Karma, no matter what you do it will come back to bite you where it hurts the most. Up to 20,000 pirates who thought they would get away without paying for iWork '09 have learned that the hard way.A recent copy of iWork '09 was leaked to the web but contained a free bonus add on, a virus called OSX.Trojan.iServices.A. This virus does the nasty work of installing itself in the startup as root. It then goes on and broadcasts its location and allows for malicious users to take over your Mac and install anything they want and modify files already on your computer.
It goes without saying that people who stole this software will probably have a hard time removing the malicious program because of that nature it was installed. Karma has certainly come full circle to those trying to pirate software.
/I also submitted this to the news desk. :-/
Ya think?
Seriously though, I applaud RAID 0 for he saved me from writing a similar sarcastic remark
This just goes to prove that Mac users are just as vulnerable to viruses (virii?) as Windows users are. It seems Viruses find it no less difficult to infect Macs than Windows.
Worms spread by themselves, Viruses and Trojans dont. This is a Trojan.
LTD is now known as the "Spin Doctor".
*bows*
Just making sure there aren't any misunderstandings.
Uh . . . what thread?
Ooops...Now that Apple has made billions of dollars out of you dumb illiterate mac users, now you realize you've been lied to and tricked again by Steve Jobs and his gang of iTards because you didn't bother doing any research.
While you could make the argument that Mac platforms have less effective zero-day and real-time software protection due to their lower market share, you can only go so far to prevent a moron from succumbing to his own stupidity.
The nice thing is it will hopefully block them from the internet because people that stupid should not be using it.
It's immune to the Windows malware and the fact is that due to the small market share of OS X, almost all viruses/trojans/whatever are written for Windows. So while OS X is not immune, the chances to get infected are immensely lower.
They are totally different.
Funny that pirates got busted that way.
Goes on all of the time though.
Well that is the design of any system, but like anything made by man it can have flaws. Apple has patched flaws in the past that could have lead to remove code execution (aka, a worm spreading without any user interaction at all). Fortunately those where fixed before they could be exploited. The blaster virus was a similar story, took advantage of a remote code execution flaw in Windows which had already been patched, only users who did not run automatic updates where effected. …just making sure there are no misunderstandings.
apple users dont use virus scanners most of the time
Anyone can create a malicious program and install it on people's machines if the admin happily hands out the password for it.
It's in a rather obvious place, once you think about it.
*takes a look at both of these places....*
Nah, there's nothing
But seriously, why put iWork + a serial on a P2P network while iWork is already on Apple's websites, and has fast servers!?
*takes a look at both of these places....*
Nah, there's nothing
But seriously, why put iWork + a serial on a P2P network while iWork is already on Apple's websites, and has fast servers!?
don't users have to pay if they download from the apple website?
No, because it's a trial version.
this torrent seems to be the full version?
You can either buy a serial from Apple's website, or buy the box with the DVDs, which don't require a serial.
The torrent came with the (modified) trial version I think.
I always thought viruses that install themselves silently whilst browsing websites (or running applications) were the more common (albeit, I plead ignorance: been a Mac user for some time now).
That's what Mac users mean when they say "don't get viruses". If a user installs a virus (or to follow cJr's metaphor, unlocks and opens the door to the robber)—well, no OS can protect from idiocy.
Really.. And I'm not saying this out of some Mac defense... But it's about time we separate "virus" from "trojan".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_virus
"A computer virus is a computer program that can copy itself and infect a computer without the permission or knowledge of the user."
This is not a virus, because it can neither replicate itself, nor does it install without permission. Please start using these terms properly. Anti-virus companies actually do, so it's only confusing if we don't.
That's what Mac users mean when they say "don't get viruses". If a user installs a virus (or to follow cJr's metaphor, unlocks and opens the door to the robber)—well, no OS can protect from idiocy.
Nope, Viruses rarely infect that way, the most common way is to trick the user into running an exe file (or mac equivalent) and then it's game over essentially. In that respect Windows and OS X are identical.
