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but not before there submition of the patent.

I thought the multi-touch in Win 7 came from Vista?

Um, they ALL got the multitouch interface from researchers years ago.

Well Palm sadly won't do as well as people expect it to. Mainly due to the carrier they are with. Sprint? are you kidding me. Also, yeah there are just way to many phones that look like each other ever since the iPhone came out. I really doubt palm would capture a major chunk of market share. Just way to late to enter the market

Since when does LTD know about patents?

In the original article about Apple getting it, many others posted how others have had an been using touch before Apple and it's iPhone.

And seeing how the new Palm is looking good, hell, I'd want them to try something, see what happens.

+1

Only time will tell if he does. Any bets on a no show?

He can't resist his apple sense is tingling.

I hope their patent gets chucked out, as it' using technology that was invented years ago

It's late. When his Apple sleeps, so does he.

Hahahaha! Doubt it; he'll say something for sure! That guy loves Apple.

As much as I disagree with some of his views, you people are acting childish by baiting out his name on every Apple related article. Similar behaviour is not tolerated in the Gamers Hangout forum. Let him comment if he needs to, no need to throw out fishing hooks.

So what we have in this video here http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/02/01/n...e-video-emerges

is just a smoke screen and not real? Looks real to me, and looks quite good

And he shows his face................hahahahahahahahhaha

Wow. You're kidding, right?

If someone said the iPhone is all smoke and mirrors back in January 2007, would it still hold water in your eyes?

Typical...

Until the Pre hits the shelves it doesn't exist on the market.

I hesitate to speculate about a non-existent device, much less a patent battle that is imaginary, the full details of which we aren't privy to, were they even to exist.

All we can be absolutely certain about is that Apple already has a multitouch device on the market that is firmly entrenched, and they have the legal force of patents on that device - whatever degree of legal force that affords them.

We can also be absolutely, unequivocally certain, that any company (no matter how large or small) that goes against Apple in a legal proceeding will by default face a difficult, uphill battle. Apple knows litigation, and Apple usually ends up on the winning side, or at the very least, in a much better position than its competitors. This is the same company that held Microsoft over a barrel in 1997 and extracted some serious concessions. Apple blackmailed, fought, and manipulated itself right back from the brink. And now folks like Michael Dell are eating it, having made public statements years ago that were so obvious and believable at the time. This is the same company that wiped Apple clone makers off the face of the earth and even helped themselves to their ideas afterward. And this is the same company that dictates to the music industry, and the music industry listens because it knows what's good for them. Apple can not only wage a very drawn out battle, it can also eat associated costs with no problem. Even back in the days when they had only a fraction of the profits and cash in the bank that they enjoy now, they were equally dangerous.

Apple's main strength is not really its cash reserves, but rather, its track record when it comes litigation. Apple is uniquely manipulative and aggressive in this area.

All contenders against Apple need to eat their porridge and otherwise come prepared for a long and very expensive fight.

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tl;dr: They play dirty and are no better than any other company that takes whatever action necessary to fill their greed. Welcome to the business world.

Yea it was one of the better unbiased articles engadget did

Apple can't sue anyone because they have no real claim.

Apple's claims will be decided by the courts, if it ever comes to that. And even if it does come to that, the public will only be made aware of partial details before there is any ruling.

Apple just filed the patent to preemptively intimidate the patently uneducated. No major player is fooled by this BS.

Apparently Apple knows something the rest of us don't.

They're usually several steps ahead when it comes to these things. I don't think your point is lost on them or their legal team.

^^ wow, do you really not know what you're talking about.

repeat: Apple just filed the patent to preemptively intimidate the patently uneducated.

Apple did not legally steal anything from Xerox. Xerox's lawsuit against Apple in 1990 was dismissed.

In the mid 1980s, Apple considered buying Xerox. But a deal was never reached and Apple instead bought rights to the Alto GUI and adapted it into to a more affordable personal computer, aimed towards the business and education markets. The Apple Macintosh was released in 1984, and was the first personal computer to popularize the GUI and mouse amongst the public.

Xerox management consented to Jobs and others having a three-day full access visit to PARC even after one of the PARC managers complained that Apple would take the concepts that they saw and run with them. Apple paid for this visit quite handsomely. It wasn't free. Jobs liked and was fixated on the concept of the graphical user interface, which by the way is simply a computer science concept and can therefore no more be stolen than the algorithm for hashing can be stolen. Not a single line of Xerox's code for the Alto is or has ever been in the Mac OS, so Apple did nothing more than develop a marketable product using a concept that Xerox allowed them to see.

The whole "Apple stole from Xerox" schtick is nothing more than a myth.

And at the moment, no one is suing anyone. We don't actually know exactly how and to what extent Apple can proceed against anyone in this situation. There are currently no legal proceedings of that nature underway between Apple and Palm, and we're obviously not privy to any information about cases that don't exist. And even if there was such a case underway between Apple and Palm or Apple and whomever else, we certainly wouldn't be privy to all the documentation anyway.

There is no karma at work here, just wild assumptions. All we know for certain is that Apple now legally owns the iPhone patents they filed for. That's all.

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You are writing complete BS. I dare you to cite your sources. I will go ahead and cite mine:

New York Times
Apple Computer Inc. v. Microsoft Corporation, 35 F.3d 1435 (9th Cir. 1994)

Apple never "bought" the rights to ALTO. They stole the interface by snatching up the Xerox programmers who worked on the GUI. Xerox simply wasn't interested in pursuing litigation at the time. It's the same thing as snatching $5 from my hand and running away; If I don't bother chasing you down, you are not exonerated from being a thief.

Xerox believed that a "Graphical user Interface" is much like a mechanical one, and impossible to protect by copyright. Remember, this is back when the copyright system was not a complete embarrassment. It was only after Apple tried to sue Microsoft over copyright claims that Windows GUI looked too similar to MacOS, Xerox then filed suit claiming MacOS looked too similar to ALTO. When the suit against Microsoft fell apart, so did Xerox's suit against Apple.

You can blow smoke all you want about Saint Jobs until your cheecks turn blue; facts are facts. Apple stole the MacOS GUI from Xerox's ALTO. They never bought the rights, just the programmers. Programmers =/= rights. End of story.