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AMD to ship 32nm chips in 2010

Sam Symons   on 28 February 2009 - 19:47 · 27 comments & 7583 views

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Information Week is reporting that processor-giant AMD (Advanced Micro Devices) is planning to begin shipping 32nm chips next year, in 2010.

The word comes from AMD's Chief Executive Dirk Meyer, stating that volume production of the chips will begin next year in the fourth quarter. This seems odd, as AMD's rivel Intel is beginning production of 32nm chips this year, again in the fourth quarter, leaving AMD an unfortunate year behind. They will be producing three chips, code named Congo, Nile, and Ontario, which will be a follow-on from their Yukon series, which was aimed at notebooks.

Another interesting point is regarding AMD's acquisition of graphics-producer ATi a while back. Meyer states that, although the buy-out of the GPU maker left AMD in a state of financial woe (2008's Q4 gave AMD a $1.4B loss), he expects it to begin paying off soon, and that owning ATi will give them an advantage in the notebook market. He justifies this by saying while Intel's notebook chips are faster, AMD will come off on top because, when coupled with ATi technology, their computers deliver better graphics and video.

No word yet on what the new AMD processors will be in terms of specifications, but it's still quite a way away, so one can't expect much so far.

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(4 replies) #1 RAID 0 on 28 Feb 2009 - 23:26
AMD needs to jump to 8 core CPUs. That's the only thing I can see helping them.
#1.1 Krome on 01 Mar 2009 - 00:01
agreed
#1.2 yudi_lks on 01 Mar 2009 - 02:07
Krome said,
agreed


Jumping to 8 core without shrinking the transistor size would make the processor size DOUBLED than 4 core CPU.. This simply DOUBLE the price of the chip, at least, not considering lesser yield produced from a bigger processor die size (it's more difficult to produce a large defect free chip).... If everything factors in, AMD can produce 8 core CPU now, but the price would be 3 - 4 times more expensive than quad core..

Would you buy it??
#1.3 Michael Jacob on 01 Mar 2009 - 16:45
that processor will burn.
#1.4 RPDL on 01 Mar 2009 - 17:25
I completely disagree. When you look at the direction CPUs are advancing in general, this is CLEARLY not the way to go. Adding more and more cores is a half-ass improvement since applications need to be made to use them.
#2 afusion on 01 Mar 2009 - 00:01
If they can ship 32nm in 2010 I think they'll be alright.
(1 reply) #3 Kupo-Cheer on 01 Mar 2009 - 00:18
What they need to do, but won't, is to beat Intel to the 32nm punch. Seems to me that the only way AMD can stay afloat is to jump ahead of Intel, not keep playing catchup time after time. We already have a well laid-out timeline of future projects from Intel, so it isn't like what they're doing is a secret. Their 32nm parts are set to come out towards the end of this year, and they already have working, testbed prototypes. AMD has word of mouth. "Oh yeah, we're *totally* doing that. When? Oh, um.... next year." It's not exactly an easy thing to switch manufacturing processes, but it's not like AMD hasn't had the proper warning to get off their asses and stay competitive.

They would also be smart to make a good go at the netbook/low power computing market, coming in with something of an Nvidia Ion platform of their own, since that sector is on the up-and-up given the collapse of the global economy.
#3.1 Beastage on 01 Mar 2009 - 11:43
They can't jump ahead and to be truth they never could, Intel kept selling cheap and inferior pentium Ds etc because they could , because they kept selling them , because they made lots of profit , when AMD started to grab market share... Intel just created a new product from viable old tech.

Intel has a R&D budget that is bigger than AMD entirely, there is really nothing that AMD can do, except grabbing a niche cheap, OEM market.
(1 reply) #4 Baked on 01 Mar 2009 - 00:20
I can see how that puts them a year behind.....Intel hasn't got their 32nm ready.....to busy with the i7's
#4.1 MioTheGreat on 01 Mar 2009 - 23:35
Baked said,
I can see how that puts them a year behind.....Intel hasn't got their 32nm ready.....to busy with the i7's


Westmere (The 32nm shrink of Nehalem, the current i7's) is due this year. If AMD is saying Q4 2010 for 32nm, that puts them about a year behind.
(4 replies) #5 Hak Foo on 01 Mar 2009 - 00:34
Intel seems like they've sort of dropped the ball-- just a little.