That's what Mac users mean when they say "don't get viruses". If a user installs a virus (or to follow cJr's metaphor, unlocks and opens the door to the robber)—well, no OS can protect from idiocy.
Nope, Viruses rarely infect that way, the most common way is to trick the user into running an exe file (or mac equivalent) and then it's game over essentially. In that respect Windows and OS X are identical.
Not quite.
There are still ZERO self-replicating, self-installing viruses in the wild. No way OS X can be infected by them in the first place.
I work on the technology section at M&S... I may print this out and stick it on the wall above the Macs
Nothing gets on your Mac without it notifying you and asking for your permission, to put it simply.
So no, Macs don't get viruses. Unless you install them. And this kind usually doesn't propagate.
So unless you want to look dumb, don't go sticking anything on any wall. OS X is as safe as it has always been.
PCs do not get viruses... unless you install them.
Ever heard of UAC?
Edit: Forgot to laugh at Mac users. Hahaha. Ok I'm done.
Nothing gets on your Mac without it notifying you and asking for your permission, to put it simply.
So no, Macs don't get viruses. Unless you install them. And this kind usually doesn't propagate.
So unless you want to look dumb, don't go sticking anything on any wall. OS X is as safe as it has always been.
http://media.techtarget.com/digitalguide/i.../Misc/uac_2.jpg
Oh look vista confirms things to.
Anyway I find it funny that all the Mac fanboys become very very defensive as soon as another one of their lies that they hide behind to say Mac is better crashes down.
Nothing gets on your Mac without it notifying you and asking for your permission, to put it simply.
So no, Macs don't get viruses. Unless you install them. And this kind usually doesn't propagate.
So unless you want to look dumb, don't go sticking anything on any wall. OS X is as safe as it has always been.
You seem to so easily forget the massive design flaw that let Safari download and install anything it wanted with root access, without ever even asking the user. If I remember, Apple was notified beforehand of the discovery, and then they did a mass PR cover-up and denial of the incident, which led to many computers being targeted through Safari as a zero-day exploit.
What made matters even worse, is that Apple used deceptive adware tactics to silently install Safari onto Window machines using iTunes. Microsoft had to issue an emergency security bulletin to instruct unsuspecting Windows users on how to find and uninstall Safari, to prevent their computers from getting infected by Apple's debacle of a zero-day exploit.
Yet you have the nerve to post that Apple doesn't get Viruses? At least try to be a fanboy with some credibility.
I don't get viruses
Again a Virus is an unwaned piece of software, that is install without the users knowledge.
Yes Windows users suffer the most because of 1 main issue, they run as admin. Linux/Mac protect the user because they are not root, unless they type in their password that requires elevated rights.
Just like dumb Windows Users, there are dumb Mac users!
Exactly. That makes this a trojan, not a virus, since it installs itself only with your permission. Security-wise, this makes a HUGE difference.
It can't replicate itself either. Another property of a computer virus.
Hey LTD. You are still running around lying here and there...
How can you say that BS when there are dozens of remote code execution vulnerabilities? Don't tell me you don't know about security holes in Macs.
Edit: Forgot to laugh at Mac users. Hahaha. Ok I'm done.
Actually I have. It's the Utterly Annoying Crap that comes with Vista, isn't it?
"You're about to perform an action which requires an Admin confirmation, do you want to continue?"
"Yes."
"OK, now this is the real Admin confirmation you need to do. Do you confirm?"
Soon most people turn it off because it bugs the hell out of them and a turned off protection is no protection at all. It's a lot better in Windows 7, but at the default setting, I didn't get a single prompt while installing several programs, which makes me wonder if it'll warn me if a virus is trying to install.
How can you say that BS when there are dozens of remote code execution vulnerabilities? Don't tell me you don't know about security holes in Macs.
They mean absolutely nothing until they're exploited successfully. And that hasn't happened in the wild yet.
Nothing gets on your Mac without it notifying you and asking for your permission, to put it simply.
