No Ultimate Extras for Windows 7

Windows Vista Ultimate had an interesting feature touted by Microsoft before it's release, named Extras. This was intended to be an added extra for the paying the hefty price of Ultimate, to give some bonuses to those who paid for it. Unfortunately, Microsoft didn't plan it very well, and included very few with in the release of Vista Ultimate. This led Microsoft to publicy apologizing over the matter, and to this day not a great number have been released.

This led people to wonder about Windows 7 Ultimate. Would it feature Extras, or would Microsoft not worry about them this time around? As Ars Technica reports, Microsoft has indeed chosen not to include Extras in the upcoming release of Windows 7.

A quote from Microsoft states, "Our new approach to planning and building Windows doesn't have the capacity to continue to deliver features outside the regular release cycle. While our core development team is focused on building the next release, our sustained engineering team is focused on updates to existing features. As a result we don't plan to create Ultimate Extras."

This may be because the release of Windows 7 Ultimate is not advertised as much as Windows Vista Ultimate, with it only being offered on high-end OEM computers, and during promo periods. Also, it may be because people mainly decided to buy Vista Ultimate for it's other features; not the Extras.

What do you think? Is it a wise move for Microsoft to not include Extras, or would they still be nice to have at some point?

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I'm surprised someone hasn't (at least that I know of) filed a class action lawsuit in regards to this.

The fact that Microsoft never really delivered on their promise...

I'm not surprised, anyone suing wouldn't have a leg to stand on. My response is predicated on the assumption that you believe that there are grounds for litigation. My apologies if you are merely commenting on the realities of our judicial system. :)

MS never said what the extras would be or how many of them there would be.

There were extras released and they weren't bad, not everyone is going to appreciate eye candy and games.

The fault, if we are assigning any, lies with those that are upset as they made their purchasing decision on a product feature that had no concrete definition and unfounded expectations (as far as I know) of receiving more extras than were released.

My question to those who fall into this category is:

What extras were you expecting and what about the product description led you to that expectation?

If you have something from a ms blog, product advert, conference or whatever that substantiates your expectation please share.

I don't know. I did like dreamscene a lot...the other extras were pretty bleh. I know there is a hack to get Dreamscene working in 7 Beta 1...hopefully it will work on the final release as well.

NoooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Err.... well on second thought never really understood the whole extras thing.

It was MS MBAs going bat**** crazy with Marketing 101 "tiering". Dumbest thing EVER for a software company that should just be shipping one desktop client version of the OS to their end users.

The hard costs for MS once the OS is coded is in updates/patches and TECH SUPPORT. Having multiple, overlapping versions of Vista surely cost MS a fortune in hard costs for what amount to very little "Ultimate Extras" sell-through.

What an ASININE decision that was, on every level.

do u really think the enterprise version will have MCE and mediaplayer preinstalled? dont believe everything in the internet ya know!

qwertz123 said,
do u really think the enterprise version will have MCE and mediaplayer preinstalled? dont believe everything in the internet ya know!

I didn't say it did. All I said was Windows 7 ultimate is just a single license enterprise edition. That is all it is.

Each higher end version of 7 has all the features of the subset version plus some.

Why wouldn't you have MCE or media player on a business OS?! While MCE wouldn't likely have a hardware TV tuner to work with it is also a very user-friendly media player which will be VERY tasty when tied to the Home Groups library support.

Even office PCs do more than spreadsheets these days...honestly.

excalpius said,
Why wouldn't you have MCE or media player on a business OS?! While MCE wouldn't likely have a hardware TV tuner to work with it is also a very user-friendly media player which will be VERY tasty when tied to the Home Groups library support.

Even office PCs do more than spreadsheets these days...honestly.


vista business right now doesn't have MCE or media player, and professional xp before that didn't have MCE, so this isn't exactly a departure by microsoft.

Vista business right now has Media Player, unless you have Vista Business N. After all, it's useful for corporate webcasts and that sort of thing.

They should just go back to the old Plus! Packs. Everyone with that OS can get one if they want it, and there's no alienating other users.

I still wish they'd allow us to have DreamScene, extra language packs, GroupShot, and all that stuff anyway.

But will there be any extras for all versions? I mean, I love Dreamscreen... I could care less if Home Premium users get it along with my Ultimate copy I have for other reasons, but hope those features aren't gone. MS spent a TON of time coding Dreamscreen.

Back in the good old days, I bought gasolene at the station that offered Green Stamps. I saved the stamps until I had enough to redeem them for a toaster. I was an idiot then. Buy gasolene from the station that sells the best product at the lowest price. You are an idiot if you buy a computer because you thing that someday they will give you a free toaster.

mocax said,
so... what's in Windows 7 Ultimate that makes it stand out from the rest?

besides the price tag, that is.


