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Is Microsoft working on software center for Windows?

Andrew Lyle   on 22 January 2009 - 00:01 · 47 comments & 9939 views

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Questions arise as to why Windows Vista and Windows 7 have renamed the "Add and Remove Programs" to "Programs and Features", alongside "Windows Updates".

It is possible that Microsoft is planning to release a software center that will be able to find updates for all your programs that are deemed safe by Microsoft, right inside Windows Update. This type of software already exists in programs like FileHippo.com's Update Checker that scans installed programs on your machine, and compares the updated version on FileHippo.com.

A recent survey was offered to Windows 7 Beta participants, asking them various questions regarding software updates installed on your PC, from a rating of 1 to 9, for how important each of the following items are to users:
  • The ability to install a program on my PC.
  • The ability to find the program I want to use on my PC.
  • The ability to have all programs on my PC up-to-date.
  • The ability for me to update specific programs on my PC at a time that is convenient for me.
  • The ability to set the schedule for updating programs on my PC.
  • The ability to block a program from being installed on my PC when the program publisher cannot be verified.
View the full list here...

It seems Microsoft is once again turning to consumers for input on how to improve their operating system. The feature to update software on your PC using a single program, authorized by Microsoft seems long overdue. If Microsoft is secretly working on a software update service for Windows, we could possibly see it in Windows 7 SP1 or later.

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(11 replies) #1 +warwagon on 22 Jan 2009 - 00:16
That would be nice to have a Linux Style update manager.
#1.1 lylesback2 on 22 Jan 2009 - 00:20
warwagon said,
That would be nice to have a Linux Style update manager.

That is what the software centre will be compared to if released
#1.2 +warwagon on 22 Jan 2009 - 00:23
lylesback2 said,
That is what the software centre will be compared to if released


So who cares?
#1.3 TRC on 22 Jan 2009 - 00:31
warwagon said,
So who cares?


?
#1.4 lylesback2 on 22 Jan 2009 - 00:34
warwagon said,
So who cares?

People always tend to bash Microsoft for copying other people these days
#1.5 +warwagon on 22 Jan 2009 - 00:54
TRC said,
?


I ment who cares if they compare it to linux.
#1.6 TRC on 22 Jan 2009 - 01:05
Oh, agreed. Not everything can be completely original, and it would be a nice feature for Windows.
#1.7 Lechio on 22 Jan 2009 - 01:59
I see no harm in Microsoft doing this either. If this means more openness to others it's a really good idea.

Just imagine having a package manager that allows you to browse for an application and install it from a nice interface, and have all applications up to date automatically or with something like:

mspt-get upgrade


A revolution in the Windows world.
#1.8 MarcoDigi on 22 Jan 2009 - 02:40
apt-get was honestly my most favorite feature in Linux when I first started, and what I felt set it apart the most from Windows. It made me wonder why Windows didn't have such a thing

Tech-pundits might argue that if Microsoft ran the only "repository", it would be possible for Microsoft to "abuse software distribution" or whatever. Makes me wonder if there could be other "repositories" run by Google, Apple, etc., so it's more fair.
#1.9 excalpius on 22 Jan 2009 - 04:39
Yeah, we really don't need 600 updater "services" and "tray icons" running just to make sure our applications are up to date, now do we? How 1980s...
#1.10 RealFduch on 22 Jan 2009 - 06:13
Lechio said,
Just imagine having a package manager...
mspt-get upgrade


A revolution in the Windows world.

I'll make you happy. Just look at the pkgmgr that was in Windows since Vista or even earlier.

Imagine you want to install IIS7 with all features. You just fire up your command line and instantly type
pkgmgr /iu:IIS-WebServerRole;IIS-WebServer;IIS-CommonHttpFeatures;IIS-StaticContent;IIS-DefaultDocument;IIS-DirectoryBrowsing;IIS-HttpErrors;IIS-HttpRedirect;IIS-ApplicationDevelopment;IIS-ASPNET;IIS-NetFxExtensibility;IIS-ASP;IIS-CGI;IIS-ISAPIExtensions;IIS-ISAPIFilter;IIS-ServerSideIncludes;IIS-HealthAndDiagnostics;IIS-HttpLogging;IIS-LoggingLibraries;IIS-RequestMonitor;IIS-HttpTracing;IIS-CustomLogging;IIS-ODBCLogging;IIS-Security;IIS-BasicAuthentication;IIS-WindowsAuthentication;IIS-DigestAuthentication;IIS-ClientCertificateMappingAuthentication;IIS-IISCertificateMappingAuthentication;IIS-URLAuthorization;IIS-RequestFiltering;IIS-IPSecurity;IIS-Performance;IIS-HttpCompressionStatic;IIS-HttpCompressionDynamic;IIS-WebServerManagementTools;IIS-ManagementConsole;IIS-ManagementScriptingTools;IIS-ManagementService;IIS-IIS6ManagementCompatibility;IIS-Metabase;IIS-WMICompatibility;IIS-LegacyScripts;IIS-LegacySnapIn;IIS-FTPPublishingService;IIS-FTPServer;IIS-FTPManagement;WAS-WindowsActivationService;WAS-ProcessModel;WAS-NetFxEnvironment;WAS-ConfigurationAPI
#1.11 Lechio on 22 Jan 2009 - 15:47
RealFduch said,
Imagine you want to install IIS7 with all features. You just fire up your command line and instantly type