So no, Macs don't get viruses. Unless you install them. And this kind usually doesn't propagate.
So unless you want to look dumb, don't go sticking anything on any wall. OS X is as safe as it has always been.
Yet you have the nerve to post that Apple doesn't get Viruses? At least try to be a fanboy with some credibility.
LMAO!
How can you say that BS when there are dozens of remote code execution vulnerabilities? Don't tell me you don't know about security holes in Macs.
They mean absolutely nothing until they're exploited successfully. And that hasn't happened in the wild yet.
Slithering away aren't you?
First you say that "Nothing gets on a Mac" without user consent.
Then you silently back off and tell there are holes, but they weren't exploited successfully.
When I debunk this lie, you'll say that "I haven't seen anyone exploited through this hole.(And if I had, I'd never tell you.)"
How can you say that BS when there are dozens of remote code execution vulnerabilities? Don't tell me you don't know about security holes in Macs.
They mean absolutely nothing until they're exploited successfully. And that hasn't happened in the wild yet.
Slithering away aren't you?
First you say that "Nothing gets on a Mac" without user consent.
Then you silently back off and tell there are holes, but they weren't exploited successfully.
When I debunk this lie, you'll say that "I haven't seen anyone exploited through this hole.(And if I had, I'd never tell you.)"
There are still ZERO self-replicating, self-installing viruses in the wild for OS X.
That's all that matters.
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Yes, what about it? UAC was designed for Windows because of the tradition of running Windows as administrator, which helped trojans in installing without permission. No one use to deny that, not Mac users either.
What?? What does UAC have to do with OS security? It's only there as a safeguard from running executable files, like the password prompts in OS X or Linux when using "sudo". Do you know what a critical remote exploit is? It's something that remotely bypasses UAC or other such mechanisms. And now we're venturing into the realms of failing computer security. Nothing that you said explained how any of these operating systems had worse or better protection against this.
You're just talking of measures to protect users from social engineering attacks, not OS security on a technical level.
What?? What does UAC have to do with OS security? It's only there as a safeguard from running executable files, like the password prompts in OS X or Linux when using "sudo". Do you know what a critical remote exploit is? It's something that remotely bypasses UAC or other such mechanisms. And now we're venturing into the realms of failing computer security. Nothing that you said explained how any of these operating systems had worse or better protection against this.
You're just talking of measures to protect users from social engineering attacks, not OS security on a technical level.
UAC has everything to do with security, unless rootkits don't count as a security risk.
http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/05/25/t...-nails-rootkits
Ooops...Now that Apple has made billions of dollars out of you dumb illiterate mac users, now you realize you've been lied to and tricked again by Steve Jobs and his gang of iTards because you didn't bother doing any research.
Last edited by LTD on 23 Jan 2009 - 01:55
No, there has been a proof of concept virus written for OS X before, so in that case you're just uninformed. Also, this is not a virus, it's a trojan.
So many people on Neowin seem to get this wrong. I'm not quite sure how to explain it in simple enough terms, really...
Let's just say it's like a vampire then. According to vampire "laws", you have to invite a vampire to your house for it to enter it. This is the same thing.
What comes around, goes around.
I've never seen mac users attack windows as much as windows users attack mac
Then you need to get out more often because MAC users are always snobbing that their playschool computer is better then a windows based machine. No matter how you put it MACs were never immune. The fact remains that no one cares enough to write malicious code for a mac because its not worth it. There are a millions PC's to one MAC. Now that someone did everyone is crying because MAC users are like 15 years behind the anti-virus game
And to all the morons who talk about "is it a virus if you allow it to be installed" DUHHHHH think about that. I am pretty sure that when a user clicks a file and the warning box comes to make sure you want to install it, it doesn't say "Warning, you are about to install a virus. Press yes or no."
Its like reading a message board filled with inept retards
yeah because getting out more often will educate yourself about computers :-P
Windows users always comment on Mac news, they jump on anything because they are jealous.