VHD boot support, applocker as well the advanced remotecontrol features. but like the mpeg2 decode support in vista ultimate you'll have alot more features in the final version, just uncalled until now.

This is a good move. Ultimate Extras on Vista was a farse at best and MS got a hell of a lot of flak over it and not to mention the Windows team will be busy with Win8 which is due 3 years after 7.

This is a great move in my opinion.

The focus won't be split between features, security and stability, the latter two of which are the most important to the overall user experience. Don't take that the wrong way; I'm not saying features are a bad thing. I'm simply reminding people of the fact that if you are constantly getting infected by malware, the features are then useless because it would take so long to run them or because they are interrupted by annoying pop-ups (anybody ever had a pop-up interrupt a full-screen DirectX/OpenGL game? It's extremely annoying). Of course, if the system keeps crashing for some reason, the features are rather useless as well because you can't enjoy them for long.

Extras are useful...when the system works. For many, Vista worked well. However, that wasn't/isn't the case for a lot of users, resulting in upgrades/downgrades (take your pick) to XP. Many Windows 7 beta users have already noted that it is faster than Vista (maybe not/maybe faster than XP, depending on the configurations and the applications used). Sure, it is also lighter-weight because it isn't feature-complete, but I wouldn't really expect it to get too much heavier.

Thumbs up, Microsoft, for doing it right this time.

God, in retrospect Extras were a retarded idea. Microsoft pretty much suffocated this ****** child before picking up and dropping it a couple of times. For the cost of Ultimate I sure as hell expected more from Extras than what I received: some crappy video wallpaper that crashed my system, hoaky games, and support for languages I don't speak (it still isn't clear to me why these are "Extras" ).

Microsoft, I'll pay you an "extra" $50 if you'll just let me reinstall my god damn OS without having to call you up and ask for your freaking permission first, like a toddler asking his parents permission to watch television. I SHOULD NOT have to phone you because I had the misfortune of replacing my motherboard. I should NOT have to phone you or buy ANOTHER copy of your operating system when upgrading my computer. And I sure as hell should not have to pay you to provide additional broken functionality to what is already the most expensive desktop OS on the planet.

After the fiasco that was Vista I have zero intention of giving Microsoft another dime of my money because they can't seem to provide a consistent experience on their desktop with minimal frustration. There should be just ONE version of Windows 7 and we should be free to install it as many damn times as we please!

Well, as a Linux user, I was tempted to turn this into a "Hey! This is EXACTLY why you should use Linux!" post, but obviously that would include a LOT of bias.

Simply put, I primarily use Linux because of these issues. I use XP when I don't use Linux though. I gave my copy of Vista Home Premium to a friend (yes, "gave" and not "sold") because it simply refused to run quickly enough...and that was without Windows Aero going. Now Compiz-Fusion in Linux on the other hand... Can you say "zoom"? :P

Windows 7 looks promising. The public beta runs reasonably quickly on my system, and I don't mind the fact that there are a number of different flavors. Different ones have different purposes, and Linux and OS X are no different (you wouldn't pick up OS X Server when you only want to play games, surf the Web, etc., right?)

Bottom line - Windows should be OK once Vista is forgotten (ME is in the back of many people's minds, and that is where it will stay hopefully)...assuming Microsoft does things "right" from this point forward.

Both of these comment by +Vlad and rpgfan hit the nail on the head, and hit it hard!!

Think I'm about to try the beta copy of Windows 7 that I downloaded a couple weeks ago on this computer. Can't be as bad as Vista, and from what I've been reading, most people agree.

Upon second thought, no I won't install Windows 7 as the POS iso I burned to disc won't even boot!! Another fine POS from MS!! Nothing shows up under properties or exploring the disc. I KNOW for a fact I burned it properly. I've burned way to many iso's and stuff to have not done it correctly, so I don't want to hear any guff from amyone! It just plain and simply is a POS!!

Looks like I may have yet another reason to stay a Windows XP/Linux user (which I KNEW was the better thing to do anyway. Thank you Lord for not letting me install this stupid thing!).

Yeah, that happened to me, cork. It was just a bum disc, and the next one worked fine. No need to bust out the exclamation key. :-)

I've never had to phone microsoft. I have upgrade my hardware too without issue. And if you have a retail copy you would never have to call them up no matter what you upgrade.
However if you have an OEM copy it is tied to a single computer and cannot be transfered. And as such they lock it to the motherboard. But then we all know this. However Microsoft is still letting people swap out dead motherboards and giving them new keys anyways. So good for microsoft.

Cork - you clearly burned the iso wrong. The vast majority of people don't have this problem. If the iso was corrupt we'd all be having this issue. So likely your download got corrupted or you simply burned it wrong.

