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Chaks   on 04 February 2009 - 20:46 · 51 comments & 17688 views

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As Windows 7 RC gets ready for its release, Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard build 10A261 is released officially to select beta developers and testers this week according to an Italian Website, Macity.

Compared to earlier builds 10A190 and 10A222, there are few noticeable changes to the software other than minor adjustments to the System Preferences pane and bug fixes to the new Cocoa-based Finder. The User Interface remains mostly unchanged and the build is said to have more stability and speed. Developers are asked to focus on printer drivers, 3rd-party applications, and Microsoft Exchange support. Besides Grand Central and OpenCL, technologies designed to utilize multicore processors better and shift parallel computing tasks to multicore GPUs, Exchange support is one of the few major features of Snow Leopard.

Snow Leopard is expected to be released in the first quarter of 2009.

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(2 replies) #1 thealexweb on 04 Feb 2009 - 20:54
It's not really Beta 3 is it, 3 build have been released. If it were the same case for Windows 7 they'd be on Beta 6 or 7 by now.
#1.1 Chaks on 04 Feb 2009 - 20:57
Thanks

Changed the title to be more suitable
#1.2 thealexweb on 04 Feb 2009 - 22:06
Chaks said,
Thanks

Changed the title to be more suitable


Er have you? Still gives same message.

"New Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard build available" would be far more suitable.
(4 replies) #2 Powerless on 04 Feb 2009 - 20:56
Snow Leopard is expected to be released in the first quarter of 2009.

I just can't see it happening...can you?
#2.1 LTD on 04 Feb 2009 - 20:58
It's not that much of stretch.
#2.2 Sam Symons Live on 04 Feb 2009 - 21:04
Powerless said,
Snow Leopard is expected to be released in the first quarter of 2009.

I just can't see it happening...can you?

I can't see it happening either. Apple are rumored to be changing the interface, but then again, they do work fast at what they do so if it is first quarter, it'll be late into it. Looking forward to it either way...current build is stable enough, but they'll be improving it. Good news.
#2.3 +what on 04 Feb 2009 - 21:17
We have very little information with which we can judge progress thanks to Apple's NDA, so who knows?
#2.4 Electric Bolt on 04 Feb 2009 - 21:51
How can we be sure they didn't already upgrade the user interface but only include it in certain builds that never see light of day outside of Apple's labs? For all we know, they could be working hard on a nice user interface but release builds that do not include it so when these get leaked, nobody will see the new user interface as it was never included. I'm sure they do that, and that 10.6 will include a new user interface similar to iTunes but no longer Aqua.
(6 replies) #3 LTD on 04 Feb 2009 - 20:57
Coming along nicely.
#3.1 RAID 0 on 04 Feb 2009 - 21:08
Are you testing it?
#3.2 Chaks on 04 Feb 2009 - 21:09
are you one of those lucky developers LTD?
#3.3 LTD on 04 Feb 2009 - 21:21
#3.4 Glendi on 04 Feb 2009 - 21:22
Chaks said,
are you one of those lucky developers LTD?


I'd be furious not to be when I've been fighting for Apple so long.
#3.5 ZeroHour on 04 Feb 2009 - 21:42
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#3.6 rakeshishere on 05 Feb 2009 - 10:29
Chaks said,
are you one of those lucky developers LTD?


No, he is a FanBoy
(2 replies) #4 RAID 0 on 04 Feb 2009 - 21:00
So how much will it cost for this service pack? Did I say service pack? I totally meant, "How much will it cost for a point one upgrade"? I mean, it can't be that much seeing as there's hardly any new features to offer people in this service pack.
#4.1 offroadaaron on 05 Feb 2009 - 02:52
RAID 0 said,
So how much will it cost for this service pack? Did I say service pack? I totally meant, "How much will it cost for a point one upgrade"? I mean, it can't be that much seeing as there's hardly any new features to offer people in this service pack.


yeah your right Windows ME was such an upgrade and Vista as well and those who bought vista and going to windows 7 suppppppperrrrrbarrrrr thats going to be an 'upgrade'. Wait what differences were there with any of the windows, all of them had taskbars and did the same thing.
#4.2 RAID 0 on 05 Feb 2009 - 03:22
offroadaaron said,
yeah your right Windows ME was such an upgrade and Vista as well and those who bought vista and going to windows 7 suppppppperrrrrbarrrrr thats going to be an 'upgrade'. Wait what differences were there with any of the windows, all of them had taskbars and did the same thing.