Coming from a Windows/Mac/*nix user.
And to all the morons who talk about "is it a virus if you allow it to be installed" DUHHHHH think about that. I am pretty sure that when a user clicks a file and the warning box comes to make sure you want to install it, it doesn't say "Warning, you are about to install a virus. Press yes or no."
Its like reading a message board filled with inept retards
What is a "MAC" do you mean a "Mac"? Really go back to playschool until you can learn the difference between an abbreviation, and an acronym. So you don't make this mistake in the future, an example:
PC is a Personal Computer and can be abbreviated as PC.
Mac is a Macintosh and cannot be abbreviated as MAC because it is not a MAC (which could stand for a hundred different things) but a Mac.
Also, I still do not understand why people waste their time arguing about OS choice. I love my Mac, but I cannot live without Windows either - there both necessary for me to get work done.
Microsoft never did a public TV advertising campaign that implies that Mac's get viruses but PC's don't.
And to all the morons who talk about "is it a virus if you allow it to be installed" DUHHHHH think about that. I am pretty sure that when a user clicks a file and the warning box comes to make sure you want to install it, it doesn't say "Warning, you are about to install a virus. Press yes or no."
Its like reading a message board filled with inept retards
What is a "MAC" do you mean a "Mac"? Really go back to playschool until you can learn the difference between an abbreviation, and an acronym. So you don't make this mistake in the future, an example:
PC is a Personal Computer and can be abbreviated as PC.
Mac is a Macintosh and cannot be abbreviated as MAC because it is not a MAC (which could stand for a hundred different things) but a Mac.
Also, I still do not understand why people waste their time arguing about OS choice. I love my Mac, but I cannot live without Windows either - there both necessary for me to get work done.
Aeonandromere,
LOLOLOL! wait....hahahahaha!
Um.... Mr English major, "there both necessary". Wasn't your post meant to demean Solidstinch for his lack of engrish skillz? "There" is not the word you were looking for, it was "they're" that you needed. Because you were ABBREVIATING "they are" Noob!
If the tables were turned and Windows was the OS with less virus/trojan exposure, rest assure they would. It's simple marketing. Everyone knows Windows users get more viruses, it's a far more exposed operating system. Apple use that in marketing. There's nothing wrong or weird with that. It's completely natural. Competition. That's an area Mac does much better on.
For example, on the other hand, in the "I'm a PC" ad, Microsoft used the idea that Windows is so well spread throughout the world. Because that's an area Mac still has to catch up in. Competition again.
I'm not sure why this is such a sore spot for Windows users. Windows HAS more viruses than the competition, far more. It's on the order of magnitudes. Why be surprised that this is frequently pointed out by competitors? Microsoft frequently point out that they're the most popular OS in the world. People don't go nuts about that. We know they're right already.
Actually there are just around 95 PC's to one Mac.
Edit: Make that around 10 PC's to 1 Mac... My math sucks.
Last edited by cycro on 24 Jan 2009 - 00:24
But trojan...why is it called a trojan? Because it was named after the Trojan horse that entered Troy... the Greeks disguised it as a gift for the end of war IIRC. So the people of troy accepted it and let it through their gates (entered their username and password if you will). The Greeks then proceed out of the horse in the night and burned the city to the ground.
So yes...it is actually a trojan...
...lol
it's a freaking computer. it tells time, it brings you to the same internet, they both have a number 7 button.
you give a moron a mac, they'll figure out a way to **** it up... give a nobel prize winner windows, and they'll probably do something great with it... and what do you know? vice-versa...
and what was this written on? does it matter? did it change the content? then it's none of your f-ing business.
thank you, have a nice day
Did you wander onto the wrong website?
Who would have ever thought that was possible =P
Who would have ever thought that was possible =P
Oh that's nothing, I even agree with C_guy now and then!
