dont you think that these "sex offenders" might sign up for another free emails account?
Agreed
State Senator Cecil Staton told MSNBC, "We limit where they can live, we make their information available on the Internet. To some degree, we do invade their privacy ... But the feeling is, they have forfeited, to some degree, some privacy rights."
That's a pretty ominous feeling. These "feelings" have the tendency to set precedents with far-reaching effects. We need to tread very carefully in this area.
So, you think that people we select as the best of us, that we elect as our leaders and role-models, deserve the same treatment as the worst of us, that potentially rape or molest children? That makes absolutely no sense.
Think before you post.
Think before you post.
Think before you post.
Nicely stated
Exactly how much of our taxpayers money is spent monitoring an email account of somebody's email when they KNOW it is being monitored? Yet, the very same felon can walk into any library and log into a bogus MSN account or make up a new one at any time and chat away, get/send email then simply abandon the account. How do they plan on tracking that?!
Exactly how much of our taxpayers money is spent monitoring an email account of somebody's email when they KNOW it is being monitored? Yet, the very same felon can walk into any library and log into a bogus MSN account or make up a new one at any time and chat away, get/send email then simply abandon the account. How do they plan on tracking that?!
It looks like Georgia has been taking advice from whoever advises the UK government on IT. We've got some despicably ridiculous ones either in place on on the way.
My question is more, even if they complied, what prevent them from creating a new screen name, e-mail addy and just start all over. How would the authority find out.
I'm willing to bet most if not all people here have done something that could get them branded as a sex offender if the right authority figures got hold of you. Ever not been able to wait and just gone behind a bush? Had a 17 year old girlfriend/boyfriend when you were 18? Went streaking in college? Walked past your living room window in your underwear? Too bad you're now branded a sex offender for life! The law is stupid and needs fixing.
Unfortunately, rights aren't something you have to earn. You just sort of have them. People can't actually take them away from you without, by definition, wronging you, regardless of your actions.
It's one of those funny concepts like that.
The moment we begin separating and categorizing people with regard to who "deserves" basic rights and freedoms under the law, we all suffer.
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The moment we begin separating and categorizing people with regard to who "deserves" basic rights and freedoms under the law, we all suffer.
Ya, that was a pretty lame post.
The moment we begin separating and categorizing people with regard to who "deserves" basic rights and freedoms under the law, we all suffer.
oops i commented on the wrong post. My last comment was meant for the post by portauthority
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