Yes, that's nice. But how about the other software? Other besides Windows components.
That's what's being discussed here. Having every piece of software with its own updater isn't really a good solution.
#2 jimbo11883 on 22 Jan 2009 - 00:17
I agree.
(1 reply) #3 Mike on 22 Jan 2009 - 00:17
what would be nice would be some form of an API where when a program installs, it gives a URL where the latest version number can be found. That way it won't require someone to notice an update and notify someone else and then them to update the version number.
#3.1 +warwagon on 22 Jan 2009 - 00:24
Mike said,
what would be nice would be some form of an API where when a program installs, it gives a URL where the latest version number can be found. That way it won't require someone to notice an update and notify someone else and then them to update the version number.


Hopefully it will allow you to download an update to the program without any interaction. without having to click next next next. It will just download and install, again, just like linux.
(19 replies) #4 lothodon on 22 Jan 2009 - 00:23
centre? don't you mean center?
#4.1 creamhackered on 22 Jan 2009 - 00:25
Centre is proper English...
#4.2 dcoaster on 22 Jan 2009 - 00:30
"Cent-er". I don't think people pronounce it "cent-reh".
#4.3 TRC on 22 Jan 2009 - 00:38
We don't call knives ka-nives either. Spelling and pronunciation don't always go together.
#4.4 dyreryft on 22 Jan 2009 - 00:53
It's just differences between UK and US English... neither are the "proper" English as the English language was not standardised in the early 18th century, but derived from essentially two influential dictionaries.
Dictionary of the English Language (1755)
An American Dictionary of the English Language of 1828. (Webster)

There are just differences between the two.
http://www2.gsu.edu/~wwwesl/egw/jones/differences.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_...ing_differences

Most of the British Commonwealth follow the UK standard, excepting possibly canada which uses both.
US use the US standard.

All i can say is bring on phonetic spelling!!!
#4.5 mmck on 22 Jan 2009 - 00:58
centre and center are the same... centRE is british-english and centER is american-english.

Its nothing to do with pronunciation,.

Interestingly... the ER american spelling is an older spelling, which was used by the british before RE (I believe). It was only later RE became the british version.

#4.6 Roscomac on 22 Jan 2009 - 01:22
mmck said,
centre and center are the same... centRE is british-english and centER is american-english.

Its nothing to do with pronunciation,.

Interestingly... the ER american spelling is an older spelling, which was used by the british before RE (I believe). It was only later RE became the british version.


Americans always get their spelling wrong TIRE c'mon.
#4.7 Roscomac on 22 Jan 2009 - 01:24
mmck said,
centre and center are the same... centRE is british-english and centER is american-english.

Its nothing to do with pronunciation,.

Interestingly... the ER american spelling is an older spelling, which was used by the british before RE (I believe). It was only later RE became the british version.


If the ER is older it would almost certainly be British - BUT TIRE c'mon. You become tired after exercise and use tyres on your car.
#4.8 rm20010 on 22 Jan 2009 - 02:23
I personally use the ER spelling to describe a middle point of an object, and RE when referring to a building. But generally speaking we spell it as "centre" over here.

BTW, it's "tire" over here, not "tyre." Just like we call it "gas(oline)" and not "petrol."

Gotta like how we mix and match British and American English over here.
#4.9 TRC on 22 Jan 2009 - 07:25
Roscomac said,
mmck said,
centre and center are the same... centRE is british-english and centER is american-english.

Its nothing to do with pronunciation,.

Interestingly... the ER american spelling is an older spelling, which was used by the british before RE (I believe). It was only later RE became the british version.


If the ER is older it would almost certainly be British - BUT TIRE c'mon. You become tired after exercise and use tyres on your car.