I posted an article on another thread about a Mac attack in mid 08...I am kinda curious if the economy issues will help spread the attacks on Macs. People are losing money like crazy and need to branch out...im sure there are tons of unprotected Macs with sensitive info...personal or otherwise...hell, spyware would be cool to see on a Mac with all those adverts trying to get you to buy things...and no, I am not Mac bashing....just expressing my opinion...so chill if you are heated
The correct picture for this article which incorrectly states this is a virus. Its a trojan, not a virus. Very different.
"oh but the user chooses to install it" then they deserve it lol
The lure of free (think Bonzi Buddy) gets people to install anything. Thats why mac users MUST run AV software. Because your gullible enough to think that your protected by Lord Jobs.
No need to defend the FACTS.
I always fix PC's they always have AV software, Yet some how end up mangled with spyware and other junk, Virus's, Trojans etc.
So Anti Virus software doesn't protect you that much. In fact I'm pretty sure I could run windows or OSX with out AV and be fine. I done that whilst testing Vista beta a while back for near 6-8months. All fine.
The computer(MAC no wait sorry that should be Mac! or PC) is only as safe as the monkey using it. Because 90% of all the Virus's etc you get on a PC are installed by the end user. I've had 1 virus ever and that was the Blaster worm(WindowS) was unavoidable at the time unless you had a router in place. Which at that time weren't so popular for the home user. The best Anti Virus software = Educated End User. Then Both O/S's would be as immune as each other!
The same was true with Code RED.
The exploit that the CR worm used was patched back with NT 4 Service Pack 6 (and Windows 2000 Service Pack 1); Windows XP (which was in beta at the time) was actually immune. At the time, I was working in Customer Support for the broadband division of the Big Cable Company, and CR was a real Pain In The Rear for us in support (not just because we had to direct users on how/where to get the appropriate patches, but because we as a company were changing over from NT 4 Workstation to 2000 Professional, and some of us had just gotten used to NT4's quirks). However, kudos to Inside Technical Support; not so much as *one* of our demo machines (mostly running Windows 2000 Professional) ever got infected.
There are still ZERO self-replicating, self-installing viruses in the wild for OS X.
Not likely. Otherwise they'd have downloaded the trial from Apple website and just pirate a serial number.
If I remember correctly the first major virus was a Mac virus. So the whole idea of a virus was propelled into the open by a Mac exploit.
It's all about market share - anyone with half a brain would know. Why would someone bother creating a virus for a Mac? It wouldn't affect that many businesses or people.
If I remember correctly the first major virus was a Mac virus. So the whole idea of a virus was propelled into the open by a Mac exploit.
It's all about market share - anyone with half a brain would know. Why would someone bother creating a virus for a Mac? It wouldn't affect that many businesses or people.
There are still ZERO self-replicating, self-installing viruses in the wild for OS X. And OS X is not the same as the old Mac OS.
Note: There are also ZERO self-replicating, self-installing viruses in the wild for all version of Windows....
If it self replicates it would be known as a worm.
It could "almost" say something about it in the softwares 400 page EULA.
Disclaimer: I use Windows. I hate Mac elitist. But that had to be said.
you dont have to pirate any software in linux.. cuz almost all software in linux is free and very decent alternatives to paid software. plus obviously you are very safe from virii and hackers when you use linux.
(but obviously not virus and hacker proof--like for any system. although very close to that)
but yeah.. that showed em mac elitists!! muhahaha.
OS X Leopard - Technology - Security
At NO point does that site say OS X is virus free. If YOU have made the assumption that OS X is virus free out the box that is YOUR mistake.
What OS X does do is:
a) scan every item that is downloaded for a program
b) require admin login for installation of all applications or access to system files (inc malicious programs)
Unfortunatly Apple nor Microsoft can stop user stupidity, but by providing the user with prompts asking for username & password's they can hopefully help users to make informed decisions.
And just to clear things up. I like both my PC & Apple as much as each other, they both have their places for my work. But isn't is funny how Microsoft blatently ripped off OS X/Linux's prompting for installation of items/opening of programs & turned it into something "New" ie UAC.
Thats my 2cp worth.
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