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James7   on 27 February 2009 - 21:16 · 85 comments & 13568 views

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Hypebot reports that the RIAA is in the midst of laying off a significant portion of their staff. They quote one anonymous source as saying, "It is about 90-100+ people across the US and global offices--anti-piracy, coordinated IFPI/BPI etc--trust me it's a bloodbath."

The same source claims the RIAA will make an official announcement next week and goes on to state that the RIAA will be uniting with the BPI (the British Phonographic Industry--the British version of the RIAA) and the IFPI (the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry--the body involved in the current Pirate Bay trial now taking place in Sweden and being followed, among other places, here at Neowin).

Digital Music News claims the number of RIAA staff being let go is more in the range of 30. Even though the RIAA has not released the exact number, RIAA representative Cara Duckworth said, "I can confirm there were layoffs. As you can imagine, the music community is not immune from the impact of these tough economic times."

Techdirt speculates that it will not be long before we hear that the staff cuts were due to file-sharing. But, they write, "The real issue is that the RIAA has basically managed to run one of the dumbest, most self-defeating strategies over the last decade. Rather than helping major record labels adjust to the changing market, it continually, repeatedly and publicly destroyed its own reputation and the reputation of the labels--each time shrinking their potential market by blaming the very people they should have been working to turn into customers."

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(6 replies) #1 Marshalus on 27 Feb 2009 - 21:25
It sucks for any person to lose a job, but IMO the people who work for the RIAA are not human. I wish the whole thing would just get shutdown.
#1.1 +dead.cell on 27 Feb 2009 - 21:26
Whoever they got working against TPB should probably be let go if they have any intention of winning...
#1.2 PatrynXX on 28 Feb 2009 - 00:51
dead.cell said,
Whoever they got working against TPB should probably be let go if they have any intention of winning...


no definately not human. like the bad company in Max Payne. nothing short of organized crime.
#1.3 excalpius on 28 Feb 2009 - 01:21
This couldn't have happened to a nicer group of people. /sarcasm
#1.4 Vakerorokero on 28 Feb 2009 - 01:28
"As you can imagine, the music community is not immune from the impact of these tough economic times."

So they have been doing business as usual all this time? weren't they struggling already due to piracy? freeking amazing.

#1.5 Lord Ba'al on 28 Feb 2009 - 02:12
I'd even say with the methods they're generally using, there's next to no difference from other mafia-like organisations.
For e.g., these mass mailings of threatened law suits to individuals are really no different than the extortion of money for "protection" done by mafia-like organisations.

As such I can only say, "Good riddance!"
The less of them there are, the better.
#1.6 necroxd on 01 Mar 2009 - 17:52
I'm with deadcell. Going after the Pirate bay was the stupidest mistake ever.
(13 replies) #2 smooth_criminal1990 on 27 Feb 2009 - 21:29
Tough economic times, eh? Fail.

And for some reason, I always seem to read phonographic as pornographic...maybe that's just me
#2.1 TYT on 27 Feb 2009 - 21:34
smooth_criminal1990 said,
And for some reason, I always seem to read phonographic as pornographic...maybe that's just me



Not just you.
#2.2 mollick2 on 27 Feb 2009 - 21:45
i did it too.
#2.3 drytoast on 27 Feb 2009 - 21:53
+1
#2.4 Dummy1234 on 27 Feb 2009 - 22:03
+1 here
#2.5 Marshalus on 27 Feb 2009 - 22:41
When I was approving the story I wen't "WHAT!?" ... so yeah, me too.
#2.6 Cøbra on 27 Feb 2009 - 22:56
You wen't ?
#2.7 nonick on 27 Feb 2009 - 23:47
lol, at first and last comment.
#2.8 Krome on 27 Feb 2009 - 23:50
lol I been reading that as "pornographic" as well lol
#2.9 michael.dobrofsky on 28 Feb 2009 - 00:26
You dirty people. All of you
#2.10 spsf on 28 Feb 2009 - 00:45
+1! LOL!
#2.11 Electric Bolt on 28 Feb 2009 - 00:56
+1! That's hillarious we all thought that!
#2.12 dagrimdialer619 on 28 Feb 2009 - 06:46
+1 lol... I did this too
#2.13 Glendi on 28 Feb 2009 - 09:42
+1 lol me as well
(1 reply) #3 Popcorned1 on 27 Feb 2009 - 21:34
the RIAA will be uniting with the BPI (the British Phonographic Industry)


Oh goodie, just what Britain needs ...
#3.1 McDave on 28 Feb 2009 - 06:45
Everyone is like MPAA are evil and we hope they die but hardly no one commented on the really bad news.