*You're* Get that right please.

Who the hell is talking about Windows ME? This is about OS X, didn't you know? The argument you made was... **** poor. Try again!
(2 replies) #5 virtorio on 04 Feb 2009 - 21:08
Looking forward to see if Apple does their usual "300+ New Features" marketing spiel this time around, and if so what they put in it.

Should be a good release, but this one is more like an update pack than a new full release.
#5.1 Jugalator on 04 Feb 2009 - 22:06
What.. They're going for a 64-bit kernel this time, and making optimizations throughout the OS, including new API's to use the GPU for non-graphics tasks, and improving multicore performance.

Update pack??
#5.2 virtorio on 04 Feb 2009 - 22:19
Jugalator said,
What.. They're going for a 64-bit kernel this time, and making optimizations throughout the OS, including new API's to use the GPU for non-graphics tasks, and improving multicore performance.

Update pack??

Yeah, typically a new release focuses on things like new features and things users (who will be paying for the upgrade, presumably) are going to care about. While this release does have new features most of them are behind the scenes and most non-tech people aren't going to see a whole lot of reason to upgrade (if it stays like it is in its current form).
(3 replies) #6 patseguin on 04 Feb 2009 - 21:14
They are all update packs. A new full release would be OS 11.
#6.1 virtorio on 04 Feb 2009 - 21:52
patseguin said,
They are all update packs. A new full release would be OS 11.

Update pack: http://support.apple.com/downloads/Mac_OS_X_10-5-6_Update
Full release (worded as 'Major Release' on their own web site): http://www.apple.com/macosx/

Snow Leopard is looking like a collection of optimizations and under-the-hood improvements. As I said, seems more like an update than would I would expect in a usual major release.
#6.2 Jugalator on 04 Feb 2009 - 22:11
patseguin said,
They are all update packs. A new full release would be OS 11.

No. Here's how it works; I'll give explaining it a try.

Mac OS X 10.5.6
Windows NT 6 SP1 (aka Windows Vista SP1)

Changing the major version number of Mac OS would be at the scale of changing the Windows architecture from Windows NT. Yes, that would indeed be a "full release", but e.g. Windows haven't seen a "full release" on that scale since 1993 with the first NT release. The minor version number of Mac OS is the OS release, and finally the revision number corresponds to the "service pack" in Microsoft-speak. So Mac OS X 10.5.6 is the sixth service pack for Mac OS X Leopard.
#6.3 Electric Bolt on 04 Feb 2009 - 22:15
You can't expect them to release Snow Leopard as an update, they are making a new Finder written in Cocoa, they have to get paid for something. I consider Snow Leopard a major release of Mac OS X. I think Mac OS 11 would be a major version of Mac OS. A new major version would be a new version that made major upgrades and revisions to Mac OS, and a new major release would mean a copy of Mac OS X that was released last and the copy had made major revisions to that version of Mac OS.
(14 replies) #7 thealexweb on 04 Feb 2009 - 21:16
But what new features are there?
#7.1 KeR on 04 Feb 2009 - 21:50
thealexweb said,
But what new features are there?



Almost every single piece of code in the OS has been changed, its a more drastic update than any previous OS X upgrade. So you may not see much UI differences but under the hood everything changes.
#7.2 thealexweb on 04 Feb 2009 - 22:07
KeR said,
Almost every single piece of code in the OS has been changed, its a more drastic update than any previous OS X upgrade. So you may not see much UI differences but under the hood everything changes.


That's all well and good but 90% of users don't care about x64 bit kernels etc. What new FEATURES are there?
#7.3 Jugalator on 04 Feb 2009 - 22:18
thealexweb said,
But what new features are there?