There isn't the usual razor-sharp focus. i7 is impressive, but it has that "it might be a near dead-end, like Socket 940 Athlon 64FX parts" vibe. But at the same time, the LGA775 parts are stagnant. If I want a system with an upgrade path, Intel doesn't really have a good answer. Perhaps when i5 comes out, it will solve it, but right now, AMD has a very attractive argument in that the Phenom/Phenom II you buy today, you can yank it out and put in forthcoming AM3 chips tomorrow.
#5.1 Digix on 01 Mar 2009 - 04:37
Hak Foo said,
Intel seems like they've sort of dropped the ball-- just a little.

There isn't the usual razor-sharp focus. i7 is impressive, but it has that "it might be a near dead-end, like Socket 940 Athlon 64FX parts" vibe. But at the same time, the LGA775 parts are stagnant. If I want a system with an upgrade path, Intel doesn't really have a good answer. Perhaps when i5 comes out, it will solve it, but right now, AMD has a very attractive argument in that the Phenom/Phenom II you buy today, you can yank it out and put in forthcoming AM3 chips tomorrow.


Exactly why i stick with them.
#5.2 lostmongoose on 01 Mar 2009 - 09:12
I don't think i5 will fix that mess because i7 and i5, even though based on the same tech, will not be socket compatible. I don't understand why intel is going that route, honestly :/
#5.3 RPDL on 01 Mar 2009 - 17:22
Intel is too busy making netbook processors to have released ANY CPUs in the first half of 2009. It's absurd.
#5.4 Matt on 01 Mar 2009 - 17:32
lostmongoose said,
I don't think i5 will fix that mess because i7 and i5, even though based on the same tech, will not be socket compatible. I don't understand why intel is going that route, honestly :/

only if you bought a mobo with a 790 chipset. thats how i got screwed over from upgrading to the phenom II.
(5 replies) #6 Jeremy Bellefeuille on 01 Mar 2009 - 03:48
Anyone tell me why some of their code names are based off provinces in Canada?
#6.1 DClark on 01 Mar 2009 - 04:16
Jeremy Bellefeuille said,
Anyone tell me why some of their code names are based off provinces in Canada?

I never knew that the Yukon was a province of Canada. I am such an a$$hole.
#6.2 wiak on 01 Mar 2009 - 07:32
Jeremy, meybe they are remebering that ATI aka AMD Canada is based in Canada?
#6.3 basix on 01 Mar 2009 - 08:03
Lake Ontario is a large body of water as is The Nile and The Congo?
While not exactly the answer to the OP, I find it interesting.
#6.4 Antiprophet on 01 Mar 2009 - 08:51
in that case im going to hold out for the AMD Nessie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loch_Ness_Monster
#6.5 Krome on 01 Mar 2009 - 16:48
LOL to the Nessie
(1 reply) #7 ChrisJ1968 on 01 Mar 2009 - 04:03
is this 32nm process going to allow laptops to run them? shouldn't they run cool enough now?

just asking
#7.1 yudi_lks on 01 Mar 2009 - 04:58
Laptop processor usually lags behind.... 32 will probably released for generic, then high performance, before low power version for mobile gadget be released...
(1 reply) #8 hamadauno on 01 Mar 2009 - 07:09
really i love AMD & ATI
#8.1 wiak on 01 Mar 2009 - 07:33
hamadauno said,
really i love AMD & ATI

we all do
#9 wiak on 01 Mar 2009 - 07:53
Intel
Core 2 LGA775 (2006) > i7 LGA1336 (200 > i5 LGA???? (2009)
AMD
Athlon 64 X2 AM2 HT2 DDR2 (2006) > Phenom AM2+ HT3 DDR2 (2007) > Phenom II AM3 HT3 DDR2/DDR3 (2009)

basicly if you got a Phenom II, you can put it into a AM2 Board from 2006, if it has TDP and BIOS support
same is with servers you can soon upgrade from 24core HT2 Socket F chips to 6 core istanbul socket f chips and get like sweet performance without changing anything else
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/16448
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D11uY5dOE2c

and Intels QPI is just a copy of AMD's HyperTransport from 2003
much like EMT64 = AMD64

intel is just 5 years late :p
#10 skynetXrules on 01 Mar 2009 - 09:38
^ intel tried to make similar tech to QPI before Amd created HTT but didnt work as expected and failed.

not mentioning Amd was mostly forced to make there own interface since the mostly ol' FSB belong to intel

and it would be crazy to have different x64 extension or else MS and other companies would have created to edition of there softwares

Vista 64 EMT64 edition
vista 64 AMD64 edition

now can you imagine that!

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