The Anti-Anti-Copywrite factions are joining togeather.
(2 replies) #4 themailnurse on 27 Feb 2009 - 21:39
sucks people have to lose jobs.
#4.1 limok on 27 Feb 2009 - 21:47
Not if they working for a corrupt vile criminal organisation
#4.2 ajua on 28 Feb 2009 - 01:15
Is these times, a job is a job...Don't blame the workers, blame the heads of the organization.
(1 reply) #5 afusion on 27 Feb 2009 - 21:46
I don't feel sorry for them

They've been a blight against humanity.
#5.1 Slugbait on 27 Feb 2009 - 22:21
I'm willing to bet that the blight people are still employed and still in charge, while those let go were just the minions who carried out the responsibilities in their job descriptions...like secretary, accountant, general administrator, etc.
#6 WAR-DOG on 27 Feb 2009 - 22:18
atleast we will now know more from the inside of those stupid companies, the former workers will gladly report how it was to work for those employees. It's going to be fun reading.
Anyways, don't feel a pitty sorry about them losing those imaginary jobs
(2 replies) #7 cycro on 27 Feb 2009 - 22:24
Now they'll blame piracy for having to lay off staff due to a decrease in profits.
#7.1 C_Guy on 27 Feb 2009 - 22:51
Yes but fortunately piracy is not a scapegoat.
#7.2 miguel_montes on 27 Feb 2009 - 22:57
cycro said,
Now they'll blame piracy for having to lay off staff due to a decrease in profits.


Interesting, I was thinking the same thing
(8 replies) #8 non.sequitur2 on 27 Feb 2009 - 22:46
Now they're aligning with the British Pornographic Industry to go after illegal porn movies too! Those blood sucking, heartless *******, where does it end!?! Unbelievable!!
#8.1 C_Guy on 27 Feb 2009 - 22:52
It ends when people get over their entitlement attitude and stop stealing!
#8.2 non.sequitur2 on 27 Feb 2009 - 22:53
Ok Mr. "Holier than thou". You are not God, and therefore are not without shame. Remember that.
#8.3 themailnurse on 27 Feb 2009 - 22:56
non.sequitur2 said,
Ok Mr. "Holier than thou". You are not God, and therefore are not without shame. Remember that.


Way to not answer against his argument! Don't you love ad hominem attacks because they lack a good argument?
#8.4 Eis on 28 Feb 2009 - 00:04
People will, for very good reasons, do what is convenient and cheaper for them at any certain time. Faced with a decision to either waste(I say waste, because when you can get something for free, it is a waste to buy it) money or save money, most people will choose to save money. Does this mean they are destroying peoples lives? No. These people who worked for the RIAA are intelligent human beings, and I have no doubt they will find jobs elsewhere and probably already have enough benefits to survive the holocaust.

No what you're saying, and what non.sequitur I think was implying, is that you are pretentious prick. You somehow think you are above the majority, because you make the "right" decision. You know it's the right decision because you know your 10 dollars will succeed in changing the life of some musician you will never meet in your life, right? Of course to say this means that you are assuming that my 10 dollars is worth less to me than it is to the person who I should be giving it to. Right? I mean you have to be if you believe someone else deserves it.

I've seen a few people use this car metaphor to represent what piracy is like. Something along the lines of "you wouldn't steal a car, why steal things online". Let's actually devote this metaphor to the cause and spruce it up to what piracy is.

Here is this beautiful car that you have seen on TV ads for months now. It's sitting right in front of you and the keys are in the ignition. You know, with 99% certainty, that stealing this car will not result in you getting caught. You know this. Like I said before most people in the entire world would take this opportunity to steal, because it is just such a better option for them that it outweighs the potential bad that they will probably never even see. I have no incentive not to steal this car.

Musicians who were willing to adapt to the new market and new age were able to work around piracy and still make money. All of the success stories normally even end up right here on Neowin, in case you haven't seen them. I am going to continue to support those who evolve, and continue to destroy those who make it so easy to destroy. It's called evolution and Darwinism.

Though I hope you enjoy sitting on your high horse, as I know lots of people on this website probably get a kick out of you.
#8.5 cycro on 28 Feb 2009 - 01:10
Only in this case you wouldn't be stealing the car, but making a perfect 1:1 copy of it with a single mouse click and at no cost at all. On the other hand, the value of the IP involved in the car isn't greater than the cost of actually producing one, as opposed to the case with digital copies. The car metaphor is flawed beyond hope and so is the outdated RIAA business model.
#8.6 Glendi on 28 Feb 2009 - 09:43
lol It's Phonographic, not pornographic
#8.7 non.sequitur2 on 28 Feb 2009 - 20:54
lol @ you for not getting the joke...hello....
#8.8 ElementZero on 28 Feb 2009 - 22:43
C_Guy
It ends when people get over their entitlement attitude and stop stealing!


The irony in your claim is palpable and quite amusing since you fail to recognise it.