The main differences are said to be major speed improvements this time around, part from making better use of the 64-bit architecture, and part from making use of multiple cores better. In other words, not a flashy transparent 3D box to play with, but more "invisible" stuff. I actually find it nice to know Apple has the confidence to at all focus on such work for a release. Too many companies these days fall victim to feature creep and forget about the rest.

On the other hand, I'm sure Apple has a few tricks up their sleeve, as for unannounced features. But they've already told features in the sense of "new toys" won't be the focus this time around. At the same time, this is under-the-hood-changes on a scale that would far exceed those from a "service release".
#7.4 Electric Bolt on 04 Feb 2009 - 22:21
Exchange Support, Several apps including Finder rewritten in Cocoa, and an extremely big jump in speed and stability.

If they are replacing Aqua with a new UI similar to iTunes, that would be the major feature since it changes the Mac OS X experience completely.
#7.5 Jugalator on 04 Feb 2009 - 22:21
thealexweb said,
That's all well and good but 90% of users don't care about x64 bit kernels etc. What new FEATURES are there?

A few things rumored are integrated Exchange 2007 support, QuickTime X, Safari 4 with a massive speed boost according to preliminary benchamarks, and a new Finder.
#7.6 LTD on 04 Feb 2009 - 22:22
thealexweb said,
That's all well and good but 90% of users don't care about x64 bit kernels etc. What new FEATURES are there?



Here are the major ones:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/snowleopard/

There has also been talk of UI updates, we'll be getting a rewritten Finder as well, and the OS will be substantially leaner. And there could be other goodies from now until its release.
#7.7 wookietv on 04 Feb 2009 - 22:36
LTD said,
Here are the major ones:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/snowleopard/

There has also been talk of UI updates, we'll be getting a rewritten Finder as well, and the OS will be substantially leaner. And there could be other goodies from now until its release.


Reading that page, that to me equates to going from XP SP1 to SP2... how everyone thought it just felt like a more complete and stable o.s. after SP2. In consumer's eyes, a new o.s. infers new features and methods to make their lives easier and more efficient. not things like "theoretical" memory sizes and squeezing the last drop of power from multicores.

here's a copy and paste from MS' site about what SP2 did:
"The technologies include network protection, memory protection, safer e-mail handling, more secure browsing, and improved computer maintenance."

in other words, more "under the hood" tweaking and restructuring. which like i said, that's what snow leopard, to me, sounds like.
#7.8 LTD on 04 Feb 2009 - 23:20
wookietv said,
LTD said,
Here are the major ones:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/snowleopard/

There has also been talk of UI updates, we'll be getting a rewritten Finder as well, and the OS will be substantially leaner. And there could be other goodies from now until its release.


Reading that page, that to me equates to going from XP SP1 to SP2... how everyone thought it just felt like a more complete and stable o.s. after SP2. In consumer's eyes, a new o.s. infers new features and methods to make their lives easier and more efficient. not things like "theoretical" memory sizes and squeezing the last drop of power from multicores.

here's a copy and paste from MS' site about what SP2 did:
"The technologies include network protection, memory protection, safer e-mail handling, more secure browsing, and improved computer maintenance."

in other words, more "under the hood" tweaking and restructuring. which like i said, that's what snow leopard, to me, sounds like.



Well if you look at it that way, then I suppose the real problem is that Snow Leopard doesn't attempt to fix an essentially broken OS which nobody really wants and that took 5 years and billions to develop, which the manufacturer can't wait to bury.

In that sense Snow Leopard may come off as unexciting. There's just not a whole lot do.
#7.9 RAID 0 on 05 Feb 2009 - 00:49
LTD said,
wookietv said,

LTD said,
Here are the major ones:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/snowleopard/

There has also been talk of UI updates, we'll be getting a rewritten Finder as well, and the OS will be substantially leaner. And there could be other goodies from now until its release.


Reading that page, that to me equates to going from XP SP1 to SP2... how everyone thought it just felt like a more complete and stable o.s. after SP2. In consumer's eyes, a new o.s. infers new features and methods to make their lives easier and more efficient. not things like "theoretical" memory sizes and squeezing the last drop of power from multicores.

here's a copy and paste from MS' site about what SP2 did:
"The technologies include network protection, memory protection, safer e-mail handling, more secure browsing, and improved computer maintenance."

in other words, more "under the hood" tweaking and restructuring. which like i said, that's what snow leopard, to me, sounds like.