Rpgfan,

You saved $100 and lost the ability to play any games as well as run ALL of the world's professional grade software. I do more than just share files, compile code, and web browse, so I don't see any value whatsoever in saving a measly $100 by switching to a Shareware hobbyist OS.

I'm glad it works for you, but Linux is not the answer to 99.99% of the modern computer user's needs.

cork1958 said,
Upon second thought, no I won't install Windows 7 as the POS iso I burned to disc won't even boot!! Another fine POS from MS!! Nothing shows up under properties or exploring the disc. I KNOW for a fact I burned it properly. I've burned way to many iso's and stuff to have not done it correctly, so I don't want to hear any guff from amyone! It just plain and simply is a POS!!

I normally don't use this acronym, but:

PROBLEM EXISTS BETWEEN KEYBOARD AND CHAIR

How convienent to run off your mouth on how POS an OS is while shifting blame away from either burning the disc at too fast of a speed, using poor quality media or burner, the wrong burning software, etc.

cork1958 said,
Upon second thought, no I won't install Windows 7 as the POS iso I burned to disc won't even boot!! Another fine POS from MS!! Nothing shows up under properties or exploring the disc. I KNOW for a fact I burned it properly. I've burned way to many iso's and stuff to have not done it correctly, so I don't want to hear any guff from amyone! It just plain and simply is a POS!!


What an unintelligent rant. Do you not THINK maybe the problem is with YOU or your HARDWARE or MEDIA? Do you honestly think MS would make an OS ISO available that simply doesn't work and not fix it? Do you know of anyone else having this problem? Did you do a CRC check after you downloaded the ISO? Have you tried different media, or different software or different speeds to burn the ISO?

THINK!

archer75 said,
I've never had to phone microsoft. I have upgrade my hardware too without issue. And if you have a retail copy you would never have to call them up no matter what you upgrade.
However if you have an OEM copy it is tied to a single computer and cannot be transfered. And as such they lock it to the motherboard. But then we all know this. However Microsoft is still letting people swap out dead motherboards and giving them new keys anyways. So good for microsoft.

Cork - you clearly burned the iso wrong. The vast majority of people don't have this problem. If the iso was corrupt we'd all be having this issue. So likely your download got corrupted or you simply burned it wrong.

I have a legit copy of Vista. I bought it myself at Future Shop.

Had to change my mobo last year and had to call MS. Went fine guy who barely spoke english asked me my serial and voilà.

Yeah they should give us vista ultimate users windows 7 premium for free....

Doesn't matter anymore as I'm switching to a mac.

bob_c_b said,
You'll be back once the newness wears off.

That's what I thought when I bought my first Mac almost eight years ago. Guess what? I still haven't switched back to Windows.

.Reo said,
That's what I thought when I bought my first Mac almost eight years ago. Guess what? I still haven't switched back to Windows. ;)

And this is relevant how?

.Reo said,
That's what I thought when I bought my first Mac almost eight years ago. Guess what? I still haven't switched back to Windows. ;)

I learned on Mac's as a kid, switched to PC's later on, tried the Mac switch last year, and I find myself on Windows again.

MacOS was decent, but I can't take OS X seriously.

^ best comment so far. The price of an OS upgrade is chump change compared to the nearly +100% Mac tax. Let alone the fact that you lose the ability to play all games or use most of the major professional software packages in every fields. And even the ones that are supported for Mac also come with the "this user is too stupid to know better" Mac tax. 8P

When you switch be sure to ask Apple to give you every new OS for free, since that was your "logic" for switching from Windows.

Let us know how they respond to your demands.

Agreed!! A nice surprise iso and product key popping up in Windows Update would make me happy. Prob not gonna happen as the logistics of tracking everything would be difficult. $79 upgrade just for us legit Ultimate users would be a redeeming move however. I just want to boot from a VHD -- pure candy.

Yes, anyone who paid for the Ultimate version of Vista was promised a ton of hooey. A free or very inexpensive in-place upgrade to Windows 7 Ultimate would probably go a long way to staving off any potential class action suit. Especially since it's pretty clear that all those promises of new Extras "coming soon" for the last 12 months were just marketing spin and outright lies.

rakeshishere said,
NOooooo......... :(

I'll be more happy if Windows 7 is given as an Ultimate Extra for Vista Ultimate Edition :D

Seriously people who expected MS to release goodies for Ultimate should blame themselves only.

I remember when i got XP there was a link to a web page to get more themes. The web page stated the more themes would be coming soon. No theme appeared and after a while the page was replaced by a link to MS Plus! home page.

MS makes good product but MS is still and will always be MS. Don't expect them to release something if they don't have too. Even if they promised it.

The lack of gadgets for Vista and Ultimate goodies failure should not be a surprise to anyone. It was written in the sky.