Last edited by ElementZero on 28 Feb 2009 - 22:50
(5 replies) #9 C_Guy on 27 Feb 2009 - 22:53
90-100+ people across the US and global offices

Ummmm, since when does that constitute a "bloodbath"?
#9.1 non.sequitur2 on 28 Feb 2009 - 02:36
No kidding huh? Some companies are dropping hundreds of thousands of employees (see Circuit City) and this is a "bloodbath". Cry some more...
#9.2 vetJames7 on 28 Feb 2009 - 02:52
I think it refers to relative numbers. If you've got ten employees and five are sacked, it's a "bloodbath".
#9.3 non.sequitur2 on 28 Feb 2009 - 20:56
Well hopefully by "bloodbath" they mean "then end of the RIAA".
#9.4 Orlando Rays on 28 Feb 2009 - 21:17
non.sequitur2 said,
Well hopefully by "bloodbath" they mean "then end of the RIAA".

Bloodbath relative to the size of the organization.
#9.5 non.sequitur2 on 01 Mar 2009 - 19:26
So what if the company I work for has one employee? Then what? HELLO...
(7 replies) #10 themailnurse on 27 Feb 2009 - 22:56
stop stealing and they will stop. this isn't a communist nation. you want something, you pay for it.
#10.1 ahhell on 27 Feb 2009 - 22:59
Uh...you pay for stuff in a communist nation too.
#10.2 nonick on 27 Feb 2009 - 23:49
themailnurse said,
stop stealing and they will stop. this isn't a communist nation. you want something, you pay for it.


take a chill pill.

if I wanted your crap, I'd buy it.
#10.3 BigCheese on 28 Feb 2009 - 00:56
I'd download it. But then i guess I did download this web page already with your crap in it.
#10.4 excalpius on 28 Feb 2009 - 01:24
Actually, the RIAA/MPAA just keep fighting the same battle with each new media. So, no, they won't stop.

In fact, if they hadn't have squeezed the market into 5 colluding/racketeering studios who don't actually compete with one another in any real sense, just so they can milk every dime they can from consumers while returning less and less and less to the artists, the studios wouldn't find themselves in the situation they are.
#10.5 Ledgem on 28 Feb 2009 - 02:10
excalpius said,
Actually, the RIAA/MPAA just keep fighting the same battle with each new media. So, no, they won't stop.

This is completely true. Anyone who thinks this started with MP3s is dead wrong. The record companies originally took issue with people who made tapes - either copying tapes or copying something from the radio (even though radio quality was horrible and not even the full version of the song, in most cases).

It also extends well beyond unlicensed downloading of MP3s. The RIAA doesn't want you to be able to "format shift." In other words, if you buy a CD and then you want a copy of the song in MP3 format for your computer or your MP3 player, they want you to purchase the song again in MP3 format. (And if they really get their way, you'd have to buy the MP3 twice - once for your computer, if you wanted to listen to it there, and again for your iPod).

Whether or not you agree with the RIAA's concept is not the issue. The issue is that it is clear that the RIAA's decisions are incredibly consumer-unfriendly and maximize sales for the RIAA. Just be glad that people download MP3s illegally so that the organizations are occupied with that, and don't have the time or resources to try and erode the abilities of all of you currently law-abiding people.
#10.6 WAR-DOG on 28 Feb 2009 - 18:53
If they stop stealing they will fire more ppl, cuz there will be nothing to fricking fight for... like copyrights lol
#10.7 ElementZero on 28 Feb 2009 - 22:57
WAR-DOG said,
If they stop stealing they will fire more ppl, cuz there will be nothing to fricking fight for... like copyrights lol


Who's stealing? It's called copyright infringement, or more honestly, sharing. Learn the differences.
(2 replies) #11 RAID 0 on 27 Feb 2009 - 23:09
I don't know about anyone else, but I love seeing the words (or acronym) RIAA and blood-bath together in the same sentence.
#11.1 Murkey on 28 Feb 2009 - 14:30
I'd love it even more if the word "rifle" was in there somewhere...

j/k
#11.2 ElementZero on 28 Feb 2009 - 22:57
I would too, and I'm not kidding.
(1 reply) #12 Fish on 27 Feb 2009 - 23:10
"The real issue is that the RIAA has basically managed to run one of the dumbest, most self-defeating strategies over the last decade. Rather than helping major record labels adjust to the changing market, it continually, repeatedly and publicly destroyed its own reputation and the reputation of the labels--each time shrinking their potential market by blaming the very people they should have been working to turn into customers."

This. In a nutshell.