Well if you look at it that way, then I suppose the real problem is that Snow Leopard doesn't attempt to fix an essentially broken OS which nobody really wants and that took 5 years and billions to develop, which the manufacturer can't wait to bury. Blah blah blah.

In that sense Snow Leopard may come off as unexciting. There's just not a whole lot do.


And... what is XP's market share compared to OS X? Yeah... a broken OS that is still more popular. Try again!
#7.10 LTD on 05 Feb 2009 - 02:13
RAID 0 said,
LTD said,

wookietv said,

LTD said,
Here are the major ones:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/snowleopard/

There has also been talk of UI updates, we'll be getting a rewritten Finder as well, and the OS will be substantially leaner. And there could be other goodies from now until its release.


Reading that page, that to me equates to going from XP SP1 to SP2... how everyone thought it just felt like a more complete and stable o.s. after SP2. In consumer's eyes, a new o.s. infers new features and methods to make their lives easier and more efficient. not things like "theoretical" memory sizes and squeezing the last drop of power from multicores.

here's a copy and paste from MS' site about what SP2 did:
"The technologies include network protection, memory protection, safer e-mail handling, more secure browsing, and improved computer maintenance."

in other words, more "under the hood" tweaking and restructuring. which like i said, that's what snow leopard, to me, sounds like.



Well if you look at it that way, then I suppose the real problem is that Snow Leopard doesn't attempt to fix an essentially broken OS which nobody really wants and that took 5 years and billions to develop, which the manufacturer can't wait to bury. Blah blah blah.

In that sense Snow Leopard may come off as unexciting. There's just not a whole lot do.


And... what is XP's market share compared to OS X? Yeah... a broken OS that is still more popular. Try again!


I was referring to Vista.
#7.11 RAID 0 on 05 Feb 2009 - 02:46
LTD said,
RAID 0 said,

LTD said,

wookietv said,

LTD said,
Here are the major ones:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/snowleopard/

There has also been talk of UI updates, we'll be getting a rewritten Finder as well, and the OS will be substantially leaner. And there could be other goodies from now until its release.


Reading that page, that to me equates to going from XP SP1 to SP2... how everyone thought it just felt like a more complete and stable o.s. after SP2. In consumer's eyes, a new o.s. infers new features and methods to make their lives easier and more efficient. not things like "theoretical" memory sizes and squeezing the last drop of power from multicores.

here's a copy and paste from MS' site about what SP2 did:
"The technologies include network protection, memory protection, safer e-mail handling, more secure browsing, and improved computer maintenance."

in other words, more "under the hood" tweaking and restructuring. which like i said, that's what snow leopard, to me, sounds like.



Well if you look at it that way, then I suppose the real problem is that Snow Leopard doesn't attempt to fix an essentially broken OS which nobody really wants and that took 5 years and billions to develop, which the manufacturer can't wait to bury. Blah blah blah.

In that sense Snow Leopard may come off as unexciting. There's just not a whole lot do.


And... what is XP's market share compared to OS X? Yeah... a broken OS that is still more popular. Try again!


I was referring to Vista.



...and Vista... has more market share than OS X. :-P
#7.12 virtorio on 05 Feb 2009 - 02:48
LTD said,
RAID 0 said,

LTD said,

wookietv said,

LTD said,
Here are the major ones:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/snowleopard/

There has also been talk of UI updates, we'll be getting a rewritten Finder as well, and the OS will be substantially leaner. And there could be other goodies from now until its release.


Reading that page, that to me equates to going from XP SP1 to SP2... how everyone thought it just felt like a more complete and stable o.s. after SP2. In consumer's eyes, a new o.s. infers new features and methods to make their lives easier and more efficient. not things like "theoretical" memory sizes and squeezing the last drop of power from multicores.

here's a copy and paste from MS' site about what SP2 did:
"The technologies include network protection, memory protection, safer e-mail handling, more secure browsing, and improved computer maintenance."

in other words, more "under the hood" tweaking and restructuring. which like i said, that's what snow leopard, to me, sounds like.