"The word 'tire' is derived from the function of this steel rim; it was designed to tie together the wooden spokes of the wheel. The American spelling of 'tire' was used in Britain along with 'tyre' to describe the outer rim of a wheel, but was discarded in the 19th century, probably because some patent documents contained the latter, although 'tire' was still in use to describe the metal variety."

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-History-of-the-Tyre&id=1569662
#4.10 Caveman-ugh on 22 Jan 2009 - 07:29
creamhackered said,
Centre is proper English...

#4.11 Caveman-ugh on 22 Jan 2009 - 07:30
creamhackered said,
Centre is proper English...

#4.12 Mr Spoon on 22 Jan 2009 - 10:58
Let's not forget - it's ENGLISH. Started in ENGLAND, therefore whatever we spell and the way we spell it is correct We invented the language!
#4.13 mclaren05 on 22 Jan 2009 - 11:50
Mr Spoon said,
Let's not forget - it's ENGLISH. Started in ENGLAND, therefore whatever we spell and the way we spell it is correct We invented the language!

Correct. It is proper english to say it "Center".
#4.14 duneworld on 22 Jan 2009 - 15:32
No, it would be proper American or French to say 'center'.
#4.15 MioTheGreat on 22 Jan 2009 - 17:52
TRC said,
We don't call knives ka-nives either. Spelling and pronunciation don't always go together.


No, but we pronounce knights ka-niggets.
#4.16 mclaren05 on 22 Jan 2009 - 19:04
duneworld said,
No, it would be proper American or French to say 'center'.

No. It is proper english to say Center. Centere is just how the british want to say it.

Center (just how it sounds in english) is the correct form.
#4.17 duneworld on 22 Jan 2009 - 21:32
Center is the correct form in American and French, centre is the correct form in English.
#4.18 Renec on 22 Jan 2009 - 23:34
Not to make it even MORE confusing... but in Canada BOTH are valid. For example, you have a CENTER of a circle, but you go to the Activity CENTRE to go swimming!
#4.19 cJr. on 25 Jan 2009 - 04:23
I agree that seeing as though the language is called 'English', doesn't that mean the way people in England spell things is correct? What American's have done is taken our language and changed it so half the things don't make sense or are spelt differently. Therefore it hasn't really got a right to be called 'English', it should be called 'American'.
#5 Deathray on 22 Jan 2009 - 00:58
This would definitely be a great step forward... too many programs have their own software update checkers
#6 Kevin. on 22 Jan 2009 - 01:33
This would be very useful, and I hope it's implemented in Windows 7.
#7 ajua on 22 Jan 2009 - 01:43
It won't hurt to have a feature like this, but i think it will be a tremendous effort for both MS and third-party developers to something like this work because all the millions of applications that are made for windows.

If the feature only checks for updates to some application, it won't be as useful...But let's wait and see.
(2 replies) #8 TheNay on 22 Jan 2009 - 02:21
waiting for Windows 7... tho testing it now, I find it better than Vista already, just a polished version that doesn't crash everytime I use it oddly
#8.1 +warwagon on 22 Jan 2009 - 02:48
TheNay said,
waiting for Windows 7... tho testing it now, I find it better than Vista already, just a polished version that doesn't crash everytime I use it oddly


and why is vista crashing every time you use it?
#8.2 excalpius on 22 Jan 2009 - 04:40
Indeed, if Vista is crashing on you AT ALL, you are doing something very wrong or there is a hardware failure on your system. It should be 100% bulletproof.
#9 Tikitiki on 22 Jan 2009 - 04:06
This would be a great move for Windows 7. A feature like a software center is definately something I'd pay for. The software process needs to be more managed, like the software managers in distros of linux. This would be truly great to see in Windows.
(1 reply) #10 Erikas on 22 Jan 2009 - 07:00
Would Microsoft also suggest updates to rival programs, like Firefox for example, or Flash which will be competition to Silverlight?
#10.1 TRC on 22 Jan 2009 - 07:27
Erikas said,
Would Microsoft also suggest updates to rival programs, like Firefox for example, or Flash which will be competition to Silverlight?


I would imagine there would be some type of API implemented and it would be up to the third party program writers to make their programs compatible and allow it to check for updates. I doubt Microsoft would hand pick programs to exclude, they get in enough trouble as it is.
(1 reply) #11 Knaarfje on 22 Jan 2009 - 07:47
Well, I just hope it will be able to update Adobe applications... Without having to close down every app I'm running
#11.1 GP007 on 22 Jan 2009 - 08:15
You'd have to take that up with Adobe.
#12 cJr. on 25 Jan 2009 - 04:24
I think this is a brilliant idea! Very long overdue!

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