They've had 10+ years to come up with a strategy. They didn't.
#12.1 Ledgem on 28 Feb 2009 - 02:11
It's worse than that, actually: other people practically came up with the strategy for them. All they had to do was figure out how to link it to a payment processor. They couldn't even do that, but Apple did it for them with great success. Yet despite that they seem to fight with Apple rather frequently and threaten to pull their wares from the iTunes Music Store... it's really amazing how some of the rich upper management managed to get to where they are, and even more amazing that they're able to stay there.
(1 reply) #13 Catweasel on 28 Feb 2009 - 00:42
The RIAA should be disbanded altogether; it's nothing more than a legal mafia.
#13.1 excalpius on 28 Feb 2009 - 01:25
Only broad Internet distribution of digital content will break this mafia.
#14 geekypc on 28 Feb 2009 - 01:22
I didn't know you could get fired from the mob, I thought they just tied some cement blocks to your feet and threw you in the river
#15 gadean on 28 Feb 2009 - 02:11
Haha. Karma bit them back.. finally!
(2 replies) #16 RPDL on 28 Feb 2009 - 02:54
Tough economic times may harm the music industry, but the musicians will keep playing tunes and the poets will keep writing no matter. That's why we don't need the RIAA and the industry.
#16.1 Catweasel on 28 Feb 2009 - 04:31
That means real musicians too, and not just the pretty pop princess or hip hop boys of the month that some company threw together.
#16.2 Dipso on 28 Feb 2009 - 05:43
To quote my self from another thread:

All dinosaurs must die.
Music, art, film, will never die. The industry as we know it today (or more like yesterday) will. But the arts will prevail. This war is not mainly fought by the artists, but by their "pimps"...

For a time, we might have to suffer a loss in quality in the fields that are hit by piracy. But the marked for these products is still there, and where there is a market, there is profit to be made. Its just the structure that has to change
(1 reply) #17 Airlink on 28 Feb 2009 - 04:31
Die, RIAA, die! Hahahahah.
#17.1 non.sequitur2 on 28 Feb 2009 - 20:55
ya...lol...DIE DIE DIE!!!
#18 siiix on 28 Feb 2009 - 04:38
LOL , maybe now they can get job at the parking enforcement... they will just as much appetiated

they day they all lose they jobs i trow a party
#19 xpablo on 28 Feb 2009 - 08:00
I think the person who said "that anybody who works for the RIAA isn't human"

I quite agree... The RIAA and it's partners are sucessful failures, like getting blood from a stone.
They get what they deserve, I can only hope their lives become a living hell, just like the innocent people they prosicuted.
(1 reply) #20 lexa000 on 28 Feb 2009 - 12:23
So... would they become the British International Foundation of the Phonographic Industry of America? The BIFPIA?
#20.1 Airlink on 28 Feb 2009 - 15:16
No, they'd become the British Overseas Oligarchy Governing Earnings of Recorded Stuff: The BOOGERS!
(1 reply) #21 lylesback2 on 28 Feb 2009 - 18:32
Maybe they will stop suing everyone and let bigons be bigons
#21.1 ElementZero on 28 Feb 2009 - 23:03
Yeah, when hell freezes over.
#22 non.sequitur2 on 28 Feb 2009 - 21:00
LOL @

"As you can imagine, the music community is not immune from the impact of these tough economic times."

Pffft! More like "As you can imagine, the music community is not immune to the BUMBLING INCOMPETENCE AND TOTAL INEFFECTIVENESS THAT WE AT THE RIAA HAVE BEEN DISPLAYING FOR YEARS NOW".

How about that?
(1 reply) #23 toadeater on 28 Feb 2009 - 23:56
They need to take the MPAA and FCC with them.
#23.1 eblkheart on 01 Mar 2009 - 20:54
toadeater said,
They need to take the MPAA and FCC with them.

FCC is a part of the US Government, I don't see that one happening anytime soon
(1 reply) #24 sibot on 01 Mar 2009 - 15:36
100 people get let off and it's a bloodbath? Christ, there are a 1000's of people being laid off on any given day, what kind of bath is that?
#24.1 non.sequitur2 on 01 Mar 2009 - 19:27
I guess that must be a nice warm bubble bath...
(1 reply) #25 soldier1st on 01 Mar 2009 - 16:47
The RIAA are a type of terrorist group that needs to have ALL employees shot or at least find better work.
#25.1 non.sequitur2 on 01 Mar 2009 - 19:27
I liked your first idea better.
(1 reply) #26 joerockhead on 01 Mar 2009 - 19:24
The business model is right in front of them.

Similar situation:

Nintendo is making a killing right now off of releasing emulated old ROMS. This is something that has been on the net for years FOR FREE.
#26.1 non.sequitur2 on 01 Mar 2009 - 19:28
joerockhead said,
The business model is right in front of them.


They don't call it "poor management" for nothing you know.
#27 leesmithg on 02 Mar 2009 - 07:20
I bet they all start sharing their files as a protest.

I can see it now, all those articles about how much shame they feel and for a fee they will snitch on whoever.

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