Well if you look at it that way, then I suppose the real problem is that Snow Leopard doesn't attempt to fix an essentially broken OS which nobody really wants and that took 5 years and billions to develop, which the manufacturer can't wait to bury. Blah blah blah.

In that sense Snow Leopard may come off as unexciting. There's just not a whole lot do.


And... what is XP's market share compared to OS X? Yeah... a broken OS that is still more popular. Try again!


I was referring to Vista.

Vista isn't broken.
#7.13 JonathanMarston on 05 Feb 2009 - 15:34
LTD said,
Well if you look at it that way, then I suppose the real problem is that Snow Leopard doesn't attempt to fix an essentially broken OS which nobody really wants and that took 5 years and billions to develop, which the manufacturer can't wait to bury.


Wow - what a bunch of crap. Please tell me how Vista is "essentially broken" and how "nobody" really wants it. Do you actually use Vista, or are you basing your opinions on the "I'm a Mac" commercials?

I use Vista at work and at home and I love it. Even my mom (who only really started using computers in the last 5 years) uses Vista at her job, and she recently told me (with no prompting - she brought it up) that she didn't understand what all the fuss was about Vista. Her exact words were "we haven't had any problems."

Vista works great, and allows me to do more than any OS Apple has put out.
#7.14 freeeekyyy on 05 Feb 2009 - 20:18
thealexweb said,
That's all well and good but 90% of users don't care about x64 bit kernels etc. What new FEATURES are there?


Maybe you don't realize this but the Mac OS is an Operating System. The under-the-hood changed are the most important you can make. Based on your logic, people shouldn't care about a car with a better engine unless it has a better looking heat shield on top. Because appearances are more important than anything else, right?
(3 replies) #8 Vakerorokero on 04 Feb 2009 - 22:04
Apple tends to make changes to how the OS works. Windows features mostly cosmetic upgrades, that's why Windows 7 seems so fast, it finally changes stuff that didn't work on Vista.

I think Snow Leopard is optimization for running on smaller computers and probably will be optimized for a netbook/table pc.
#8.1 Digitalfox on 04 Feb 2009 - 22:43
Let's put it the right way..

Vakerorokero said,
Microsoft tends to make changes to how the OS works. Apple features mostly cosmetic upgrades, that's why Snow Leopard seems so fast, it finally changes stuff that work on Leopard.

I think Windows 7 is optimization for running on smaller computers and probably will be optimized for a netbook/table pc.

#8.2 +Kirkburn on 04 Feb 2009 - 22:57
How about this: you're both right.

Both companies do both things.
#8.3 mmck on 05 Feb 2009 - 01:07
I thought the same, I was told by Mac addicts there wasn't a single difference between my install of Windows BOB and Vista, and instead I should use OSX.

But I actually tried Vista, and ohh would you look at that, they didn't have a clue what they were talking about.
(5 replies) #9 mmck on 05 Feb 2009 - 01:03
I still think "Snow Leopard" is funny... rarely seen and almost extinct I want them to start naming them after farmyard animals - so named because they are heavily consumed
#9.1 virtorio on 05 Feb 2009 - 04:11
mmck said,
I still think "Snow Leopard" is funny... rarely seen and almost extinct I want them to start naming them after farmyard animals - so named because they are heavily consumed

OS X Dog and OS X Pig doesn't quite ring the same.
#9.2 bobbit on 05 Feb 2009 - 11:15
OS X Woof and OS X Oink, on the other hand...
#9.3 mmck on 05 Feb 2009 - 12:21
I like OS X Moo Cow
#9.4 bobbit on 05 Feb 2009 - 12:36
Or OX X Bawk Bawk Boom
#9.5 JonathanMarston on 05 Feb 2009 - 15:36
I'm just wondering when they'll get to "OS X Liger"
#10 SH3K0 on 05 Feb 2009 - 09:25
Windows 7 all the way!

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